It WOULD be fairly hilarious to slap Metallia with them.
Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
Yeah, if anyone here could actually trace a vague magical signature back to its source, point A to point Z by skipping everything in between in 3-space, I'd actually bet more on Usagi and her crazy nonsensical instinct-casting than on anyone else. Now, do I give that a good chance of actually happening? Not really, but I'd still put it at >0%.
- Location
- Peterborough
The thing is, Nanoha would have an easier time tracking our magic than trying to backtrack using sympathetic stuff. We had the spell circuit filled with our own magic, so asking Raising Heart to find the aftereffects of our specific magic would allow him to locate the binding circles.
Questioning with Rei may lead to locations more immediately, but what do we do with the mage next? He can't be held elsewhere on site due to the Empty Face infiltration, and having an Onogoran in the command centre is just asking for trouble. We give him to Rei, we'll have to find some means of containing him such that there is no chance of him revealing Rei's location. Wouldn't it be better to secure him first before trying to get answers? Make sure there's no means to magically track him, ensure he can't know enough details such that if an Empty Face finds him, they can't use anything he may find out to have an easier time hurting us, the whole works. We shouldn't try to rush things as we near the finishing line.
And as for the air cavalry, we were told to keep the rockets from firing for the next turn. We don't actively need Nanoha dealing with rockets unless we receive a second wave immediately after the first.
Questioning with Rei may lead to locations more immediately, but what do we do with the mage next? He can't be held elsewhere on site due to the Empty Face infiltration, and having an Onogoran in the command centre is just asking for trouble. We give him to Rei, we'll have to find some means of containing him such that there is no chance of him revealing Rei's location. Wouldn't it be better to secure him first before trying to get answers? Make sure there's no means to magically track him, ensure he can't know enough details such that if an Empty Face finds him, they can't use anything he may find out to have an easier time hurting us, the whole works. We shouldn't try to rush things as we near the finishing line.
And as for the air cavalry, we were told to keep the rockets from firing for the next turn. We don't actively need Nanoha dealing with rockets unless we receive a second wave immediately after the first.
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
In regards to the Godbinder, I say we just yeet the guy and ask Nanoha to drop a couple of blasts on the location (if Usagi can provide the coordinates).
There isn't time for anyone to interrogate the guy and he was an important part of the ritual. Taking him out of play helps our side and smashing the ritual site only makes things worse for Onogoro.
There isn't time for anyone to interrogate the guy and he was an important part of the ritual. Taking him out of play helps our side and smashing the ritual site only makes things worse for Onogoro.
She probably can't, place was inside and there weren't any windows
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Given how many rockets were flying at the helicopters and are being intercepted by Nanoha, it seems extremely unsafe for helicopters to continue to operate over MCAT headquarters or anywhere near it unless someone or something is stopping the rockets about as thoroughly as Nanoha was.
Now, with the transport helicopters that were flying in the reinforcement infantry touched down, at least the danger of one rocket blowing up like 10-15 or more guys in a single blast is reduced. But the attack helicopters are still vulnerable, and might not be able to operate effectively without Nanoha's escort or some other similarly reliable anti-rocket defense.
...And this has stopped Nanoha when?
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
Hmm...I hadn't considered that. Do we have any idea how visible the godbinding circles are, now that Sailor Moon did her thing?
Don't know, but I guess never. Though it would stop Usagi from giving coordinates
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The problem isn't Nanoha trashing the building, the problem is knowing which building Nanoha needs to trash.
Touche. However-
Far as I can tell? According to the update we might as well have marked them all with a pilar of light.
We just have to send someone after them.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well, there was a Lunar Rainbow Burst.
The big question is what was seen visually from outside the building, and whether the aftermath of a Lunar Rainbow Burst automatically leaves easily detectable traces.
Are the buildings in question suddenly emitting big permanent clouds of rainbow smoke-light? Or would you have to do the equivalent of going inside and waving a magic Geiger counter around to realize what happened? Do all twelve buildings with active circles have big obvious markers, or did most of the magic go into Unlucky Circle Nineteen with the rest of the circles just getting an echo that would be much harder to find?
The big question is what was seen visually from outside the building, and whether the aftermath of a Lunar Rainbow Burst automatically leaves easily detectable traces.
Are the buildings in question suddenly emitting big permanent clouds of rainbow smoke-light? Or would you have to do the equivalent of going inside and waving a magic Geiger counter around to realize what happened? Do all twelve buildings with active circles have big obvious markers, or did most of the magic go into Unlucky Circle Nineteen with the rest of the circles just getting an echo that would be much harder to find?
