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Huh. I wonder if we're gonna be rivals with Tenten. We beat her academy throwing record with (what she'll call) a cheap trick, and we're the top kunoichi of two successive years.
Seeing Red [Naruto]
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1)Yes.
Because he and his entourage have been at the dubious mercy of a man with a super-Sharingan for at least three years.
You have no idea what contingencies Danzo has set up and running and in who.
And to make things worse, Danzo is a known sealmaster who sticks secrecy seals on people, and I doubt that's the limit of his ability to fuck with people.
That's one of the reasons why Tsunade was actually a good deal for Konoha; her absence for at least a decade meant that both she and her main assistant were clean, and the fact that she was both Senju and a medic made mindfucking her iffy at best.
2) Frankly, yes.
This isn't combat or administration or leadership or strategy, all things Sarutobi excels at.
This is covert ops. Danzo's putative specialty, and something that mind-fuckers have an advantage in.
We already saw him outmaneuver Sarutobi on the Uchiha affair, and he still has ROOT despite it being explicitly disbanded by the Hokage.
Look at Mist.
It took a civil war to dislodge Tobi/Madara's control of Yagura, and Yagura still died for it.
The Uchiha clan already died to avoid a civil war; if you think
3)
I vehemently disagree with everything in your statement, but especially the bolded.
It is not in our best interest to reveal that we have information superiority in a setting where multiple S-class hostiles are both entrenched in the local power structure, and historically willing to do evil shit to their own side for information and power.
It is especially boneheaded to do so when we just came into the knowledge that there are unknown actors moving in the background.
If Sarutobi and the council and pretty much everyone involved was under Danzo's control... why was Tsunade allowed to become Hokage in the first place? Danzo could have taken the position.
Honestly that is something that bothered me in canon. Danzo clearly had no issue with the idea of becoming Hokage since he was willing to mindwhammy the Fire Daimyō to become the Sixth while Tsunade was comatose so why not try for the Fifth?
The most reasonable explanation I can think of is that Danzo realized him becoming Hokage would have been a bad move for Konoha. For all his many many many flaws Danzo still did everything for the sake of Konoha. So I think he realized that a crippled, half blind and one armed as far as everyone knows, old man taking command after a devastating blow* would be seen as a sign of weakness and invite attacks when Konoha could least afford it.
*Konoha had just lost the Third Hokage, a good number of ninja died, the village was heavily damaged, and there was the massive loss of face of being invaded in front of thousands of important clients who came to watch the tournament.
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Yet Danzo made his move for Hokage after Konoha was razed to the ground by Pain. The analysis doesn't seem to match.
There is a key difference there; after the Chunin Exam there were still loyal Sannin who could become Hokage. After Pein's invasion there wasn't any real candidates. As popular and powerful as Naruto was he lacked the diplomatic and political skill, at least from Danzo's perspective, to lead. The same problems applied to Kakashi and Gai. So Danzo stepped in because, in his mind at least, he was the only candidate.
I think it was also partially driven by frustration. For all they clashed he clearly respected and care for Sarutobi and yet, in his mind, Sarutobi's ideals lead to Konoha being invaded not once but twice in just four years. A third Hokage following those ideals would have almost certainly doomed Konoha in his mind.
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Hmm. Naruto's still busy clashing with Mizuki. This makes going on the offensive even more important - if we turtle up (which our skillset isn't all that suited for anyway) there's a real risk of the new arrivals ignoring us, overwhelming Naruto, and then either focusing us down or just leaving with the Nine Tails.
[x] - You have enough chakra to go all out until reinforcements arrive. Use offensive ninjutsu to thin the horde and create a safe area.
Still doesn't really work. If he thought that way, and everyone was under his control, Jiraya would have become Hokage. Or Kakashi. Or Gai.
