Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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"I suppose so. There are many reasons why I find your company a pleasure: your ideas, your voice, your Way, but it would be a lie to say that a large part is not simply your captivating beauty," he said, casual as anything.

Ling Qi felt her cheeks grow hot. "Stop that."

The worst thing was that right here and now, looking him directly in the eye, there was no way for her to convince herself that he was lying or even exaggerating. The senses that allowed her to parse even the intentions of a sovereign didn't allow it.

"Say it once more, with honesty, and I will desist," Meng Dan said.

So it's taken me the better part of a day to articulate, but I think I've figured out what I don't like about the recent MD dance scene.
LQ told him to stop and he responded with a smug little quip about honesty.

There's a lot of cultivator BS going on, plus the usually inaccessible layer of internal monolog and conflict, but the, "I know you better than you have directly expressed in words to me just now" move is more stressful than endearing to me. The consequential discomfort for this instance is minimal, but it is a risky habit to welcome at scale for someone who aspires to an equal partnership.

It's stressful because it's a relatively tiny bad feeling mixed in with a lot of really good feelings. It'd be so easy to dissmiss, and it'd proooooobably be fine to do so most of the time, but what if the situation were advanced? Could I trust him to listen and stop as asked?

If she's allowed to "lie" that she wanted him to stop with the flattery, then she's allowed to "lie" when she plays off her irritation at his rebuttal as a villainess joke.

Flattery has never really been my thing, but that doesn't mean it can't float someone else's boat.

For all the folks who couldn't imagine how that scene could be less than perfect, I tried to clarify another perspective. Writing this all out has been as much about figuring out, "why don't I like the romance other people like?" as anything else.

Apparently I'm kinda paranoid.

Writing it all out like that makes it seem so harsh a judgement, but it took me a day to even try articulating the feeling.

IRL I wouldn't consciously register most of that, and I think I'd maybe just be a little more guarded around him in the future? Or a little sad/repressed and not know why?
 
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Mythos-Making of Memory
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Mythos - The Making of Memory

Its first experience was of being pulled from warm eternity, raw and bleeding and in agony. Stabbed into Mother's heart, the flame of creation, her scream ringing over it all, it was drawn white hot, white bone, thin as atmosphere and broad as the dark between stars. In Her hand It was turned, and plunged into freezing emptiness, and Father's roar could not be heard, but shook the roof of the world. It withdrew, dragging on the rough places in reality, an edge to end all edges, unstoppable and pitiless. It was grasped by Mother and Father, and set loose against all Others, to run them down in bright and dark places, in known and lost places. It slew swiftly for some, slowly for others, as they cried for mercy-love-hatred, and did not care. The Eternal Axe was forged from Mother's bones, and none could withstand It. Those who had not yet fallen quickly left behind those who fell, and they were lost to the abyss of It.

This went on, and on, and on, for the Going was It, and It was made of the Going, the Being. Mother named it Time, and said Its task was to keep separate and solid that which was/is/might be, this-because-of that, pattern, causality, future. There were those who sought to imitate Its nature, to hold still out of Its inexorable motion, to push forward faster against that which It held still, to unmake that-which-happened, those it cut down most swiftly, for It was the Eldest, and It would abide no competition. Smaller transgressions It ignored, for there was no challenge to Its supremacy in such small holdings-still, or flowings-swiftly. Mother's puppets had always been queer little things. It set down rules for the puppets, this-and-no-further, do-and-undo, to change and restore to proper order, and did not deign to tell them the rules. The puppets learned swiftly.

But largely, It merely set about its business, for that was its purpose. The initial war for which It was forged was over, but Its effects lasted, echoing down long corridors and back along threads invisible to all save those who wove them. The puppets called it Death, and Ending, and all It heard was Time, for those were also its names. Many attempted to gain Its attention, to appease or cajole or gain reaction, but It did not care, for Its work was in all of them. Eventually, the voices fell silent, but for the mouse-puppets that slid into Its domain to steal a rune, a blade of grass, a glimpse of Its nature. Often, It would let them feel Its edge before allowing them to escape, when the large-transgressions-that-might-have-been grew too close, and the puppets learned to listen when the edge pressed against them, and let the secret go.
And so It goes, into Eternity, for It is Eternity also.

Then, all at once, new Children came upon Mother, and went out into the dark with Her twin, bowing to Time as they went, and It acknowledged them and did not care. The two who Mother had named Sun and Moon lit all the dark spaces that Father had given them, passing gold and silver back and forth. The puppets were joyous, for many of the dark spaces held dangers for them, dangers that were-and-were-not Time, and It grew resentful that It was being diluted by such young and insignificant lights. For it was the Eldest, and It would abide no competition. First, It went to the Sun, gold and gleaming, and demanded His obedience. The Sun fought, and fought against Its grip, like one of the puppets' food-stuffs, but It would not relent. I am the end of all things, and not even my Mother's children may disobey, It spoke, and the Sun twisted relentlessly in Its grip.

