You'd need a lot more solid answers about the exact forces that give rise to them to say for sure. You could posit that there's a set amount of them or singular creation events that give rise to a particular type and preying on them will reduce their number in the long term. You could also posit that removing them will just create a vacuum that will be swiftly filled.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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You'd need a lot more solid answers about the exact forces that give rise to them to say for sure. You could posit that there's a set amount of them or singular creation events that give rise to a particular type and preying on them will reduce their number in the long term. You could also posit that removing them will just create a vacuum that will be swiftly filled.
Honestly at some point we should take a research Arc and just spend the entire time making spells and researching our backlog. That sounds like it'd be fun.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
I'd assume that Bretonnia would be a better model for tapping into Old World culture about cavalry.
WoB from before we went on k8p expedition is that he mislikes sitting around and doing nothing for many turns.
But I would support taking a turn of after concluding waystone project just to do solo spellwork.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
IIRC, a few years back someone asked what might happen if wizards started putting Wisdom Asps in mirrorcatch boxes en masse and I think Boney suggested that it's possible that they might start lashing back?
We'll see! I don't think the mirrorcatch box method works all that much because of how it was such an astronomical fluke, but other methods of catching Apparitions might end up being widespread.
We'll see! I don't think the mirrorcatch box method works all that much because of how it was such an astronomical fluke, but other methods of catching Apparitions might end up being widespread.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Perhaps, but I want Winged Lancers. Personal preference.
(And Mathilde already had some interactions with them, and some theories that the eponymous wings might have a sort of resonance in of themselves- perhaps we can tap into that?)
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I do vaguely remember that Q&A!
Honestly the interesting part is that if they're successful at making new bloodletting boxes, we might start being able to spend CF to buy AV if we need more of it for something, lol.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
I don't imagine they're going to sell it, given that Boney's repeatedly had to mention that they won't buy AV right after we told them how to source it themselves, and given how AV is so valuable.
Also, I think that on some level, Boney doesn't want to make the Favor economy to get weird like that.
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- He/Him
It was that exact answer I was thinking of, actually - more specifically from the angle of "They won't buy any... because they're looking to make more themselves, since you taught them where it comes from."
Implying that success would mean they now have their own supply, more plentiful than Mathilde's. I don't see why "get more Mathilde Weber things" isn't a valid use for parts of that new supply, just as "get more Kragg the Grimm" things is a valid use for our own.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Probably for the same reason Mathilde isn't hired by other Wizards for CF currently.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
Either it wouldn't be worth our time to trade actions (and potentially other resources) for CF or it will be and we'll end up voting to spend turns doing boring stuff for other wizards.
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- He/Him
Because we haven't made our services available in that way?
We had plenty of job offers back during the arc vote, I don't think we'd be turned down if we said "hey, I need to trade favors, got any odd jobs?"
We literally did exactly that when hiring for the Waystone project, and it was anything but boring. We just don't have a reason to go in for that for generic CF as opposed to personal boons when we have so many pending papers and AP discounts for writing them.
CF is still just... CF. It's not actually the goal of the quest so even if we could pivot to doing odd jobs for the colleges entirely, getting more college favor is never why we'd actually do it, even if it could be exchanged for some extra gallons of AV.
So I just don't see any reason not to suspect that there will eventually be an exchange rate. Goodness knows, the colleges will probably be quite eager to purchase runesmithing services the way we have using the stuff, with the rooms of calamity right there and the eye of gazul down here showing off the kinds of thing they can get no other way.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
AFAIK, the reason Mathilde doesn't trade for CF now is because Boney doesn't want to write it. There's a quote somewhere (which I can't find, but perhaps one of the thread loremasters might be able to) where he said that he'd only really do that if the thread spent too long sitting around researching/training or other similar self-contained things.
Av isn;t the goal of the quest either. The quest's goal is to be fun to do. There's goals people want Mathilde to achieve, sure, but that's because either people think the process of getting there will be fun, or the satisfaction of completing said goal. But the quest itself isn't directed towards any specific ends.
The Colleges could presumably purchase Runesmithing services without going through Mathilde though. Like, Mathilde is the Empire's foremost Dwarf diplomacy expert, sure. But there's zero way that if the Colleges want to trade with the Runesmiths they're unable to do so without Mathilde. And if they aren't, they'll work to fix that ASAP, because she isn't immortal.
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I feel like you have misunderstood my point.
It's not an imposition on Boney's writing for the ability to purchase AV to exist. It doesn't mandate anything except maybe one or two scenes to introduce it.
Doing odd jobs for Belegar was one of our options for this arc. Boney is not actually opposed to writing Mathilde doing odd jobs.
But I brought up CF not being the goal of the quest to point out that the thread would be unlikely to vote for us to focus on doing odd jobs for the colleges just for CF even if we could purchase av with it. We have papers for that.