Actually, is it stated somewhere when he received Senju cells? The eyes we know the timi g of, but I'm not sure about the cells.
frozenchicken
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For those who may not recall, it was actually noted (in the anime at least) that Danzou was considered for the Hokage position after Sarutobi's death but was rejected by the Elder Council as they felt that he would lead Konoha to war. Which, to be fair, was not exactly an inaccurate character assessment. The first thing Danzou did after becoming stand-in 6th Hokage was to start the 5-kage conference to initiate a war. Everybody knows Danzou is a warhawk, and I think his selection in the wake of Pein's destruction of Konoha and not the Sand-Sound Invasion makes sense in light of that.
That said, I do agree with keeping information secret. Danzou can run rings around Sarutobi and it's not because the 3rd is an idiot. He just trusts Danzou. Much like how he trusted Orochimaru until the proof was in his face. And that's not even counting the various Root spies and Orochimaru spies and Sasori-controlled Akatsuki spies, and trusted ninja who are also secretly SIs with their own agendas. The more people with different agendas who get their hands on this information, the less use our 'Mind Beyond' knowledge can be.
...Granted, you could argue that sharing the knowledge makes it useless for everyone, but given that Konoha often only survived due to scraping victories from the jaws of defeat at key points, randomizing our results does not seem preferable. We're just going to have to step up and actually manage this little info-war, rather than dropping the ball like with Mizuki.
That said, I do agree with keeping information secret. Danzou can run rings around Sarutobi and it's not because the 3rd is an idiot. He just trusts Danzou. Much like how he trusted Orochimaru until the proof was in his face. And that's not even counting the various Root spies and Orochimaru spies and Sasori-controlled Akatsuki spies, and trusted ninja who are also secretly SIs with their own agendas. The more people with different agendas who get their hands on this information, the less use our 'Mind Beyond' knowledge can be.
...Granted, you could argue that sharing the knowledge makes it useless for everyone, but given that Konoha often only survived due to scraping victories from the jaws of defeat at key points, randomizing our results does not seem preferable. We're just going to have to step up and actually manage this little info-war, rather than dropping the ball like with Mizuki.
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Funnily enough, I don't think it would be all that many, even as a proportion of all SI's.
Most SI's that (wisely) try and shy away from the plot won't become ninjas at all, certainly not exceptional ones. And most SI's that intentionally try and interact with the deadly, deadly plot are overconfident idiots, like this member of the trenchcoat brigade.
So you're looking at the SI's who either had exceptional amounts of skill and/or drive to begin with, or SI's who've been forced to interact with the plot, like Hisana here. At that point it's a question of numbers - how many SI's are there?
E: Actually, now I'm curious if in this continuity, Kumo's use of Latin Code Names and rapping tradition stem from some long ago SI in that village that brought those things from this world.
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Leingod
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The Navajo code is still a code, though, it's not just guys talking foreign at each other. And anyway Bee's rapping includes plenty of Gratuitous English IIRC.
I'm less concerned about whether Hiruzen can take Danzo in a fight and much more worried that Danzo almost certainly has an exit strategy for when Hiruzen finally gets tired of his sh*t and takes his operation with him; keep in mind he has ties to both Orochimaru and Akatsuki. Such an event will drastically reduce his ability to influence events in Konoha itself, but will also make him a complete rogue element as he schemes for his own way to put things "back on track" as he sees them, i.e. taking control of Konoha.
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IN THE LAND OF SUFFICIENT VELOCITY, TWO HEROINES DUEL FOR THE FRONT PAGE. TENTEN, BLESSED BY THE SUN, STANDS AGAINST NEWCOMER HISANA, A STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND.
TUNE IN NEXT TIME, SAME NINJA CHANNEL SAME NINJA HOUR TO SEE WHO WINS.
[x] - Reinforcements are seconds out, all you have to do is survive. Defensive work until they get here.
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Tenten didn't actually know she was that good at throwing or seals in the Academy. She only got started on that path after her attempts to become Tsunade 2.0 (Taijutsu, Medical Ninjutsu, Alcoholism etc.) were met with miserable failure when she joined Team Gai.
