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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Dark as Silver said:
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Its a non sequitor because I cannot see how it logically follows from the preceding discussion.
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What? It's a direct answer your previuos statement.
Dark as Silver said:
Okay..... Explain to me where I have misunderstood you because I agree its absurd. But I believe it absurd because 'saying that you should avoid repeating runes' and 'avoiding repeating runes' are two different actions and therefore non equivalent, however thats what you are arguing.
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Once dawi Ancestor gets respected and influencial enough, what he does and does not do becomes a political statement/life lession to dawi that respect said ancestor and/or are influenced by him. With the ur-example of this being the fact Thungni did not repeat runes becoming the basis of Rule of Pride all runesmiths follow, despite him not explicitly saying anything about it. Or in lesser and quest relevant example, the whole Snorrist runesmithing movement/school of thought being formed just by junior runesmiths trying to follow Snorri's example despite him not being directly involved with it in any way.
 
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DeusFerreus said:
Once dawi Ancestor gets respected and influencial enough, what he does and *does not* do becomes a political statement/life lession to dawi that respect said ancestor and/or are influenced by him. With the ur-example of this being the fact Thungni did not repeating runes becoming the basis of Rule of Pride all runesmiths follow, despite him not explicitly saying anything about it. Or in lesser and quest relevant example, the whole Snorrist runesmithing movement/school of thought being formed just by junior runesmiths trying to follow Snorris example despite him not being directly involved with it in any way.
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So... you think that by becoming respected enough the effect you have on other dwarves should contribute to your rule of pride quota?
 
Thule said:
Think we could use the favors form Far North, Karak Ungor and Cult of Gazul to boost this to make even more holds?
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Well we already used favor from the Far North when we got raised this idea. Hypothetically we could tag in Ungor and Gazul's cult, but there isn't really a mechanical lever to pull to do that and narratively it would be Snorri stepping entirely out of his roadhouse so he might step on some toes.
 
If we're supporting the northern colonisation project I think that having a higher reputation with other holds will help narratively.

We may also be able to spend favour to get people to help more,

I think compressing Empowered Awakening and making a dwarf sized gronti bodyguard for that prince would be a good idea. Perhaps something like Master Rune of Empowered Awakening, Rune of Direction, and Rune of Loyalty.
 
BungieONI said:
Well we already used favor from the Far North when we got raised this idea. Hypothetically we could tag in Ungor and Gazul's cult, but there isn't really a mechanical lever to pull to do that and narratively it would be Snorri stepping entirely out of his roadhouse so he might step on some toes.
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I suppose we could try more directly helping them as well. After all, we do happen to be filthy rich and a legendary runesmith, so perhaps making a few special items to help the new holds get set up, and maybe even outright offering monetary incentives for dawi coming to settle the new holds, could help push things even that littlest bit further (albeit the second one is a lot more iffy, since Whitebeard's support would likely outweigh ours by a couple orders of magnitude still, so unless he isn't doing any monetary incentives, ours would likely do little)
 
Nerm said:
I suppose we could try more directly helping them as well. After all, we do happen to be filthy rich and a legendary runesmith, so perhaps making a few special items to help the new holds get set up, and maybe even outright offering monetary incentives for dawi coming to settle the new holds, could help push things even that littlest bit further (albeit the second one is a lot more iffy, since Whitebeard's support would likely outweigh ours by a couple orders of magnitude still, so unless he isn't doing any monetary incentives, ours would likely do little)
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I did have the thought to do items. That'd be nice. I have some ideas sitting in the back of my head and it'd be chill.
 
Nerm said:
I suppose we could try more directly helping them as well. After all, we do happen to be filthy rich and a legendary runesmith, so perhaps making a few special items to help the new holds get set up, and maybe even outright offering monetary incentives for dawi coming to settle the new holds, could help push things even that littlest bit further (albeit the second one is a lot more iffy, since Whitebeard's support would likely outweigh ours by a couple orders of magnitude still, so unless he isn't doing any monetary incentives, ours would likely do little)
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Some ideas:

1) Take a bunch more highly talented apprentices to seed the founder runesmith population of the new holds with Snorrists.

2) Ensure the new holds are founded on top of Waystones/Waystone nexuses to give us options if we develop safe Waystone tapping runes.

3) Build each new hold an adamant mega-gronti defender or similar mega-project.

4) Sponsor competitions in Khazagar to create items with novel runes/combos that help colonisation

5) Develop better Runes of Storage and food creation to make travel safer, easier, and more productive.
 
Idk about that, once Snorri whitebeard weighs in there's not much else Snorri can do to speed things along that we didn't already spend favor for. The single biggest issue the Valayans had was that the South thinks the North is full of madmen and few wanted to move there when the west exists. Snorri getting Snorri to support it will smooth a lot of that away.
 
Alratan said:
Some ideas:

1) Take a bunch more highly talented apprentices to seed the founder runesmith population of the new holds with Snorrists.

2) Ensure the new holds are founded on top of Waystones/Waystone nexuses to give us options if we develop safe Waystone tapping runes.

3) Build each new hold an adamant mega-gronti defender or similar mega-project.

