Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
Seeing Red [Naruto]
- Thread starter Tekomandor
- Start date
Dragonjackel
GOLDEN Judgement
- Location
- Gregory House
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
If there's one thing I regret in this quest, it that we never got to learn puppetry
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Keep an eye on Mizuki all day. You don't trust him as far as you could throw him.
If there's one thing I regret in this quest, it that we never got to learn puppetry
Why wouldn't Uchihas write down their observations on Minato's technique?
Kakashi actually learned how to do it later.
Suspicious in what way? It makes us look like a prodigy, yes. But that's pretty much it. Hell, we could even say that we reverse engineered principles behind bijuu dama (of which there are records for sure). Basically did the same as Minato did. Rasengan? What's that? This is a super-spinning ball of doom mark 1.0 no jutsu! We totally made it ourself.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
That part of the quote was detailing that I don't think going after Mizuki counts as being stupid with it or dumb with it. Doing either or really wont effect much and I specifically said that I think we can take him which renders most of your other post about me being "afraid" to take on a chunni and all that jazz completely moot. But I also am cautious because I know Mizuki is ruthless and a planner so that is why I said that he could lead us into a trap, knock us out, gag and bag us, and give us to Orochimaru for his ambitious personality.
You are acting like I'm completely marginalizing the threat Mizuki could be or that I'm stupid. Either or and I don't fucking care which. Sorry I can't make my point any fucking clearer.
Also you can't spegetti post anymore and by definition that's being going around, that's what you are doing at this moment. Yes I know it's stupid but blame squishy for that.
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Nvm, it was pointed out to me that you can quote someone three times in a thread and no more than that. So you aren't spaghetti posting.
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- Location
- Rivendell
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your Drilling Air Bullets
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.
[x][Receptors] - Don't use them. The few extra points and a cool factor aren't worth it.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your chakra storage seal
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.
A few extra point isn't worth revealing any information it would give Oro should Mizuki actually manage escape. I voted for chakra storage seal because Shinobi are supposed to look underneath the obvious, and it says good things to them that Hisana rates a technique which requires dedication to complete over a flashy jutsu.
In regards to Mizuki is it more realistic that Naruto outran ANBU in canon, or that they were simply trailing him to locate whomever told him to steal the scroll? Because if you think the Hokage residence doesn't have an ANBU squad on spot at all times I've got a bridge to sell you.
[x][Credit] - Show the examiner your chakra storage seal
[x][Mizuki] - Don't get involved. You're sure whatever he tries to pull the village will stop. Probably.
A few extra point isn't worth revealing any information it would give Oro should Mizuki actually manage escape. I voted for chakra storage seal because Shinobi are supposed to look underneath the obvious, and it says good things to them that Hisana rates a technique which requires dedication to complete over a flashy jutsu.
In regards to Mizuki is it more realistic that Naruto outran ANBU in canon, or that they were simply trailing him to locate whomever told him to steal the scroll? Because if you think the Hokage residence doesn't have an ANBU squad on spot at all times I've got a bridge to sell you.
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OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
No Yog, just no.
Still not seeing a concise argument against it. To people we don't want to talk to (Danzo, Orochimaru arguably (because he could probably be talked around to being a good guy, actually), Tobi, Akatsuki) learning (seemingly recreating from scratch) rasengan changes nothing. To people who will want to talk to us about it (Jiraya, Sandaime Hokage, Kakashi)... I don't mind talking to them, actually. They can be trusted.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
I didn't even think I needed to explain why it is such a bad idea.
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We're already a prodigy, saying we reversed the rasengun from a biju ball by ourselves without any instruction would make us a super prodigy and possibly be hyped to be the next coming of the yellow flash. The thing is that's the kinda of thing that puts you on target lists for either kill or capture.
Kill before we live up to our potential threat. Capture to try and make us comply and teach our secrets.
That's one thing.
Another thing because I really feel the urge to address this is Orochimaru will not be talked into being a good guy. That only happened due to a unique set of circumstances that we can not replicate at this moment.
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Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
Apparantly we do...Actually Yog strikes me as familar...Like I'v seen his bad ideas before...Inverted AT fields?...
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
I actually posted that before I was finished.
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On accident.
Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
- Location
- United States of Quests
...How does that happen?
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
By thinking faster than I can type. I already thought I finished typing the post in my head.
Dude, it took Namikaze Minato 3 years to reverse-engineer the Rasengan from scratch.
And he at least had personal experience with enemy jinchuuriki, and married one, which means he might have seen bijuudama in person.
And he was an S-class ninja, to boot.
You all spent time voting for Hisana to pursue kenjutsu. You've spent a disproportionate amount of effort levelling kenjutsu.
The Rasengan is an A-rank technique designed to be used with taijutsu, and currently has no business in our arsenal.
It has no synergy with the way you've chosen to train the character so far.
Furthermore, we outright lack the Chakra Control rating to even use it, and cannot afford to bleed chakra figuring that out IC or brute force it like Naruto did.
For reference, at this point in time, Kakashi can barely use the Chidori four times in a day.
Canon Sasuke could only use it twice without tapping a cursed seal.
- Location
- Usa
Rasengan is not really Hisana's thing, her thing right now is a close range fighter with swords and mid range with her ninjutsu abilities. She has insane control and capacity for a fresh academy genin.
It is better to learn how to use shape manipulation so she can change the form of the chakra around her sword, lengthen or thicken it, ect.
It is better to learn how to use shape manipulation so she can change the form of the chakra around her sword, lengthen or thicken it, ect.