"We are all Mother's children, so I need not bow! All are equal in Her love, and so You are no greater than I!" The Sun screamed, burning fiercely, and the land beneath his light grew brown and lifeless, the little puddles of the oceans began to steam and retreat, and the sharp points of the new, fierce mountains began to slump into molten slag like mortal candlewax. Eventually, the Sun slumped in Its grip, exhausted, while It remained motionless, for who can exhaust Time?

For your arrogance in challenging me, and to ensure your obedience, an Ending is upon you. However, Mother has forbidden me to End my Siblings, for that is the End of all Her works. So this End I bring to you. It raised the Sun and threw it, burning, against the roof of the sky, where He shattered into five pieces, like a water drop shattering on stone. I take from you your wholeness, the source of your disobedience. Forever shall you strive to find the balance you have lost, and all those who turn to you shall bring strife in their wake, upsetting balance and sowing discord. I shall come for them then, and End them as I End all things, and they shall be Ended as hollow things, to have spent their lives searching and never finding, that which you have destroyed Now.

Then, It sat down, for where the Sun went, the Moon was ever close by. It could not be said to wait, for Time does not wait for anyone. But the span between the breaking of the Sun and the Moon's arrival was not long, and She came stepping carefully across the winds, pulling clouds behind Her as a shawl and night as Her train, and Her light was cool and silver against the scorched puppet-world. The oceans grew cool under her light, for it cast no heat, and the clouds brought rain to fill them, and the land drank greedily of the water and the silver and began to grow green again, and the mountains cracked open and bled sluggish crystal vapor.

First, She bowed to It, saying "Elder Brother, I would see to my brother first, for the mortal world would die without his warmth and to live in pain is no life at all." It assented, perplexed at this last, and the Moon laid Her hand upon Her twin and He was made whole, but in five phases, so Time's decree was not broken, merely bent. The Sun fled then, from under His sister's hands, and took refuge in Mother's arms, crying at his treatment. But Time did not care for the Sun's tears or blood.

You are of Mother, but I do not claim you as Sibling. You will give me your obedience, child of my Mother, to follow the laws I set forward or be broken as your Brother was. It spoke, and reached out to grasp the Moon as It had grasped the Sun, preparing to break Her.

"Of course, Elder Brother. You are unbreakable and eternal, junior only to Mother and Father themselves." So saying, the Moon bowed low, even in Its hold, and did not rise. Time was taken aback, not expecting such a swift capitulation, and did not let go in its suspicion.

None bend so easily without being broken. Your brother did not bow. You seek to avoid punishment, and not true obedience to the rules I have made. You will subvert and betray. It began to tighten its hold, until the Moon cried out in pain and Mother cast a judgemental eye to his actions.

"Never, Elder Brother! It is through understanding that I obey! I understand the value of that which You are, and choose to follow the laws You are because I value those things also!" The Moon did not twist, or struggle, or shatter. She remained bowed in Time's painful grip, making no struggle.

All things struggle against me. Even those small mouse-puppets Mother loves so much, with their thievings from my domain, they would overthrow me if they could.

"It is as you say, Elder Brother. Yet, I will bow, and obey your laws."

Why? It relaxed its grip, and Its grip left dark marks across the Moon's face.

"Elder Brother, will You walk with me? I have only been existent for a short while, but I have observed the mortals for all of that time, and I believe You are missing something." The Moon asked, lifting Herself to her knees from where She had fallen. She sat very straight, in that strange puppet-shape that was not her Whole.

We will go together, and if your reasoning is not sound, I will break you as I broke your twin. Its tone was dismissive, not cruel, for It did not care.

And so, the Moon walked out on Her path, and Time walked with Her. She shifted as she walked, catching Her brother's radiance from behind Mother's arms, and gave that light to all in a more gentle form. Beneath Her, puppets slept and healed, or drew curved blades like Her smile against other puppets' throats. She directed some across great journeys, or to secrets It wasn't quite sure Mother would approve of the puppets knowing.

"Mother does not mind. Their lives are their own. What matters is their own choice, for choice changes the future. It changes the future into Now." The Moon mused as she walked, passing her hand over a group of puppets entering a building.

I am the Future, unchanging. Time answered, dismissively shifting a degrading puppet to a swift End.

"They cannot perceive all of you, Elder Brother. To them, they have only a small amount of existence. They pass through it, changing their minds swiftly, for how else should they live? When any day, You could come for them, as you did just now. Can you not hear them wailing?" The Moon asked, pausing by the weeping family of the degraded puppet.