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@Tekomandor
While you're here, can you update the character sheet? I'd like to split my XP on genjutsu the way you suggested.
While you're here, can you update the character sheet? I'd like to split my XP on genjutsu the way you suggested.
Noncanon Omake: Blood drips onto the roots
frozenchicken
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Omake- Blood drips onto the roots.
Shimura Danzou limped wearily into his personal secure meeting room. The meeting had not gone well. It had been a very long time since he had seen Hiruzen so angry at him, though it was not an unexpected reaction to the news of the Uchiha massacre. Only the ample evidence of the upcoming coup had stayed the Hokage's hand from punishing him. Frankly, Danzou felt Hiruzen should have displayed more gratitude at having taken care of the matter for him. Still, even if the Hokage refused to grant him thanks for his efforts, he was still rewarded in other ways.
Inside the room Danzou's right-hand man, Fu Yamanaka, bowed towards him.
"Danzou-sama, the mission has been completed successfully. Posing as ANBU, our operatives have secured the bodies of the Uchiha, and Sharingan extraction efforts are currently underway. An unfortunately high proportion of eyes are unrecoverable due to the rapid spread of Itachi's black fire, however we still expect to recover at least 40% of all Sharingan eyes, minus however many are lost during transplantation."
Danzou smiled at the news. This physical reward was quite wonderful, and a part of him wondered if Tobirama would be pleased to know the Leaf would never need to deal with the fractious Uchiha ever again. Well, except for the sole remaining exception to the purge.
"What is the status of Sasuke Uchiha? Itachi's parting message indicated his sibling's survival and ability to advance in Sharingan capability was a requirement of his silence."
Fu's Tanto-hand tightened reflexively; an unusually potent sign of tension to have shown up past the emotion-deadening training he had undergone.
"Sasuke Uchiha is currently in a genjutsu-induced coma in the secure wing of Konoha Hospital. His condition has been declared stable, and is expected to make an eventual recovery."
Danzou eyed his subordinate closely. He trusted the man, but it always paid to keep in mind the psychological levers present in ones allies. Certainly, Fu still held ties of loyalty to his clan, and might feel uncertainty at the precedent set tonight.
"Did tonight's events leave you uncomfortable, Fu?"
The redhead's brows furrowed momentarily, before he shook his head.
"N-no, Danzou-sama. If you say that this was necessary to prevent Konoha's self-destruction, then it is so. However, there was an unexpected development. There was another survivor. A young bastard girl named 'Hisana', was discovered amid the ruins. She seems to have unlocked the Sharingan following the Uchiha Purge, though as she was not recognised as a member of the clan, she was almost certainly not involved in the planning of the coup. It is unclear at this time as to whether Itachi intentionally left her alive or simply missed her survival in the rubble."
Danzou allowed his smile to fade, replaced by his usual masked expression. This was not expected at all. Especially since...hmm. Though, come to think of it, this could prove a boon. An unexpectedly alive pair of sharingan eyes might prove useful further down the track if the transplantation did not go as expected, or if he felt the need to develop stronger versions of the Sharingan eye. And sometimes the unexpectedness of an outcome was reason enough for keeping that outcome. Better an unseen shuriken than an obvious fireball jutsu. The only question was if the risk was worth the reward...
"Can the girl be recovered or accessed?"
Fu shook his head minutely.
"The girl is also in the secure wing, and is likely to be accompanied by ANBU guard for the forseeable future. "
"...Very well then. Leave the girl be for now. She may be of use to us later. Suppress and downplay knowledge of her survival. Encourage the perception that she is a mere sidenote of no relevance. Sasuke is the true heir of the clan and will draw most of the political attention. So long as this variable remains out of the spotlight, she may be useful to us. If this circumstance changes....we may need to take steps to ensure that others cannot make use of her."
