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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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UrbanAvena said:
Terms for Terms God!

I put two change from previous terms. Widening Sunspear to Dorne and adding Prince Qoren to the responsibility also directly from the wedding.
-[ ] Upon the wedding of Princess Rhaenyra and Prince Qoren, Rhaenyra will strive to visit Dorne for a few months every year, health and weather permitting and Prince Qoren will do the same for Rhaenyra in King's Landing.
--[ ] Increasing the obligation early maintain court power of Rhaenyra and accelerate integration of Dorne both by Qoren visit and Rhaenyra wider visit.
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The former is, by its language, not a serious enforceable expectation and so should be written in more gentle terms because it's a general understanding of intent. This is a contract; it contains only terms that, if they are seriously breached, we should consider that as a major breach of the marriage itself and potentially grounds for divorce if one or the other of the two spouses wants to press the matter.

The latter ("increasing the obligation early maintain") is ungrammatical- is there a typo?

Zimmerwald1915 said:
I mean, it's called "our wedding."
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No no, I mean, we should also have a party to celebrate the betrothal. Royal betrothals, especially when they come with a landmark peace treaty, are a big deal.

Zimmerwald1915 said:
-[] Insist that the boundaries between House Peake and its Dornish neighbors are well-drawn and sensible and should not be adjusted.
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I think we need to make sure that the boundaries will not be adjusted in Peake's favor.

-[] Clarify that the Kingsroad in Dorne will be upkept and governed like the Kingsroad throughout the Realm.
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Ah... how is that, exactly?

I'd want to also add:

-[] And make sure there's a nice big party celebrating the betrothal, not just one for Daemon. Father and Qoren deserve celebration too!
 
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Boss Tweed said:
"All reasonable efforts to eliminate banditry" is somewhat vague. Can we get a more specific commitment, since we are funding Dorne's defenses in exchange for this?
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I also think there may be push to be unreasonable by Marcher lord like burning down Dornish village "suspected of harboring bandit." Reasonable is a good limitation.
 
Azel said:
Realistically we will be spending one full turn every year in Sunspsear. That fulfills our obligations and makes sense for us to do simply from the perspective that we will definitely be having dealings there that need attending now and then.

There's not much of a problem to have people boat around for about 3 weeks a year while we just fly over on Syrax.
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Yes, IF we are only going once a year, which was my point, please try to remember. I was arguing against someone who seemed to want 2-3 shorter visits a year, which works for us on Syrax but not for any kind of entourage by ship.

Azel said:
Might as well since there's a bunch of miner quibbles I have.

[] Plan A Few Details
-[] Ask for the visit requirement to be changed so that both you pledge to visit Dorne regularly and that Qoren will visit the other parts of the realm regularly with you.
--[] It makes sense to broaden the focus from Sunspear to all of Dorne, since visiting other Dornish lords would help your standing and the process of unification. Likewise, Qoren should ensure that he is a known figure in the rest of the Seven Kingsdoms before the wedding to ease their concerns and grumbling. He is good at wining people over and should leverage that for the benefit of our union.
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This could get burdensome. Qoren does still have a kingdom-sized realm to administer, and will have his work cut out for him reconciling Dorne to the agreement. He can't spend that much time going places in Westeros, and most of Westeros is less convenient for him to visit than King's Landing.

-[X] Ask for clarification of the status of Bloodstone.
--[X] Since Daemon being sworn to Corlys Velaryon would be an awkward situation for all involved, you want it spelled out that Daemon swears fealty directly to the Iron Throne. Should he not wish to claim Bloodstone, the island will be held by the Iron Throne directly in case he changes his mind later.
-[X] Ask to review the border adjustments. You want to make sure that no mistakes, like awarding land to House Peake, have snuck in.
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I approve.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
The latter ("increasing the obligation early maintain") is ungrammatical- is there a typo?
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It use gerund "Increasing" as subject of the sentence if it seems clunky. Though yeah I see maintain is not in singular plural agreement.

Also the former I am just adjusting the original term for simplicity sake. The wording is just what is there.
 
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Azel said:
Might as well since there's a bunch of miner quibbles I have.

