That's what I've been doing for the past few updates, honestly. Sorry for wanting to contribute. My ideas are stupid anyway.
Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
To be clear, I am suggesting this in response to "I just want this event to end. I no longer care if it causes a wipe. At least then it'd be over." which does not seem like a positive way to engage with what is, ultimately, a game. If you start to feel that way it can be a good idea to step away for a bit, regardless of whether your ideas are good or not, for your own sake.
- Location
- Peterborough
I really hope the vote to have both Venus and Nanoha on the Jewel Seed doesn't wind up backfiring and causing the issues I'm already worried about. Nanoha alone is capable of beating Whisper, Venus is either redundant at best or detrimental at worst depending on how Whisper reacts to her involvement.
If we wind up having a Jewel Seed Empty Face, it will be because the stress caused by Venus' involvement causes Whisper to slip, which she is well on the way to doing.
If we wind up having a Jewel Seed Empty Face, it will be because the stress caused by Venus' involvement causes Whisper to slip, which she is well on the way to doing.
- Location
- Bloomington, IN
[X] Plan Mars Command
I honestly don't think we need to call in additional reinforcements, but this is the only plan with a chance at winning that has Nanoha chasing the jewel seed, doesn't waste a Senshi on helping her do so, and focuses on taking down the godbinders, so I suppose I'm stuck with it.
I honestly don't think we need to call in additional reinforcements, but this is the only plan with a chance at winning that has Nanoha chasing the jewel seed, doesn't waste a Senshi on helping her do so, and focuses on taking down the godbinders, so I suppose I'm stuck with it.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The only reason I'm voting for "putting out fires" is to keep "stop evading" from winning.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I know this isn't really the point, but I think Whisper would be horrified to turn into an "all will love me and despair" figure. She'd really rather be the power behind the throne or something.
You don't spend your life training to be a magic evil ninja, actually get good enough at it that the magic evil ninjas are starting to accept you as a Real Magic Real Evil Real Ninja who is worthy of their evil magic ninja secrets, and then name yourself Whisper, if you like everyone noticing you all the time.
I think Makoto did tell a live Jewel Seed monster "Sit. Stay" and the tree went "but I'll die tho" and Makoto said "Did. I. Stutter?" and the tree sat and stayed.
Granted that she critted that round or something, but still.
The convention that no magician can overpower a live Jewel Seed directly may be one of those rules that bends when you're actually technically a planet, not a magician.
I mean, I dunno. Sailor Moon's never actually encountered a Jewel Seed up close and personal that wasn't in the process of sealing.
Jewel Seeds are wish-granting magical crystals. Usagi's a wish-granting magical crystal that is also girl. Maybe the Jewel Seed will be turn out to be curious! Or want to have a chat!
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
Maybe if we collect all 20, Usagi could glue them together and put Shantair's Star Seed back into the wheel of Samsara, letting Sailor Shantair reincarnate properly. Or give it directly to the closest Sailor Shantair candidate we find.I know this isn't really the point, but I think Whisper would be horrified to turn into an "all will love me and despair" figure. She'd really rather be the power behind the throne or something.
You don't spend your life training to be a magic evil ninja, actually get good enough at it that the magic evil ninjas are starting to accept you as a Real Magic Real Evil Real Ninja who is worthy of their evil magic ninja secrets, and then name yourself Whisper, if you like everyone noticing you all the time.
Makoto did tell a live Jewel Seed monster "Sit. Stay" and the tree went "but I'll die tho" and Makoto said "Did. I. Stutter?" and the tree sat and stayed.
Granted that she critted that round or something, but still.
The convention that no mage can overpower a live Jewel Seed directly may be one of those rules that bends when you're actually technically a planet.
I mean, I dunno. Sailor Moon's never actually encountered a Jewel Seed up close and personal that wasn't in the process of sealing.
Jewel Seeds are wish-granting magical crystals. Usagi's a wish-granting magical crystal that is also girl. Maybe the Jewel Seed will be turn out to be curious?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That's contingent on the possibility that the Jewel Seeds are fragments of Shantair's Sailor Crystal/Star Seed, but if so, then that's a theoretical possibility.
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
One of the Youkai girls turns out to be a reincarnate of a Shantair royalty and a good candidate. And thus we have our first Youkai Senshi…
Onogoro's screaming can be heard from within the cryo-chambers on Mercury.
- Location
- Peterborough
Imagine if Qiqi is the reincarnation of Sailor Mau
Although, if the Jewel Seeds are secretly Shauntairs' Star Seed, then maybe the candidate could be Nanoha herself.
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
I think there is actually a canon "Sailor Mau", though she's not the actual Sailor Mau but one of Galaxia's artificial Senshi recruited from the populace when she killed Mau.
Her name was… Sailor Nyanko or something like that, I think?
EDIT: Right, "Sailor Tin Nyanko".