We know for a fact that they are trying to secure their own supply now. Being able to purchase some of it from the colleges once they succeed is just a logical follow-on from this. There is no in-universe or out-of-universe reason to believe that will be impossible.
It's a perk, not a change to the fundamental structure or writing of Divided Loyalties.
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- Location
- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
Runesmiths work through personal connections rather than instititional ones, as they need to personally trust whoever is using their work. Runes generally arent products to be sold or traded; theyre holy relics of Thungni created bespoke by His priests.
The collaborations done between runesmiths and the colleges in-quest, like the Eye of Gazul and the Waystones Project, have been leveraging Mathildes willingness to vouch for the people on her end and put her own reputation on the line if the results end up misused.
Neither Algard nor Dragomas could have got Runesmith buy-in for either without setting aside an equivalent amount of personal effort to get the relationships that Mathilde has established for themselves.
We've been told we can pay (either in. AV or with our runesmith boon) to have Runesmiths sit down with the Colleges and try to hammer out a reciprocal arrangement, again banking on Mathildes own rep to get the ball rolling. There was a vote to try that on our last purchase turn, in fact. It failed to get enough voter support. However, "surely they're already working together" is not in any way true when it comes to foreign mystery cults.
Individual wizards who have impressed a runesmith might have a piece or two of runed gear. But there is no ambassadorial position in place to get larger negotiations happening. If you want to try to set one up, try the vote again on a purchase turn.
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Framing the "loremaster at large" arc as "odd jobs" really undersells it—it would have been an arc about extending K8P's and Belegar's political influence amongst the Karaz Ankor by earning favours and political capital, so that he could manoeuvre into a position to challenge the High King on his policies, possibly even engineering a situation where he becomes the primary candidate for being the next High King.
Adrian XXIV
Average User, from Poland
- Location
- Poland
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- He/Him
Honestly, I feel that if we picked Belegat as "Mathilde's love interest", then their later marriage would result in Empire & Karaz Ankor being bound tighter than ever
- Location
- Australia
A marriage alliance between a goat fief and a barely reclaimed hold wouldn't have bound the two empires particularly more tightly.
- Location
- Utrecht
Maybe a closer bond with the colleges once a Dwarf Queen becomes Supreme Matriarch
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I think the biggest ripple would be human Nobles realizing that marry a dwarf is an option and a bunch scrambling for marriage alliances.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Perhaps... You know who would have, though?
There are, perhaps, more important things to be focusing on, right now. The elders of Clan Ironhammer having frosty discussions with various functionaries of the Empire? Maybe? The Supreme Patriarch, Dragomas, introducing you to the Emperor himself, making you known to the most important political figure in the Empire? Certainly. Belegar standing beside you, stiffening slightly in his formal armor, as his now betrothed approaches? Definitely.
Yet none of that registers as the woman you once knew as Countess Gabriella von Bundebad sweeps into an elegant curtsy directed at Belegar before closing the gap between you before you can so much as flinch. "A great honor to meet you!" she says as she clasps your hands in her own. "I do hope we can get along!" And there can be no doubt of that, as her crossed fingers and the eruption of giggling from the always familiar presence with you attests.
The Emperor smiles at the seeming joy Belegar's betrothed has evinced at meeting you, some of the lines carved deep by worry and exhaustion on his face easing at the site. "I do hope that as well," he says, his regard only slightly less shocking than the revelation of the prize the bounty you presented to Ranald has won. "It would be good for my cousin Heidi to have a friend in Karak Eight Peaks."
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
- Location
- Jerkville
We filled out a form when we made Magister. They're letting us ease ourselves into expanding that list, since we've already done three or four things we didn't indicate willingness to perform on that form, with only tutoring and commissions for CF definitely left as far as I can tell.
Our of universe, agency and endless AP draining backlog.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Mathilde singlehandedly transformed the Colleges' view overnight on Apparitions from terrifying predators into:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP-uOg5CyOk
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I'm pretty sure the main watsonian reason we aren't getting CF offers for our time is that we are gainfully employed and aren't CF negative. In the context of the Colleges, before we became LM, we were an explorer and practical researcher with a consistently high status day job, not an enchanter, crafter or troubleshooter. We only started doing quid pro quo odd jobs in the context of favors at the highest echelon, above the stuff covered by fungible CF.
If you have a wizard who's shattering the known paradigm on an average of 2-3 times a decade, you don't exactly encourage people to seek her out to help with their personal projects.
Maybe if Mathilde didn't produce anything for ten years or so then the colleges would start telling their magisters to call in on us, but until then the favour economy is weighted in our, well, favour. Commissions flow from us to the colleges, not the other way around.
Maybe if Mathilde didn't produce anything for ten years or so then the colleges would start telling their magisters to call in on us, but until then the favour economy is weighted in our, well, favour. Commissions flow from us to the colleges, not the other way around.