Not quoting all of it, but:
1) Synergy - we already have blades that can channel chakra. Making a variant based on rasengan principle (ie a drill or a chainsaw blade) would make sense
2) Chakra control - rasengan is, by itself, a chakra control exercise. Chakra control being the cornerstone of all ninja arts, training it would make sense
3) Notoriety - only if we use it where people can see and survive seeing it, and recognize what it is. Meaning that we'll need to use it somewhere against someone who knows what rasengan is and how it looks.
I want to train (note, train, not use, I allowed myself to be pulled into the debate of using it being a bad idea) it for bonuses in chakra control, a benefit of a powerful holdout weapon, and, hopefully, path towards developing a variant of it for our sword.
1) Synergy - we already have blades that can channel chakra. Making a variant based on rasengan principle (ie a drill or a chainsaw blade) would make sense
2) Chakra control - rasengan is, by itself, a chakra control exercise. Chakra control being the cornerstone of all ninja arts, training it would make sense
3) Notoriety - only if we use it where people can see and survive seeing it, and recognize what it is. Meaning that we'll need to use it somewhere against someone who knows what rasengan is and how it looks.
I want to train (note, train, not use, I allowed myself to be pulled into the debate of using it being a bad idea) it for bonuses in chakra control, a benefit of a powerful holdout weapon, and, hopefully, path towards developing a variant of it for our sword.
1)One does not simply integrate advanced techniques with swordplay.
Kakashi designed the Chidori, a nature and shape manipulation technique, at the age of 13, after trying to add nature manipulation to the Rasengan and failing. It took him another 18 years to figure out how to use it with a kunai. Even Sasuke, with all the resources of Orochimaru's establishment at his disposal, took multiple years to figure it out, and he was being tutored by an S-class shinobi sword user.
2) Rasengan is a weapon, not a chakra control exercise. You need chakra control to pull it off, not the other way round.
Naruto only managed to pull it off with the tutelage of an S-class shinobi, and the profligate use of more chakra than most jounin routinely expend in a battle to hack the technique. You'll note how no one else can afford to expend multiple Shadow Clones for 1 move as a routine maneuver.
3)Notoriety? Dude, the type of people you use A-rank techniques on are the most likely to survive them. Remember Kabuto?
Do not fool yourself that you can control who gets to see you use a technique, else Minato the speedster would never have gotten a reputation.
4)Hisana is a Wind Release user.
There are literally tons of Wind Release techniques out there that would serve as "powerful holdout weapons", up to and including the sealless A-rank Blade of Wind Baki used to impale Hayate Gekko. The idea that you need the Rasengan for this doesn't really have any supporting evidence.
Similarly, Hisana has medic-nin training.
Between general ninjutsu, elemental ninjutsu, genjutsu and medical ninjutsu, Hisana has more than enough methods to hone her control.
That has never been an issue.
When we have native A-rank control, and if the opportunity comes around? If it's not too much trouble, maybe.
At the moment, it's a waste of time and effort more productively spent elsewhere.
For example, we're an Uchiha sword user with D-rank genjutsu. That's just sad.
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OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
At least we know how to kai unlike everyone else in the setting.
It is both. It's an advanced shape manipulation chakra control exercise regime (learn to rotate your chakra in multiple directions at once, learn to condense your chakra to produce strong effects, learn to keep your projected chakra construct steady), mastering which allows you to apply what you learned as a weapon. Same as water walking is both a training and a mobility-enhancing technique.
Anyway, what occurs to me is that we haven't been taking all that much advantage of our metaknowledge. Yes, sure, we have been training, our strength is improving, we use metaknowledge as motivation and we use some of it to choose what to do and what skills might be relevant later or lead to more powerful abilities.
But we haven't been taking advantage of it in "make things that will make things later easier" kind of way. Like, I don't know, setting up a position in a forest of death that can be defended, or investing in wave economics, or looking for Uzumaki shrine in Konoha, or accumulating water-filled storage seals to deal with Gaara's sand in at least some way.
Basically, we have been preparing in a general way, using metaknowledge as motivation. We haven't been preparing anything for specific events in the future using said knowledge to our advantage.
But we haven't been taking advantage of it in "make things that will make things later easier" kind of way. Like, I don't know, setting up a position in a forest of death that can be defended, or investing in wave economics, or looking for Uzumaki shrine in Konoha, or accumulating water-filled storage seals to deal with Gaara's sand in at least some way.
Basically, we have been preparing in a general way, using metaknowledge as motivation. We haven't been preparing anything for specific events in the future using said knowledge to our advantage.
*sigh*
This would be much easier if I could simply post the manga pages.
Because we have C-rank knowledge.
That's broad strokes, not specifics, and we've been using it like that.
And we have no way of knowing how many elements of Naruto canon apply.
There's at least some elements from the movies if Snow exists, but we don't know how much.
Mizuki was an independent contractor in the manga, and was working for Orochimaru in the anime, with a modified version of the cursed seal.
Figuring out which would help us determine just what version of canon we're in, and how to plan for the future.
Guess what you are voting against?
You can cite chapter and page numbers, you know.
The thing is, I don't think he's going to be doing anything today. He did in canon because Naruto provided him with a unique opportunity that he took advantage of. Without that being the case, he's more likely to just be busy with the exams.
To an extent this comes down to in-universe v. out-of-universe reasoning. Out of universe, the fact that the QM gave us the option suggests that something is likely to happen. In universe, I would say it is unlikely - though it is understandable that Hisana would over-react, expecting canon events to occur regardless. Of course, it could also be that out of universe, it's intended as a lesson in expecting things to cleave too closely to canon regardless of our changes - something that Hisana still seems to be very attached to...