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- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Man I think this is the most split vote we've had in a while though that makes sense given how many fracture points there are on how important an issue is. Just even with a lot of compromise and approval voting the two leading options both have less than a third of the total voters supporting them.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Wow, people keep voting for "stop evading"
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
It's pretty necessary if we have more than two Senshi do exposed actions at once. And since most plans involve at least three Senshi doing an exposed action, well…
Honestly, having a Senshi be temporarily sealed is an acceptable cost if we beat down the jail breakout, defeat west gate attack, and get the jewel seed dealt with. North Gate would then either have to withdraw or it would be dogpiled by 100% of MCATs forces, plus at least two Senshi, basically ensuring it's defeat.
- Location
- Peterborough
We don't really need more than two on an exposed action. One Senshi plus Fine plus Genjuro plus reinforcements plus recently healed should be sufficient for the West Gate. Bojo is not on the level of Matsu Nakatomi who had inspiring leadership on her side. One Senshi is sufficient for jail break.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
This is why a bunch of plans either ignore "rockets" or send someone other than Nanoha after the Jewel Seed.
Bonus points for targeting Godbinders while calling for reinforcements, so that we get more actions with less restrictions next turn.
Or, at least, get to dump those extra Senshi on the Godbinders
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- Location
- Arcadia
[X] Plan Mars Command
- Location
- Peterborough
When did Jupiter on Rockets become more popular? It's not even that good a plan- Jupiter is not going to be able to deal with the Rockets to anywhere near the same level as Nanoha, it breaks evasion and potentially costs us multiple Senshi, so it endangers both the helicopters and us.
We're better off putting Jupiter on the West Gate and Moon on the Godbinders.
We're better off putting Jupiter on the West Gate and Moon on the Godbinders.
A few thoughts.
I think the idea of sending two hero units a problem has merit, and is not a waste of resources. We have two vital areas we need to ensure do not fail, and sending two people instead of one is a guarantee.
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with that is the Evasion, and the subsequent fears of a Senshi being bound. And I want to go ahead and put forth a few things for that.
1) The Bonuses at work: Per Jupiter's last roll, we were looking at these as the bonuses
- Onogoro - 20 (She's No Kami) - 5 (Temporary Service Outage) + 3 (Familiar Signature) + 8 (Empty Face Spotters) = -14
- Jupiter + 15 (Evasive Tactics) + 15 (Done This Dance) + 5 (Foot Cavalry) - 5 (Very Conspicuous) + 5 (Melee Only) = +35
Onogoro only has two bonuses right now, the Signature bonus and the Spotters. We also have very strong reasons to believe that the cracked wheel from the attempt to bind Genjuro is going to give them another penalty. If the Empty Faces can't spot, that gives us another boost. And the rituals are happening near-simultaneously, so I don't think this accounts for Moon's hit against them either.
Dropping Evasive tactics and fighting at the West Gate, Jupiter would be looking at a +20 vs -15~ or about a 35 point difference. That is still significant. Yes, a 50 pts difference is safer, but it is not a guarantee of safety, especially putting her on rockets which will remove Melee only and make it a 45 pts difference. Additionally, we do not know what would happen if Two Senshi were in the same area and a binding was attempted. Would it only target one, and give us a big boost to that for the other assisting? Would it attempt to bind both and give us a bonus for that? There are routes here that are perfectly acceptable.
Mars would actually be at the most risk in the Prison, if the Empty Face can act as spotter, but she will also be directly fighting the empty face, so it may not be able to do so.
2) I'm not convinced being bound is a single roll. Call it metagaming if you want, but it would be weird to me that we could lose a Senshi from a single bad roll in this. Our closest failure still seemed like it was giving us an additional turn to react. Jupiter wasn't being bound when Lym cut the cords, she was being dragged to the location. Additionally, we don't necessarily "lose" a Senshi, depending on how the Binding works. If it drags us to the Command HQ and leaves us there... we take over for Mars, while attempting to break free. But also, we need to remember the Bindings always happen AFTER our actions. That means we could end up routing the West Gate and solving the Prison break, THEN get bound and need to deal with that. But by that point, the offensive is so shattered that losing a Senshi isn't actually a big deal. It would effectively just put them in a covered action, to use this rounds terminology.
TL;DR I don't think dropping Evasive is that risky, and even if we lose a single contested binding roll, I don't think it would be that harmful in the short or medium term.
I think the idea of sending two hero units a problem has merit, and is not a waste of resources. We have two vital areas we need to ensure do not fail, and sending two people instead of one is a guarantee.
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with that is the Evasion, and the subsequent fears of a Senshi being bound. And I want to go ahead and put forth a few things for that.
1) The Bonuses at work: Per Jupiter's last roll, we were looking at these as the bonuses
- Onogoro - 20 (She's No Kami) - 5 (Temporary Service Outage) + 3 (Familiar Signature) + 8 (Empty Face Spotters) = -14
- Jupiter + 15 (Evasive Tactics) + 15 (Done This Dance) + 5 (Foot Cavalry) - 5 (Very Conspicuous) + 5 (Melee Only) = +35
Onogoro only has two bonuses right now, the Signature bonus and the Spotters. We also have very strong reasons to believe that the cracked wheel from the attempt to bind Genjuro is going to give them another penalty. If the Empty Faces can't spot, that gives us another boost. And the rituals are happening near-simultaneously, so I don't think this accounts for Moon's hit against them either.