I hear. It will not stop me from my work. They tried many times in the early days, to persuade me to stop, to subvert me. All were denied. It turned and looked at Her, still at the window of that puppet-family

"I am not asking you to stop. I am asking you to accept, to understand. These mortals do not expect their father to return, no matter how they scream. Endings are final, so you have decreed." She turned away and continued walking. "But what if they could keep something of their father? Not spirit or flesh. You take all that is Ended and make it of yourself, as is your right. But even you must have experiences that you wish to keep."

Time walked quietly, and more of the Moon caught Her brother's light, and It saw many puppets out in large groups with fires between them, moving swiftly, with loud sound behind them.

What do they do there? Those puppets. It is ... curious.

"Elder Brother, they are celebrating a festival. They have stored all the food they have grown, and they prepare to begin again."

Not the festival. The sound.

"Music? Elder Brother, surely you must have encountered music before."

I have not noticed the creaking of puppets since long before you were made, child of my Mother. It was less before, mere thumping noises. This is different.

"It is true that mortals have many ways of making music, with voice or tools." The Moon shifted, a blade of a smile crossing her face. "I have heard some mortals say that art decorates the fabric of reality, but only music can decorate Time. So, do you have a favorite?"

It considered, before shaking its head and saying, I care not, which made the Moon make a face of such disappointment that It felt chagrined, as if being scolded by Mother. Is this the thing you wished me to see?

The Moon sighed. "Elder BRother, this and many other things. These are why I do submit to your law, in honesty and without deceit. You might be Ending, but You are also Being. All these little mortals, who you deride as Mother's puppets, even though she has given them Growth and Choice, have life because You choose to give them space to live in. Even in Your benign neglect, all this is Yours. Every festival, every song, every kiss under my light. These lives that are so beneath Your notice, so easily wiped out." The Moon scrubbed her eyes with a trail of fog, leaving dark patches where Her light could not touch. "I wish You would acknowledge that part of Yourself. Give them something to keep, Elder Brother, you who hold all things close in the end. The past has always affected the future. Let them have something that does not hurt. Something of life." She bowed, and rain fell from beneath the sheet of Her night-dark hair.

And what would this great gift be, child of my Mother? It grew harsh as a slow rage began to fill it. Those who have gone before have no gifts for those who have not. There are only those whom I have Ended and those who I have not yet Ended.

"Those who Are.", said the Moon, and the line of Her slumped, dejected.

As the festival slowed its frantic whirl, and the puppets slowly split off in twos, or threes, or fours with smaller puppets trailing, Time turned Its attention to the Moon, as broken as thoroughly as It had broken Her twin, then back to the puppets.

I am in all things. All things are mine. Choose one, child of my Mother. They will be Ended.

The Moon looked at It, horrorstruck. "You would End one? Now? By my choosing? Elder Brother, I relied on your dispassion in hopes to prevent such! Have I done something to displease you?"

Choose, It said, turning its attention fully on the Moon. And be careful, for they argue for their entire race with your choice.

The Moon bent further, almost curved double in sorrow, and gestured at one of the music-makers. "That one. They have no family to mourn them, and they were merely traveling through. They have walked far with me. I suppose they should End with me as well."

They end with Me. Time reached out, and Ended the music-maker. But instead of dismissing it, Time brought it close, and breathed it in, and with the breath came sensation.

[Breath, ragged and coarse in the lungs. Alcohol and spice and sweetness, grease from fried doughs and meats. The cooling night air, and the moon high above, her eye full and round upon him. A truly excellent night, but he had never had a bad one, traveling under the moon. He poured out a small portion of the alcohol he had been drinking for Her. Pretty good stuff, for some backwoods village. And these people could dance, always begging for "One more song, Uncle, please?" The drums had pounded and they danced, for who knows when death would come for any of them? He shifted against the stone, still warm from the unreasonably hot day, even as the moon came out from behind flickering clouds. Laughter, and singing, and dancing, and not a few kisses, he smirked. If only the night could last a little longer-]

Ahhh. It turned to face the Moon, still slumped against the curve of a waterfall, poking dejectedly at a fish. That was what you wanted me to see.

The Moon blinked at him, somber, crushed. "Elder Brother, I hardly see how it matters now. That mortal has Ended."

I am in all things. All things are mine. But they are heavy, child of my Mother. I stopped listening to their voices when they were less than beasts. They made me slow and foolish. I still have no wish to carry them. But you chose well, and that puppet-, It shifted, feeling the burning weight of the Ending still close to the surface, -that mortal... it argued well for its race. Time turned its attention to the Moon and, with an effort, twisted into a puppet-shape such as She wore, not even a fraction of Its entire self.

This is the gift you argued for. I will grant it, for it relieves me of a burden I do not want and does not diminish me in any way. Time extended one of Its puppet arms, and the Moon took Its hand. As Mother made at the beginning, so we will make now. I name this thing Memory, not merely remembering, to feel again as if the past was Now, even though it will never be again. To take into the Mortal Self that which is valuable, and make it a part of them. You, child of my Mother, shall govern this thing, and all who gaze upon you will be struck with it, in the cold and the warm, in plenty and starvation. It shall drive them forward without end, and into great strife, but also into great joy and prosperity. Rejoice, Moon, for you have succeeded where no one has ever done so before.

