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Seeing Red [Naruto]

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[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
Yog said:
Anyway, what occurs to me is that we haven't been taking all that much advantage of our metaknowledge. Yes, sure, we have been training, our strength is improving, we use metaknowledge as motivation and we use some of it to choose what to do and what skills might be relevant later or lead to more powerful abilities.

But we haven't been taking advantage of it in "make things that will make things later easier" kind of way. Like, I don't know, setting up a position in a forest of death that can be defended, or investing in wave economics, or looking for Uzumaki shrine in Konoha, or accumulating water-filled storage seals to deal with Gaara's sand in at least some way.

Basically, we have been preparing in a general way, using metaknowledge as motivation. We haven't been preparing anything for specific events in the future using said knowledge to our advantage.
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The forest of death is a regulated training area. Setting up a bolthole there isn't going to fly. Water wouldn't do shit to Gaara's sand. He can use it while it's soaked in blood, water isn't even going to slow him down.
 
Erebeal said:
The thing is, I don't think he's going to be doing anything today. He did in canon because Naruto provided him with a unique opportunity that he took advantage of. Without that being the case, he's more likely to just be busy with the exams.
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Or because he was running up against a deadline and took advantage of the first gullible patsies he could reach.
In the anime, Mizuki worked for Orochimaru, and was the recipient of a prototype cursed seal.
He was stealing the scroll for Orochimaru.

If successful, he gives Orochimaru a powerup for the Invasion, and possibly kills important allies of ours.
And noone else in the village knows to worry about him being a sleeper agent.
Not to mention that we are passing up intel on early prototypes of the cursed seal, which could help us defend against being implanted with one of Orochimaru's Horcruxes.

Ignoring issues does not make them go away.
We don't even have the excuse that we warned anyone to beware of him.

I frankly worry about him sending Sakura, say, on a "sanctioned mission", murdering her ass when she reports like a dutiful student, and hiding the body.
Depriving us of the services of a potential S-class medic because people do not care enough to take elementary precautions against future shenanigans.
 
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On rasengan training being a chakra control training exercise regiment:
In chapter 314, pages 10 and 11 (I think, there's a weird colored page in the scanslation I used which might or might not count, so it might be 11 and 12), Kakashi says the following:

Just like I said back at the hopsital, we are going to be training to have you develop an ultimate ninjutsu to call your own, a jutsu superior to even rasengan

To do that you'll need to have command of two chakra control techniques "physical and spatial recomposition

Naruto: Physical and spatial... recomposition?

Kakashi: Exactly. Take Chidori. You "physically" recompose your chakra to resemble electricity, then you "spatially" recompose it to discharge, thus determining the strength and scope of the attack

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Kakashi: In that sense you could say that, unlike Chidori, Rasengan is a jutsu relying only on extremely advanced "spatial recombination" since the jutsu compresses chakra by spinning it at violently high speeds it doesn't have any need for "physical recomposition"
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So, yes, I am confident in saying that rasengan training process is, in fact, a spatial recomposition chakra control training exercise that makes the user learn how to compress their chakra, keep said compression stable, and to manipulate chakra in that compressed state in complex manner (rotate it simultaneously at high speeds in multiple directions). Learning rasengan through following the three-stage training process would absolutely result in improved spatial recomposition chakra control. Ie to shape and control chakra.

EDIT: Oh, and further on the subject of rasengan. There is a good point where it integrates into a kenjutsu oriented combat style, a variation which we can plausibly explain developing. Essentially, shield jutsu. Something between a rasengan and kaiten (another known technique similar to rasengan in princple). More of a disk than a sphere that is rasengan, a mass of dense tubulentnly spinning chakra covering our hand. Good for blocking attacks (multiple rotations will throw attacks awat), good for shield bashing, good for explaining how we came to the concept of rasengan-like technique (we wanted to make a shield)
 
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[x][Receptors] - Do use the receptor tagged shuriken. Spelling your name in shuriken after bouncing them off random objects after throwing them backwards is gonna be so cool.

[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone

[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.


We can keep an eye on Mizuki without being overly suspicious. We will be around him for most of the day since he's our teacher.

If he isn't up to anything, great.

If he is up to something, and we could have given some early warning but didn't because we just left it to chance? That's on us.
 
[x][Receptors] - Do use the receptor tagged shuriken. Spelling your name in shuriken after bouncing them off random objects after throwing them backwards is gonna be so cool.

[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone

[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
[x][Receptors] - Do use the receptor tagged shuriken. Spelling your name in shuriken after bouncing them off random objects after throwing them backwards is gonna be so cool.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your chakra storage seal
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.

Our character doesn't seem like she has the ability to spy on an experienced Chunnin anyway, much less the vast canon differences that makes it unlikely to occur..
 
[x][Receptors] - Do use the receptor tagged shuriken. Spelling your name in shuriken after bouncing them off random objects after throwing them backwards is gonna be so cool.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
Crilltic said:
??? Basically everyone we see knows how to Kai by the time of the Invasion except for like, Ino, Chouji and Naruto (and also Lee but Lee's problem is something else). Tenten even tried to use Kai when she was in the IT.
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It's a a joke. Since the only on screen use of Kai I remember from the manga is Sakura doing it while everyone else did it stealthy like. Also I'm probably not remembering, but I don't think Tenten went to IT in this story.