This at least we do know since the sealing ritual was using the bursts as a targeting vector
She learned binds a couple of days after she meet Yuuno before ever meeting Fate between episode 2 and 3 in the episode 2.5 audio drama.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Ah.
Well, then it comes down to whether we assume that the quest's storyline is treating the events of the audio dramas as being canonical. I know that the publishers of Nanoha as a franchise do that specific thing, but they have different incentives than we do. Nobody's gonna challenge them on "why, if Nanoha knew all these spells so early on, do we not see her using them in the show?"
If Nanoha had in-character mentioned a run-in with a swimsuit-stealing Jewel Seed monster at a swimming pool, we'd know we were in a world where that was the case. As it is, all we have confirmed is that the anime episodes Ep1+2 and Ep4 went more or less as canon, and Ep3 went more or less as you might expect if canon had abruptly been interrupted by a whole-ass platoon of random Sailor Senshi and Pretty Cures getting dropped into the middle of Nanoha's heroic psychological meltdown over allowing a disaster to happen through her inaction.
Personally, I'm hesitating to assume Nanoha has an arsenal of techniques she hasn't yet demonstrated "on camera" within the quest itself. We've seen her use the Divine Buster 'big pink beam,' we've seen her fly, we've seen her use Divine Shooter energy bolts, we've seen her use Area Search while standing still and concentrating to direct the search.
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Spart117MC
Amateur human
- Location
- Cali
We shouldn't be quick to assume that it'll be easy to pick out the traces left behind by Usagi's casting of Lunar Rainbow Burst. It's possible that whatever methods the Ministry have employed to camouflage their ritual sites. Her magic may have overloaded the godbinding arrays, but that doesn't automatically translate to it messing with any illusion magic cast on the sites as well. Whatever protections have been cast on those sites, they have proven sufficient for hiding away active godbinding rituals, themselves not an insignicant weaving of magical power.
After looking up sympathetic and contagion magic some of the effects of them essentially seem to be like "spooky action at a distance" otherwise known as quantum entanglement.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Honestly, it doesn't sound like it so much "overloaded" them as that the circles just weren't designed to stop that spell at all because it never crossed anyone's mind that their attempt to bind a goddess in mid-teleport would result in them accidentally summoning her to one of the ritual circles.
Note that the same spell's visual effects also went right through the ward-barriers of Onogoro heavy infantry... mostly because it's literally nothing but a light-show to them and isn't hurting anyone.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Kiiinda. The thing about real quantum entanglement is that it has no persistence. You jostle one of the entangled particles and that's a form of 'observing' it as far as quantum mechanics is concerned, WHAM, the entangled state breaks.
The laws of sympathy and contagion are much much more resilient than that because they're based on the fictional belief that objects retain permanent or near-permanent mystical connections to each other, or that you can literally affect someone or something by affecting a toy model of them, even if the toy model has never actually been in their presence.
It's like saying that all forms of telekinesis are "kinda" like gravity in that they just arbitrarily work on all forms of matter indiscriminately.
Well either way we've got an oppertunity here, and frankly I'm willing to bet on Ms. White Meteor here.
- Location
- Colorado
Sure, for real quantum entanglement, but in fiction it's just sci-fi speak for sympathetic magic.
Yes i just brought it up because i recalled a databook entry talking about one of the core skills of magic in Nanoha is taking reactions that occur between things in nature like setting fire to something and controlling and triggering those reactions at will with mana. And that Quantum entanglement could be part of that and result in the quantum entanglement not being easily broken when done with magic.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Ask Samui if Sailor Moon can teleport into MCAT HQ and give the prisoner to Sailor Mars so that she can use Honest Flame on him. Mars and Moon can then interrogate him for the locations of the other ritual sites.
[X] Call Nanoha, Ask if there's anything Raising Heart can do to track down the godbinders with one of their number at her disposal
-[X] If yes, bring him to her
-[X] If no call Rei to inform her and Samui about an enemy combatant with information on the godbinders, ask if it's alright to bring him to Rei for interrogation and if not where to drop him, before doing as instructed
-[X] If yes, bring him to her
-[X] If no call Rei to inform her and Samui about an enemy combatant with information on the godbinders, ask if it's alright to bring him to Rei for interrogation and if not where to drop him, before doing as instructed
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