The Moon was shaking, as if realizing what a terrible thing She had caused to be made, for with Memory came Revenge and Grief and Longing, hidden in its wake. Time let go Her hand, and the puppet-shape half dissolved into nothing, leaving only a heatshimmer-void in its place.

Is this not what you wished for, child of my Mother? To subvert my power? It loomed over Her, boundless, and Its grip fell on Her once again, and did not stop.

The Moon shattered in Its grip, eight pieces instead of five and fell to the ground.
You are less strong than your twin. He fought me until he could not continue, then broke. You merely broke. And there is no one to fit you back together. Time moved away then to resume its path. An interesting diversion, but not worth much. Memory was disposable in the end, and nothing was truly lost to It. All would return to Time.

"Elder Brother, you did not permit my answer." The Moon's voice was small and level, and She still lay curled across the waterfall, but the eight pieces were already fusing back together. Indeed, Time saw that there had never been a whole Moon, but rather a whole of eight pieces, one made of eight, eight made one, the cracks and boundaries between shards fading swiftly as She healed. Its grip had not done as much damage as It had thought, only exhausting her.

I did not, for It does not matter. You have what you wanted.

"I will speak anyway then, since it does not matter. I accept the rules of time, for I am tied to it. My path is in Your footsteps, only lighter. Mother told me of You, when She first made us. My Brother scoffed and said such a thing wasn't needed, that things should never End, that everything should be glorious under His light. He still played with me, passing the light back and forth, but it never felt correct after that. I didn't understand, at first. Then Mother told me how You were made, and what You did to protect us all. I learned to turn aside my Brother's light as I pleased, and made a pattern, and kept it. My Brother thought I was broken, now that I did not catch all His light all the time. My pattern was proof of Your power, Elder Brother. You are the one who makes space for Life to happen, and be remembered in."

As the Moon spoke, Time swung closer and drew Itself down nearby Her. The recent Ending gave context and It mused on the concept of "sibling admiration" for a space. Not a displeasing feeling. The Moon appeared so very like Mother when disappointed. I cannot be anything other than I am, child of my Mother. I am in all things. All things are mine. It is mine to protect Mother's creations, to End those who would breach Her law and mine. You and your brother will abide by that law, and care for the mortals. You, however, caused Memory to be made, a burden I did not wish for and am glad to set down. It is yours to govern and care for, as the mortals are. I entrust this to you, the records of mortal life, for you have taken my law before I asked.

The Moon raised Her head, eyes liquid silver in the dark and a new law was made. Time held The Moon, and straightened Her, and set Her on Her path again. "Elder Brother, I will not betray your trust."

You will not. For this gift, your Ended mortal has given to you. Your brother defied me, and may never address me again. Never will I acknowledge him as Sibling, and the threat of my ire shall lay heavy on his domain. Every mortal under the Sun shall feel the weight of every Light, and never forget that the ending of the Light brings them closer to Me and my End. However, You are my Little Sister, and I claim You as such. Only You may call to me and receive an answer, and I lift the threat of My displeasure from Your realm. Go about Your path, Little Sister, and do the work Mother has given to you.

They parted then, Time withdrawing His attention and the Moon continuing on Her path. And so it was, from that day to this. Rarely have the two spoken since, but the fragment of Time that the Moon was bestowed is evident in every cherished time, every festival, every song which memory keeps us Mortals alive, for when we truly love something, the Moon sees, and tugs on Her Elder Brother's robe, and he permits time to run a little slower, so we may have more time to be beloved in. For Elder Brothers are strong in all things, except resistance to their Little Sister's earnest requests.
 
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Apparently I'm kinda paranoid.

Writing it all out like that makes it seem so harsh a judgement, but it took me a day to even try articulating the feeling.

IRL I wouldn't consciously register most of that, and I think I'd maybe just be a little more guarded around him in the future? Or a little sad/repressed and not know why?

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Your spoiler formatting is broken, you don't need the / in the first half of the Spoiler tag. But aside from that... Yeah, mildly paranoid. Like, if you tell them to back off, and do so honestly, but they brush you off then too? Sure, they've proven themselves either willing to overstep boundaries, or completely blind... but they have no actual power over you, so you can just cut ties and disallow further courting.

And if they do back off when they recognize that you're uncomfortable, and avoid doing so again? Then that's a good thing. All cultivators (and arguably all people, period.) should aspire to know eachother well enough to recognize that kinda thing, in my opinion. If you don't know them well enough to read them emotionally, do you really love them instead of just your idealized version of them? And if they can't recognize your tells, doesn't the same logic apply?
 