[X] Plan A Few Details
-[X] Ask for the visit requirement to be changed so that both you pledge to visit Dorne regularly and that Qoren will visit the other parts of the realm regularly with you.
--[X] It makes sense to broaden the focus from Sunspear to all of Dorne, since visiting other Dornish lords would help your standing and the process of unification. Likewise, Qoren should ensure that he is a known figure in the rest of the Seven Kingsdoms before the wedding to ease their concerns and grumbling. He is good at wining people over and should leverage that for the benefit of our union.
-[X] Ask for clarification of the status of Bloodstone.
--[X] Since Daemon being sworn to Corlys Velaryon would be an awkward situation for all involved, you want it spelled out that Daemon swears fealty directly to the Iron Throne. Should he not wish to claim Bloodstone, the island will be held by the Iron Throne directly in case he changes his mind later.
-[X] Ask to review the border adjustments. You want to make sure that no mistakes, like awarding land to House Peake, have snuck in.

Ultimately I'm good though. So, approval voting accepting terms as is.

[X] Accept them as is (This Will Put Rhaenyra in a Binding Betrothal)
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Question: If Qoren says no to any of these terms the Betrothal still stands right ?
Because these terms are just the cherry on the top and overall are just minor things. They would be nice but none of them are deal-breakers right ?
 
[] Plan A Few Other Details
-[] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
--[] Try to establish an informal friendly understanding with Qoren that, additional to the visits mentioned in the contract, he will at least try to visit you in King's Landing now and then even before you claim the Iron Throne, and that you will try to visit him in Sunspear now and then afterwards, even if it is not officially spelled out in the contract and even if it's not every year in either case. As for the contract itself:
--[] None of the following are deal-breakers; you are prepared to accept the contract as-is. None of this is worth a meaningful breach with your father, or with Qoren. But they are things you would like to see in the contract.
---[] Make sure that there will be a proper festival celebrating the betrothal, additional to and independent of Daemon's triumphal return from the Stepstones campaign. If Daemon deserves praise and recognition, well, so surely do Father, Qoren, and you yourself.
---[] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
---[] Ask for clarification of the status of Bloodstone. Since Daemon being sworn to Corlys Velaryon would be an awkward situation for all involved, you want it spelled out that Daemon swears fealty directly to the Iron Throne. Should he not wish to claim Bloodstone, the island will be held by the Iron Throne directly in case he changes his mind later. Should the royal funds for building a castle on Bloodstone be misappropriated, the Throne will be entitled to demand that they be repaid.

(This has been amended in a later version, see here
 
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This reduces all the visiting stuff (which could become a sticking point for either of us in the future) into a friendly understanding that hopefully comes across to Qoren and Dad as "see, she actually likes you and wants to see more of you." It also addresses the big two policy issues everyone is talking about, and makes sure Daemon isn't the only one who gets a party.
 
UrbanAvena said:
-[ ] Daemon will swear loyalty to the Iron Throne and Rhaenyra's claim if he choose to rule Bloodstone.
--[ ] Daemon hasn't directly swear loyalty to the Iron Throne and its heir. This is especially important as his direct reaction to our ascension as heir was occupying the Heir rightful seat of Dragonstone. The clear demonstration of loyalty for Iron Throne newest lord is important as all the older lords have already swear loyalty to Rhaenyra as the righftul hair.
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Pretty solid. I'm definitely willing to vote for it, but maybe add in the theft of the dead brothers intended dragon egg.
 
Ok, I significantly prefer the wording regarding visiting Sunspear and KL...
[X] Plan A Few Other Details

Well, honestly, we have made a pretty good deal here (and it pains me to admit it since I was a die-hard Harwin supporter), the only small problem I have with the terms of the contract is that getting the 24-month waiting period would have been better to make sure that the Northeners could come without issue...
 
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Made a couple of minor wording changes to my plan, mostly just to make sure Rhaenyra doesn't push these terms hard if they would unexpectedly antagonize Dad or Qoren, though I really doubt they would.
 
Ghost in the sun said:
A bit random but I kinda I want to see what Isembard Arryn is doing next turn or the one after, since he is Nyra business partner.
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Honestly we're overdue to talk to him, he still has that gift he was preparing for our return... about half a year ago by the original timeline? We have a good excuse of being busy with the marriage stuff, but after this we definitely should pay him a visit imo.
 
[X] Plan A Few Other Details
EDIT: I am also fine with
[X] Accept them as is (This Will Put Rhaenyra in a Binding Betrothal)
 
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