Dropping Evasive tactics and fighting at the West Gate, Jupiter would be looking at a +20 vs -15~ or about a 35 point difference. That is still significant. Yes, a 50 pts difference is safer, but it is not a guarantee of safety, especially putting her on rockets which will remove Melee only and make it a 45 pts difference. Additionally, we do not know what would happen if Two Senshi were in the same area and a binding was attempted. Would it only target one, and give us a big boost to that for the other assisting? Would it attempt to bind both and give us a bonus for that? There are routes here that are perfectly acceptable.
Mars would actually be at the most risk in the Prison, if the Empty Face can act as spotter, but she will also be directly fighting the empty face, so it may not be able to do so.
2) I'm not convinced being bound is a single roll. Call it metagaming if you want, but it would be weird to me that we could lose a Senshi from a single bad roll in this. Our closest failure still seemed like it was giving us an additional turn to react. Jupiter wasn't being bound when Lym cut the cords, she was being dragged to the location. Additionally, we don't necessarily "lose" a Senshi, depending on how the Binding works. If it drags us to the Command HQ and leaves us there... we take over for Mars, while attempting to break free. But also, we need to remember the Bindings always happen AFTER our actions. That means we could end up routing the West Gate and solving the Prison break, THEN get bound and need to deal with that. But by that point, the offensive is so shattered that losing a Senshi isn't actually a big deal. It would effectively just put them in a covered action, to use this rounds terminology.
TL;DR I don't think dropping Evasive is that risky, and even if we lose a single contested binding roll, I don't think it would be that harmful in the short or medium term.
- Location
- Arcadia
Hm, for this final Jeopardy round, the answer is the plan that will be decided for the next turn. Players, you have 30 seconds. Good luck.
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- Location
- Peterborough
If we put Sailor Moon on the godbinders, we can probably give an additional malus at minimum. Sailor Moon already knows one location/has seen it. It's safer to put her on godbinders and go for dropping evasion next turn if needed.
As for being safer/not safer for Jupiter against the godbinders, the foot cavalry modifier was from Lym. No other person on the battlefield other than Sailor Moon is in a position to help her in this way as they would all be too afraid to approach her. Maybe Genjuro or Meio might give Jupiter a positive modifier, but that's not guaranteed, and can potentially only take place if the battle is won. Another thing to point out is that melee only for Jupiter is something that could well have been lost because Jupiter's Thunder Bracers are one turn only and have already worn off, meaning Jupiter will be forced to use different tactics to remain as effective.
Another thing to consider with regards to the binding is where will Onogoro try to take us? It's presumably going to be somewhere out of the way, such that there is less risk of our allies breaking us free. For all we know, the plan could be to have the jailbreak take place, and then have Empty Faces secure bound Senshi in MCATs own cells until Onogoro manages to win this battle. Or simply place Empty Faces nearby when we are captured to minimise the chances of rescue during the battle.
Also, on the bonuses the godbinders receive, it's probable that the familiar signature will increase each attempt. Maybe by three each time, maybe by less, but either way the modifiers may not be quite so much in our favour. Genjuro's attempt does have another minus three from Rattled (the consequences of Sailor Moons hit on them) though, however we are going to need to wait to see what the consequences of the Genjuro attempt are.
As for being safer/not safer for Jupiter against the godbinders, the foot cavalry modifier was from Lym. No other person on the battlefield other than Sailor Moon is in a position to help her in this way as they would all be too afraid to approach her. Maybe Genjuro or Meio might give Jupiter a positive modifier, but that's not guaranteed, and can potentially only take place if the battle is won. Another thing to point out is that melee only for Jupiter is something that could well have been lost because Jupiter's Thunder Bracers are one turn only and have already worn off, meaning Jupiter will be forced to use different tactics to remain as effective.
Another thing to consider with regards to the binding is where will Onogoro try to take us? It's presumably going to be somewhere out of the way, such that there is less risk of our allies breaking us free. For all we know, the plan could be to have the jailbreak take place, and then have Empty Faces secure bound Senshi in MCATs own cells until Onogoro manages to win this battle. Or simply place Empty Faces nearby when we are captured to minimise the chances of rescue during the battle.
Also, on the bonuses the godbinders receive, it's probable that the familiar signature will increase each attempt. Maybe by three each time, maybe by less, but either way the modifiers may not be quite so much in our favour. Genjuro's attempt does have another minus three from Rattled (the consequences of Sailor Moons hit on them) though, however we are going to need to wait to see what the consequences of the Genjuro attempt are.
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- Location
- United States
[X] Plan: You know what you doing, take off every zig!
[X] Plan Moon Jail, Nanoha Back-Up
[X] Plan Bring Venus Back, Jupiter on Rockets
[X] Plan Moon Jail, Nanoha Back-Up
[X] Plan Bring Venus Back, Jupiter on Rockets