[X] …The Patriarch of Jia had given her something of a boon and curse, with his little revelation. She had noticed quite a few eyes from the nobles of the thundering hills region on her back tonight. They were southern nobility as well, so their thoughts on her accomplishments would be useful too.

Cash in on opportunities when they show up
 
Time/Death/Ending pov is interesting. It probably wouldn't be something known except to the most powerful attuned Moon Cultivators/Spirits
 
[x] She would ingratiate herself with the group of foundations region nobles, they liked her best, and could give her a closer eye on how sentiment about the summit was spreading under the ones most effected.
 
So it's taken me the better part of a day to articulate, but I think I've figured out what I don't like about the recent MD dance scene.
LQ told him to stop and he responded with a smug little quip about honesty.

There's a lot of cultivator BS going on, plus the usually inaccessible layer of internal monolog and conflict, but the, "I know you better than you have directly expressed in words to me just now" move is more stressful than endearing to me. The consequential discomfort for this instance is minimal, but it is a risky habit to welcome at scale for someone who aspires to an equal partnership.

It's stressful because it's a relatively tiny bad feeling mixed in with a lot of really good feelings. It'd be so easy to dissmiss, and it'd proooooobably be fine to do so most of the time, but what if the situation were advanced? Could I trust him to listen and stop as asked?

If she's allowed to "lie" that she wanted him to stop with the flattery, then she's allowed to "lie" when she plays off her irritation at his rebuttal as a villainess joke.

Flattery has never really been my thing, but that doesn't mean it can't float someone else's boat.

For all the folks who couldn't imagine how that scene could be less than perfect, I tried to clarify another perspective. Writing this all out has been as much about figuring out, "why don't I like the romance other people like?" as anything else.

Apparently I'm kinda paranoid.

Writing it all out like that makes it seem so harsh a judgement, but it took me a day to even try articulating the feeling.

IRL I wouldn't consciously register most of that, and I think I'd maybe just be a little more guarded around him in the future? Or a little sad/repressed and not know why?
If it's any help, I think the instance in this update was a consequence of the limited omniscient perspective following Ling Qi. The narrative follows Ling Qi's observation of the world, so it sometimes doesn't offer the same detail in characterizing her actions as opposed to those of others. There's a gap in scrutiny innate to the narrative form.

I think the straightforward answer, as you allude to, is that Ling Qi's delivery wasn't exactly convincing. And then Meng Dan's line is basically "Are you sure you want me to stop calling you pretty?", and Ling Qi concedes the issue with deflection/humor because that's not actually a thing she wants him to stop.

Yours is definitely the sort of concerns to keep eyes on, though, yeah.
 
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If it's any help, I think the instance in this update was a consequence of the limited omniscient perspective following Ling Qi. The narrative follows Ling Qi's observation of the world, so it sometimes doesn't offer the same detail in characterizing her actions as opposed to those of others. There's a gap in scrutiny innate to the narrative form.

I think the straightforward answer, as you allude to, is that Ling Qi's delivery wasn't exactly convincing. And then Meng Dan's line is basically "Are you sure you want me to stop calling you pretty?", and Ling Qi concedes the issue with deflection/humor because that's not actually a thing she wants him to stop.

Yours is definitely the sort of concerns to keep eyes on, though, yeah.
That is the intention there, yes. I suppose I should add a line about 'not even sounding convincing to herself' or something.

Two hour warning on the vote tho
 
LQ told him to stop and he responded with a smug little quip about honesty.

There's a lot of cultivator BS going on, plus the usually inaccessible layer of internal monolog and conflict, but the, "I know you better than you have directly expressed in words to me just now" move is more stressful than endearing to me.
Flattery has never really been my thing, but that doesn't mean it can't float someone else's boat.
It's an interesting case both in reality and depicting in writing, glad you expounded on it because it def resonated with me too! Hence this minor tome.

I think you're misrepresenting things though by calling this flattery, flattery being "excessive and insincere praise, given especially to further one's own interests."

Agreed if this was Ling Qi expressing an earnest boundary and Meng Dan trampling over it with "I know you better" that's bad. That move is generally shit, believe people when they say things! But! I don't think that's what's going on here.

Also agreed Ling Qi initially perceives this as flattery, and in the past she's poo pooed and denied when people say she's pretty, because she doesn't believe them. And here I think saying stop was just more of that, assuming this was flattery as you say. Not liking flattery, not liking exaggerated complimentary lies makes sense to me esp for a Ling Qi so concerned with Truth.

But! Ling Qi is advanced far into the 3rd Realm! As she points out internally after saying stop, she realizes no with her domain she can spot a liar and these aren't empty words, he really truly means them. That's why she was blushing rather than unaffectedly demurring. Because she knew he meant every word.