Shimura Danzou limped wearily into his personal secure meeting room. The meeting had not gone well. It had been a very long time since he had seen Hiruzen so angry at him, though it was not an unexpected reaction to the news of the Uchiha massacre. Only the ample evidence of the upcoming coup had stayed the Hokage's hand from punishing him. Frankly, Danzou felt Hiruzen should have displayed more gratitude at having taken care of the matter for him. Still, even if the Hokage refused to grant him thanks for his efforts, he was still rewarded in other ways.
Inside the room Danzou's right-hand man, Fu Yamanaka, bowed towards him.
"Danzou-sama, the mission has been completed successfully. Posing as ANBU, our operatives have secured the bodies of the Uchiha, and Sharingan extraction efforts are currently underway. An unfortunately high proportion of eyes are unrecoverable due to the rapid spread of Itachi's black fire, however we still expect to recover at least 40% of all Sharingan eyes, minus however many are lost during transplantation."
Danzou smiled at the news. This physical reward was quite wonderful, and a part of him wondered if Tobirama would be pleased to know the Leaf would never need to deal with the fractious Uchiha ever again. Well, except for the sole remaining exception to the purge.
"What is the status of Sasuke Uchiha? Itachi's parting message indicated his sibling's survival and ability to advance in Sharingan capability was a requirement of his silence."
Fu's Tanto-hand tightened reflexively; an unusually potent sign of tension to have shown up past the emotion-deadening training he had undergone.
"Sasuke Uchiha is currently in a genjutsu-induced coma in the secure wing of Konoha Hospital. His condition has been declared stable, and is expected to make an eventual recovery."
Danzou eyed his subordinate closely. He trusted the man, but it always paid to keep in mind the psychological levers present in ones allies. Certainly, Fu still held ties of loyalty to his clan, and might feel uncertainty at the precedent set tonight.
"Did tonight's events leave you uncomfortable, Fu?"
The redhead's brows furrowed momentarily, before he shook his head.
"N-no, Danzou-sama. If you say that this was necessary to prevent Konoha's self-destruction, then it is so. However, there was an unexpected development. There was another survivor. A young bastard girl named 'Hisana', was discovered amid the ruins. She seems to have unlocked the Sharingan following the Uchiha Purge, though as she was not recognised as a member of the clan, she was almost certainly not involved in the planning of the coup. It is unclear at this time as to whether Itachi intentionally left her alive or simply missed her survival in the rubble."
Danzou allowed his smile to fade, replaced by his usual masked expression. This was not expected at all. Especially since...hmm. Though, come to think of it, this could prove a boon. An unexpectedly alive pair of sharingan eyes might prove useful further down the track if the transplantation did not go as expected, or if he felt the need to develop stronger versions of the Sharingan eye. And sometimes the unexpectedness of an outcome was reason enough for keeping that outcome. Better an unseen shuriken than an obvious fireball jutsu. The only question was if the risk was worth the reward...
"Can the girl be recovered or accessed?"
Fu shook his head minutely.
"The girl is also in the secure wing, and is likely to be accompanied by ANBU guard for the forseeable future. "
"...Very well then. Leave the girl be for now. She may be of use to us later. Suppress and downplay knowledge of her survival. Encourage the perception that she is a mere sidenote of no relevance. Sasuke is the true heir of the clan and will draw most of the political attention. So long as this variable remains out of the spotlight, she may be useful to us. If this circumstance changes....we may need to take steps to ensure that others cannot make use of her."
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@frozenchicken
Neat omake. Very ominous.
@Tekomandor
While you're updating the character sheet, could you take a look at this?
Why is KMC a higher rank than UCS? If anything, shouldn't it be the other way around, since (0.5 STR + 1 SPD) is more than (0.5 STR + 0.5 SPD)?
Neat omake. Very ominous.
@Tekomandor
While you're updating the character sheet, could you take a look at this?
Why is KMC a higher rank than UCS? If anything, shouldn't it be the other way around, since (0.5 STR + 1 SPD) is more than (0.5 STR + 0.5 SPD)?
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Done, Votes Locked.
Just a mistake on my part, fixed.