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And I don't remember that being in the manga.
 
[x][Receptors] - Do use the receptor tagged shuriken. Spelling your name in shuriken after bouncing them off random objects after throwing them backwards is gonna be so cool.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
It's a a joke. Since the only on screen use of Kai I remember from the manga is Sakura doing it while everyone else did it stealthy like. Also I'm probably not remembering, but I don't think Tenten went to IT in this story.

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And I don't remember that being in the manga.
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Tenten's anime Infinite Tsukuyomi dream was completely different than the Manga, and also involved her figuring out it was a massive genjutsu (but still failing to escape). Oh yeah, and the only person who does it stealthy like was Shikamaru (because he wanted to pretend to be asleep).
 
Crilltic said:
Tenten's anime Infinite Tsukuyomi dream was completely different than the Manga, and also involved her figuring out it was a massive genjutsu (but still failing to escape). Oh yeah, and the only person who does it stealthy like was Shikamaru (because he wanted to pretend to be asleep).
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Ah, that was because of the sage weapons she yoinked, wasn't it?
 
OverReactionGuy said:
Or it's because she was the sane one on her team for soo damn long she developed an immunity to things like this.
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She eventually fell victim to the IT anyway, but it is interesting to note that she is the only character without Magic Eyes to demonstrate any resistance to it at all. (She also managed to move a bit instead of being paralyzed when the Eye of the Moon Plan first went off, which I don't think anyone else manages either.)
 
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.
 
Neptune said:
[][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone
[][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.

Our character doesn't seem like she has the ability to spy on an experienced Chunnin anyway, much less the vast canon differences that makes it unlikely to occur..
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I doubt the differences from canon managed to affect Mizuki being a traitor (Orochimaru henchman or not).

We may not actually be able to keep an eye on him the entire time, especially if we're cautious about doing it so that he isn't suspicious/spooked. But if he is up to something it's better to try and keep an eye on him than do nothing and just assume everything will turn out okay.

Seriously, doing nothing doesn't do ANY good here. But if we keep an eye on him and he is up to something we'll at least have a chance to see something and warn someone.
 
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[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Shadow Clone
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.

We're already a prodigy, being one that just follows around our instructor on suspicions we can't prove will raise too many red flags. Also I do agree that Hisana seems too sure about what team she's destined for, it's bound to be messed up.
 
So Mizuki craves power, and acknowledgment, right? So would he actually go through the risk of trying to retrieve the scroll when such an action can easily bring suspicion upon himself, or will he simply exploit an opportunity to create a distraction in the village, and claim a reward from Orochimaru by passing along the fact that one of the surviving Uchiha has the Sharingan?

Because in the latter case watching him like a hawk means he'll simply wait for another opportunity when someone isn't watching him closely, but we might be able to exploit his strong desire through indirectly tossing an opportunity in his lap. Let's consider the fact that if Hisana goes maximum showoff like the current winning vote the Uchiha reputation, and simply failing an otherwise competent student would allow him to utilize their jealousy through tutoring them in a ninjutsu to "get even".

This would give him the needed distraction/excuse/edge to make it past the inner most perimeter guard on Konoha proper, and make good whatever exfiltration plan he has in place. The tricky part is catching him after he is outside the residential part of the village, but before he makes good his escape.
spudman said:
We can keep an eye on Mizuki without being overly suspicious. We will be around him for most of the day since he's our teacher.

If he isn't up to anything, great.

If he is up to something, and we could have given some early warning but didn't because we just left it to chance? That's on us.
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Er our QM has explicitly noted that our protagonist is fallible, and mortal, so expecting Hisana to watch him like a hawk without being noticed by the career spy is a tad unrealistic imo. Seriously if he is incompetent enough to be spied upon by someone without any training in the relevant field he is almost certainly a known spy they keep around for obvious reasons.
 
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Yun said:
So Mizuki craves power, and acknowledgment, right? So would he actually go through the risk of trying to retrieve the scroll when such an action can easily bring suspicion upon himself, or will he simply exploit an opportunity to create a distraction in the village, and claim a reward from Orochimaru by passing along the fact that one of the surviving Uchiha has the Sharingan?
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He has known that we have the Sharingan since the day he demonstrated the bunshin in class.
If you don't think Orochimaru already knows, I have a bridge to sell you.

The problem is this: Cadets are not wise enough to know when to question their teachers.

Clan kids have parents who can question shit; not so civilians. And fresh genin are just skilled enough that they might have the capability to perform one mission.We may well be displacing Sakura from Team 7, and she's a fairly law-abiding person, as well as a very skilled one.
From a non-clan background.

I don't want to find out that she listened to one of her teachers for a special mission and was sacrificed on a run to steal something from Konoha.
Or bundled up and sold to Orochimaru, who is always looking for skilled medical shinobi; that's almost precisely how he recruited Kabuto in canon.
And at about this age, too.
 
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