IRL this is a trickier issue because we don't have domains that can spot lying, we just have our own intuition, does the complimenter mean it or are they flattering because they want sex or to be forgiven or whatnot? I've definitely been the Meng Dan before (if not so suave lol) with a person who had a shit opinion of themselves, and certainly made them uncomfortable from time to time by saying my honest thoughts. In my own experience if a partner blushes while saying stop when I'm complimenting them, that hasn't been them expressing an earnest boundary, but rather discomfort with believing they're actually wonderful in whichever dimension.

Which is definitely a confirmed thing here, Ling Qi being uncomfortable that yes, plenty of people truly find her beautiful. I don't think that's on Meizhen, or Meng Dan, or Xuan Shi though. Granted, if Meng Dan harps on it knowing it discomfits her, agreed I don't love that. But I don't think it's wrong to make somebody uncomfortable via earnest praise, from time to time.

Another wrinkle is he is Meng Dan of the Hidden Moon! Wouldn't be surprised if he can actually tell if she's lying too. A comment from him implying he knows her better than her stated words, might just be a request for honesty because he can literally tell. Initial stages of romance are certainly different when our girl and mayhaps our boy can detect lies lol.

Bao and Xuan disadvantaged because they can't read her?? We shall see!
 
Adhoc vote count started by barty on Feb 13, 2025 at 1:11 PM, finished with 115 posts and 68 votes.
 
Personally, i thought it was pretty obvious it was one of those 'saying something you don't actually mean' sort of things. Like, he literally says 'say it again and i'll stop' and Ling Qi pretty distinctly doesn't do that. She instead makes a joke about the situation.
 
Initial stages of romance are certainly different when our girl and mayhaps our boy can detect lies lol.

Ain't that the TRUTH

It's a whole new way of thinking. Huge swaths of population now verifyably trustworthy or untrustworthy with just a few moments of interaction. Not the typical outlook of an inexperienced teenager.

Good analysis all around, y'all.
 
Meng Dang is asserting a position of at least equivalancy with Ling Qi regarding the assessment of the truth of his statement, via his personal knowledge of her Domain, Concepts, and Way. He isn't overridding her personhood, only the consistency of LQ holding to her insights. He's deflecting LQ's counter to his compliment by implicitly mentioning that he knows that LQ can sense the truth value of the statements of her cultivation peers, in order to ensure the delivery of the honest compliment on her beauty he wanted her to receive.

It kinda feels like he's flirting with us the readers. {!/?}

"I know you well enough to know that you know when people are lying to you, and I know that you should know that I knew that you would know. So you can't tell me to stop saying that you are beautiful, because you are too honest to lie to yourself about wether I should really stop doing that. I'm not overstepping, you're just embarrassed; that isn't enough reason actually stop complimenting you on your beauty."
 
So much of this stuff is about vibes though, not legalist reasoning. There can definitely be multiple reads of the same passages, and we should remember that there's no right or wrong emotional response to prose, just personal ones.

Personally, I liked it. I like the scholarly type with hidden depths for the musician girl who is still learning who she is. I think that the big question comes from the crushes Qi has shown so far; they tend to revolve around well built men- is Meng Dan as hot to her physically as he is to us verbally?

That's turtle boy's actual angle, and potentially the Bao's as well. Trade off dry wit and directness for lip-bitingly hot abs and shoulders.

As long as there is a good person who is good for Qi I'm open to them. Let the games continue!
 
Personally, I liked it. I like the scholarly type with hidden depths for the musician girl who is still learning who she is. I think that the big question comes from the crushes Qi has shown so far; they tend to revolve around well built men- is Meng Dan as hot to her physically as he is to us verbally?
He's not her usual type, she first described him as very feminine looking, but he has seemed to have massively grown on her. Even Sixiang mentions him expanding Qi's horizons and she has called him handsome multiple times in her inner monologue so I think we can assume she's physically attracted to him even if his body type isn't usually what she goes for (Jin Tae, Han Jian and Lao Kueng are examples of the type she's usually attracted to, Jin Tae actually made her check herself for compulsion with how hot he was at first glance).
 
I'll still release commission chapters on the normal release days during that week, but if you'd like to read them all as they come, you can join me on my Patreon, even the lowest tier gets access to all special content, including the now completed 'Serpent's Eyes' side story, Journey to the East and the upcoming Sun Liling/Ji Rong sidestory I'll be working on in the future.
This looks interesting! Congrats for too much success I suppose?
Is the Sun Liling and Ji Rong sidestory also a contained story like the Serpent's Eyes? or will it run parallel to LQs adventures?
 
Year 46: Month 1 Arc 5-5
"Ah, Baroness Ling. Excellent to finally meet you in person! Such a standout."

Mei Jiayi was the daughter of a viscount under the Jia clan. She was nearly a hundred years Ling Qi's senior, but she was equal in cultivation and in charge of her family's arts patronage. She'd been one of those in Hou Zhuang's lists. Ling Qi found her easy to connect with, asking for details on arranging patronage for common cultivators and some details on her project with Hanyi, which the older woman found fascinating.

