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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Oh yeah, that wouldn't work at all without telling the voters exactly what to do.
Edit. Also thanks for the explanation.
Which all makes sense but for the fact that - so far as I've seen - none of our votes indicate ranked preference of one option over another, only each option that the voter approves of... If it's automatically counting the top option in a given voter's block of choices as their first preference (and so on down the list), which is the only thing I can think it might be doing, then that's going to be wildly faulty given that people haven't been instructed to list their choices in order of preference.
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Yes, that's what it's doing. My cut-off point for the quote was missing the top half of the section that described the process for some reason.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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We're not doing any kind of run-off, instant or otherwise, and Boney has specifically asked for people to stop talking about doing one.
Whichever option wins this vote, wins. That's it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Miners are usually (at least IRL) poor and uneducated. You need maths to plan a mine, you don't need maths to physically hit rocks with a pick or move a barrow full of ore or waste from point a to point b.
The way the dwarfs are doing it, it's more of a mix of science, religion and cultural practices.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I'll try to guess:
- Gender ratio: More men than women due to being a conquest where most conquerors settled. Latter immigration is more close to Karaz AnKor average, especially among those that came from Karak Izor.
- Marriage status: More single Dwarves due to them being more likely to migrate and due to the gender ratio.
- Professional seniority: More journeymen since they are who journey to places being conquered or having been newly conquered. Masters are rising proportionally faster than Apprentices overall due to quicker promotions and refoundings of Guilds, though some take Thorek's example and take on more Apprentices than is usual. However even if birth rates overall are higher, K8P has not been conquered long enough for there to be a disproportionately high amount of Dwarven children becoming old enough to take on apprenticeships.
- Clan membership: I don't actually know. Clanless outnumbered Clan by a lot initially, but Clan Huzkul absorbed a lot of them. At this point I don't know how the immigration due to a reputation of being welcoming to Clanless balances out with an increased amount of adoptions due to actually being welcome to Clanless. I remember speculation about how Clan Huzkul might actually not be all that gung ho about adopting every latecomer, now that they earned their status through exceptional valor, but I don't remember if there was a WoQM on it. Also, K8P is so welcoming, it might be one of the few places in the Karaz Ankor where a Clanless person can live a comfortable life and have career opportunities without even seeming to attempt to join a Clan. It's also great for those Clanless who want something in between living among Humans/Halflings on a daily basis and having a sensible Dwarven government. An example to look at would be Gotrek's widow.
- Immigration background: Definitely far more former expats than pretty much anywhere else in the Karaz Ankor proper. Maybe there's exceptions among the Vaults, but that's just me not wanting to take an absolute stance.
Karak Azul and Karak Vlag seem to be counterexamples of your theory, though especially the latter might not be emblematic. Still, Mathilde and Panoramia have speculated that it seems like a mix of immediate safety and abstract danger are detrimental to Dwarven flourishing.
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Those sound fun, someone should make one
Poor fellow. Quite insane. Even the Tzeentch cultists didn't want him!
Yes.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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To some degree, sure. I still wouldn't expect them to get into the more technical side of it unless they're taking it up as a career. I imagine they're taught it as a life skill (if you ever need to support yourself, there's always mining work), a religious education (the Ancestors did this), and I imagine they're taught scientific results (stone that looks like this has x and y properties) but I doubt they approach it as a science to be learned unless you're looking for a more foreman-style position.
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Dwarves are not just randomly digging through surface rock, they are making deep mine shafts and hollowing mountains, nor are they using poor uneducated labour for grunt work, they are teaching everyone to be a mining engineer in their own right if necessary.
And that means they need to be able to not only recognice ore, check how sturdy the rock is they are mining through, build and design support structures...
Pretty much nailed it. The number of Clanless in K8P is still higher than in other Karaks even if you discount the Clan Huzkul, since there's still a fair number of trades yet to be dominated by a local Clan and some (former?) Imperial Dwarves have formed a small community within Karag Nar.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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No, they're not teaching everyone to be a mining engineer? Like, I don't see why you'd assume that, when frankly almost none of them would end up using those skills, and they've not got infinite time to teach. But the Hold will always need people with picks to do the physical work of mining. In the same way, even though every Dwarf knows how to fight, they don't all get taught how to organise logistics or command even small units.
Cultural reasons, the idea of teaching someone to mine in such a way that is they tried to plan their own tunnels would cave themselves in and die would be anathema to dwarf culture, not to mention likely blasphemy against Grungi.
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Every dawi is meant to be able to mine.
And with that, i seriously doubt they mean "able to hold a pick and hit rocks".
While not everyone is gonig to be a master engineer or anything, i really don't see them not giving everyone the basics of mine construction.
And that should involve basic maths, and possibly even reading/writing for blueprints.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I fully respect that you treat it as a very nuanced matter. And I hope it reassures you that I view it in the lens of "a positive trend in K8P, not to be extrapolated to the Karaz Ankor as a whole (which is its own question)".
Whereas immigration from other parts of the Karaz Ankor makes Karak Eight Peaks' population boom more of a "doing better in a zero-sum game", the increasing birth rates among the K8P population means that it's organically doing better from local sources, too, which is great to hear.
It's small steps in the right direction, but that those small steps are happening at all is a symbol of hope and progress. It was really not that long ago that Thorgrim sat upon the throne and despaired at the approaching extinction of his people with no hope of averting it. Things are very far from sunshine and rainbows now, but it's still been a massive, well-deserved turnaround even in purely relative terms.
Dermonster
The Shittiest Wizard
THE BOAT WINS!
Someone cue the rock music.
Someone cue the rock music.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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Sad that Elector-Countess didn't win. But hey, ranking #5 out of 49 different vote options is a respectable showing.
Nice to see that the boat won, but also that it did so by more then one or two votes, a closer vote would have left more people wondering and regretting how easily it would have swung
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Wow yeah mostly relief that it is closed.