4) Sponsor competitions in Khazagar to create items with novel runes/combos that help colonisation

5) Develop better Runes of Storage and food creation to make travel safer, easier, and more productive.
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The first one is probably a massive no-no, since it'll be seen as a very blatant attempt at taking control of the North's runesmiths, and the adamant mega-gronti may be a bit overambitious...

But now that you mention it, using Khazagar would be perfect to add an extra kick to the northern colonization. Just throw a bunch of funds for folk to create specialized tools to help in the founding of a new hold in a grand competition, like the ones already going on. That way, we can get an absolute metric fuckton of runecrafted items for the new holds, possibly some more novel ones as well, and we'll not only get Khazagar's reputation as a useful edifice cemented through it being instrumental to the North's second colonization wave, but we'll also silently force Vragni to invest a ton from his own Citadel of Creation into the northern colonization effort, so as to not get shown up by Khazagar.
 
Nerm said:
But now that you mention it, using Khazagar would be perfect to add an extra kick to the northern colonization. Just throw a bunch of funds for folk to create specialized tools to help in the founding of a new hold in a grand competition, like the ones already going on. That way, we can get an absolute metric fuckton of runecrafted items for the new holds, possibly some more novel ones as well, and we'll not only get Khazagar's reputation as a useful edifice cemented through it being instrumental to the North's second colonization wave, but we'll also silently force Vragni to invest a ton from his own Citadel of Creation into the northern colonization effort, so as to not get shown up by Khazagar.
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Sponsor a tournament (or multiple tournaments, for different skill brackets) to create tools that would be useful for colonization.
 
anyone know of a good enough AI art generator? think i wanna try to make a jack black as snorri doing various memey things
 
So Snorri has a history of runeing entire holds almost singlehandedly, he did it for a young Kraka Drakk, and again for the Brana's city built on top of it, he did it for Kraka Grom, and Khazagar is probably bigger than a lot of the new holds will be for a while, and that was entirely a him and Karstah thing. It would be entirely in character for them to spend a decade or two going from hold to hold and fully runeing every place he stops at.

Snorri's even more powerful when he's leading team efforts, that's how we got the underway finished in time for the first big chaos incursion, because we did stuff like make enough basic runic pickaxes for everyone. That was before we had Khazagar built, that was before we had the hearthguard and a hold with plenty of experience handling the logistics for Snorri's latest megaproject. We also now have several generations of Snorrist runesmiths who grew up with those pickaxes hanging on the mantlepiece as an heirloom treasure. Those runesmiths now have the opportunity to start handing out future heirlooms like candy on halloween.

Kraka Drakk was the first northern hold to get an underway connection, it's presumably the gateway city to the wider northern network. We can make sure that every tradesman who comes north to build and settle the new holds picks up a set of utility runes on their tools as they pass through.

We can also lead a small throng of them across the newly built holds and collectively rune up an entire mountain over the span of a week, with Snorri powering up the master structural runes with Thungni's hammer while everyone else sets up the core runic infrastructure of the place. Because if we do that, Vragni is honor bound to try and match our achievements with his own apprentice swarm, and I wish him nothing but the best in that endeavor.

New colonial rune-tech is great, and should be done (maybe even as a burudin challenge), but lets not forget the fundamentals here, it would be cool to try and make Kraka Drakk, or even the whole north well known for its generosity to the new colonists, and not just the generosity of one, albeit mighty giver of gifts.
 
I think it depends on how we do it. I can see there being problems if massproducing apprentices and then propping them up in various new holds, as a sort of "puppet runesmith" to gain control over them.

Vragni is considered radical too, despite his own protests on the matter after all.

That said, it might happen somewhat "naturally" as we make apprentices, and our apprentices make more apprentices. And so long as it is a slow, normal progression it should be fine.

Mayne we can ask one of our existing apprentices to "help out the new holds" too, and Snerra will become the second coming of the toy migration, but I don't think we can go further?
 
While I'd like to help the new holds it'll be fun to see some of the master runesmiths spread their wings a bit. With some new holds there may be some room in the far north for some more runelord titles.
 
ThePkrmgc said:
Because if we do that, Vragni is honor bound to try and match our achievements with his own apprentice swarm,
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See theres a thing about that honor bound statement that I think shows people often forget something about Vragni's character. (My apologies for using you to pick out a trend I sort of see vaugely in a lot of people)
You don't pride yourself as a productive runesmith unless you care that you're maximising the amount of good that your runecraft is doing.
soulcake said:
From Grimbol's writings, and your own research, Vragni had a knack for producing a high quantity of quality products, something he was rather proud of and famed for in his old home in the south alongside the personal silver sigil he used to mark every work he made. He had come north in the belief that his talents would be useful until he heard of you. Grimbol wrote positively of Vragni's productivity, and he believed that given enough time the youth would prove himself worthy. Time, it seemed, proved Grimbol true, as the boy spearheaded an effort to arm the world's greatest warriors with fine runic equipment.
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Even before the Snorri/Vragni relationship developed, Vragni abandoned the home where he was well known and famous in order to go to the poor newly developed North because he thought he could do more good there than if stayed in the well developed areas.
Even absent Snorri, Vragni would still be trying to do as much as he could to develop the north.
 
Say think we could get a explore action of the far north? if Snorri and retainers find major deposits of resources around the far north, then it could get some dwai to set up a hold were the resources are found
 
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