Sixiang's interpretation of her voice had been eerily prescient. She had a naturally loud and attention-grabbing voice.

"Mah, you can pick up a lot of a person from how they write, knew she'd be yang-y" Sixiang dismissed.

It was especially amusing because Mei Jiayi's head only just reached her chest in height, but she was finding that was honestly pretty common. The other woman wore a dress of bright red, contrasted with darker lines of black embroidery, tracing out curling organic lines like stylized vines or branches. Her hair was cut into a short bob but adorned with pale rose-pink flowers.

"Lady Mei, as bright as I imagined you to be," Ling Qi said pleasantly, offering a short bow, which she received in turn. "I apologize that I haven't been able to arrange something sooner."

"Oh, no need for that. You've been so busy! I hope things are going well with your junior sister's performance circuit?"

"It has been; she's been quite enamored with it, all she thinks of, for the most part. Has my advice on spirit communion borne any fruit?"

"It got her a dunking come the flood season," another of the ladies nearby tittered.

Perhaps half a dozen others were nearby; she didn't recognize them all, but the cut and colors all indicated Thundering Hills nobility. The hills were the southeastern region, named for their many waterfalls, as they along the path the headwaters of the Jing River carved through the mountains and hills.

"Hmph, as if I'm afraid of putting my hands upon the hilt occasionally. I am, in fact, quite satisfied. The Mistress of the Whitecap Whorls has been much more agreeable lately." Mei Jianyi huffed. "What are a few bruises for that?"

"A few more than I would like," the other woman said; she was taller by a little and more slender compared to Mei Jiayi. "But I suppose now I know what has put such ideas in your head."

"I shant apologize for giving good advice," Ling Qi said cordially. "It's gotten me quite far, miss…"

"Teng Zang, fourth daughter of Viscount Teng," she introduced herself, fluttering a fan in front of her face as she offered the small customary bow. The others introduced themselves as well. A collection of young misses, ranging from a decade her elder to more in Mei Jiayi's range, from viscount and baron families in the region. If she had to judge from the dynamics… Mei Jiayi and Teng Zang were the 'heads' of this little clique, though there was nothing so formal here.

They were all certainly here on the guest list as attachments to their mothers and fathers, who were, in turn, here as guests of Jia Hong and his clan, giving face to their vassals. It was a stark reminder of how utterly out of place she was at her age and status and how that… bent expectations.

They hid it very well, enough so that she would never hold it against them, but there was a slight hesitation in every interaction, these ladies having to catch themselves from treating her as lower status than she was. Nothing egregious, just hitches on the exact etiquette they should be using with her.

"But honestly, Baroness. I do wonder if you are trying to overawe the field with the rumors you've been generating today. What plots does the heiress have? She needs you to give her such cover," Mei Jiayi said jokingly as the introductions wound down.

"Ah, that would be telling, wouldn't it, Lady Mei," Ling Qi said.

"At the very least, won't you say something of your encounter with the patriarch? There's been rumor that he might have been involved with your summit…." Teng Zang said.

"I'm afraid not. He is hardly my teacher, only… a senior brother." Ling Qi said airily. "I had not met him before this day."

"And who is it who could have mentored you both," one of the others said, an edge of hunger for information in her voice.

"I'm afraid our teacher prefers their privacy… Honestly. I think my senior brother is playing a bit of a joke himself," she sighed, resting a hand on her cheek. "I was only to pass a message, to and fro. It was shocking enough that Senior Brother chose to take a moment to debate certain cultivation matters with me… Patriarch Jia is generous indeed."

"...Yes, our great patriarch is quite jovial," Teng Zang said. However, she could not hide a little frown. That was fine with Ling Qi. People would be curious now, more curious about what they spent their time under veiling speaking about. Cultivation an obvious, easy answer. It helped that her explanation was true but without detail.

The furor of people digging for what the message was definitely wasn't going to die down. If she had to guess the most likely direction for rumors to spread…

"Elder Jiao and Auntie Xin. In fact, I'd half bet that guy was deliberately tweaking old man Jiao's nose with that."

Disturbingly plausible.

"I found him pleasant conversation, but I understand how he could overwhelm," Ling Qi said. "I can see without a doubt why he is one of her Grace's most esteemed allies. The Thundering Hills is fortunate to have such a lord."

She observed the reactions; it was about what she expected, the usual gamut of polite agreements. But there was a small frisson of discontent in the spirits. Nothing strong.

But, judging from where it began… the connection to the Duchess. Not disloyalty to the provincial throne, nor even dislike of its policies… Ah, that was it. She knew that the Jia family was perhaps the most openly dedicated to central rule, even to the detriment of their privileges and power as counts. It was their strongest 'quirk'. Even the Wang, the other new clan elevated after the fall of the Hui, didn't present such zeal toward centralization.

She supposed she couldn't be surprised that not even all of their own vassals were pleased with this.

"Oh yes, indeed. Our men stream north; even one of my brothers has gone to sign up for the Horned Legion. A strong spine of Jia armsmen will be the core of the provincial army; you'll see, Baroness. No one has quite the same eye for discipline as men of the Thundering Hills," Mei Jiayi said proudly.

"It is true; there are no finer soldiers in the province," Teng Zang said. "Well, I hope they aren't kept busy doing drills in the central valley instead of the borderlands for too long. I have looked into the numbers called for in your Summit Treaty… the expansion is tantalizing, but I fear we may become a little overstretched."

"Reasonable, though there is no rush, I am certain by the time the new roads and byways have been carved in the mountains, the Legion will be taking up active duties," Ling Qi said.

She traded pleasantries for a while longer. It gave her a better snapshot of the things; while the lesser clans of the Foundations-the foothills her Shenglu could be considered part of, were a bit less enthused about things, it seemed the pain point of contention was their overlord's centralist policies…

If she wasn't associated with them before, she supposed she certainly was now. Just something to keep in mind when interacting with the eastern end of the province. Their greater security gave them a different point of view from the clans that occupied the foundations… which, in fairness, was partly down to the overall Meng clan not being… the best stewards of imperial-aligned vassals.

"Ah, but I see your suitor is seeking your attention. Go, go, Baroness Ling. But you must tell me about how that came about," Mei Jiayi's words shook her from her thoughts.

"I'm afraid I can't comment on such things… today," Ling Qi said, drawing some amused titters from her audience. "Have a good evening, everyone."

She saw Meng Dan there, hovering in the corner of her vision, far enough away not to be imposing but enough to get her attention. She turned to him as she left the chattering noblewoman behind, eyes scanning over the person he was with. A Luo, if she judged right, went by the mantle of black fur thrown over broad shoulders, and the bone worked into the jewelry that dangled from the woman's pierced ear and lip.

She was quite big, only a bit shorter than Ling Qi and Meng Dan, and probably a bit broader than both of them put together. Her hair was luminous silver, almost looking like strands but metal, but thick and shaggy rather than smooth and straight

The other woman caught her eye and waved, smiling brightly. The ring pierced through her lip glinted, a bit thicker in the middle; it was…

An upturned crescent.

"Now there's a troublemaker."

"Meng Dan, welcome back. Did your own conversations go well?" Ling Qi asked.

"Oh, I enjoyed catching up. Many of my colleagues have gotten quite deep in their cups though," Meng Dan said.

"Not all of us can have a gut of adamant like you," the Luo woman beside him laughed. "Luo Yaling, nice to meet the one that's gotten this one's nose out of the tomes."

Meng Dan gave a put-upon sigh. "Baroness Ling, let me introduce Luo Yaling, who has been my Senior Sister at the Blue Mountain Sect in the past. She has been a great help in my library expeditions, so please overlook her rougher edges."

"Rude little brat," Luo Yaling huffed. She was… the peak of the third realm, a few years older than Meng Dan or herself, but still much closer than most at this party. "Good to meetcha. You're all kinds of mixed up, aren't you?"

"So I've been told, but the stolen winds run through it all," Ling Qi said.

Luo Yaling grinned. "So it does. Though, I gotta say, you're a little weighed down for a dancer."

"It's true. I can't walk such a pure path," Ling Qi said.

The older girl, she could feel was wind through and through, bright, clear… and tightly contained, a coil of frenetic energy wound tight, like a gale trapped in a bag.

"Hmhm, well, you've obviously got something our mutual friend likes going," Luo Yaling shrugged. "Heh, you've certainly stolen this one out from under me."

Meng Dan rolled his eyes. Ling Qi chuckled. There was no heat or jealousy in the other woman's voice… or even any real claim. She was purely prodding Ling Qi to get a rise out of her.

"A grinning dancer shouldn't hesitate to grasp what they desire," Ling Qi said, smiling politely.

"Fair! Junior brother, this exalted sister will give you her tentative approval," Luo Yaling said.

"I am ever so thankful," Meng Dan said dryly. "But, Senior Sister, I did not bring you to meet Ling Qi merely to embarrass myself."

"Foolish of you," she said cheerfully

"Perhaps," he sighed. "But, it was too…

[ ] To let you both discuss some finer points liminal movement with a peer.

[ ] To allow you to pick one another's minds on spirit communion.
 
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[X] To let you both discuss some finer points liminal movement with a peer.
Leaning more toward this for now. Debating Liminal movement stuff with someone who practices the Way of the Zoomies sounds fun!~ :p
 
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[X] To let you both discuss some finer points liminal movement with a peer.
 
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