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- USA
[x] [Medea]
Fate/Clusterfuck (Fate/Stay Night)
- Thread starter Erien
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- Mature Fantasy Modern
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- Reader
- Location
- Russia
[x] [Medea]
No reason other than that I think there wasn't enough Medea in this fic, not yet.
No reason other than that I think there wasn't enough Medea in this fic, not yet.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
From how Shirou is going through what he's been told, pointing out the refrains, I get the vibe that he's… tired of being treated like he's a kid. That he has no initiative or ability to influence things. "It's not your fault, you're just ignorant and powerless", "That's just how it is, Magi are incapable of being anything other than cruel and callous".
Kid's got no hard tactical Ws, and he feels it.
LM-FUCKING-AO. If BB thinks she can work Sauron, is she ever in for a surprise.
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The holy grail war is fucking awful. And he's very tired in general.
Oh no not work on Sauron. Work with Sauron. An alliance between a scheming asshole who represents the worst aspects of industrialization and a sheming asshole who's the worst aspects of the internet
[X] [Ayako]
A very powerful and well written chapter @Erien . It explored Shirou's character as the quest had shaped him to be, the ways in which he really had hardened himself up enough that he could have been the one to end Rin but also showed him as person who deep down want didn't want her dead as the outcome when it arrived.
B.B was awful in a very capricious, smart and powerful to pull off being a real threat way. Impressive work writing a villain who on looks and gimmicks alone should be kind of a joke and injecting real menace into her portrayal.
Rin's end was tragic and I think you did it justice without ignoring the mistakes and horrible choices she made in this quest. She got to be seen as a person for good and for bad and no one but B.B is happy things ended the way they did. Which works and is powerful, the Holy Grail War is as you say an awful thing and this conveys that respectfully without over the top gore or grim dark.
Overall very effective and I am truly curious as to what Shirou is going to grow into with these experiences shaping him.
A very powerful and well written chapter @Erien . It explored Shirou's character as the quest had shaped him to be, the ways in which he really had hardened himself up enough that he could have been the one to end Rin but also showed him as person who deep down want didn't want her dead as the outcome when it arrived.
B.B was awful in a very capricious, smart and powerful to pull off being a real threat way. Impressive work writing a villain who on looks and gimmicks alone should be kind of a joke and injecting real menace into her portrayal.
Rin's end was tragic and I think you did it justice without ignoring the mistakes and horrible choices she made in this quest. She got to be seen as a person for good and for bad and no one but B.B is happy things ended the way they did. Which works and is powerful, the Holy Grail War is as you say an awful thing and this conveys that respectfully without over the top gore or grim dark.
Overall very effective and I am truly curious as to what Shirou is going to grow into with these experiences shaping him.
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
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- He/Him
He's dangerously close to his dad at the moment.
Immensely, The death of Rin is unfortunate if for no other reason than her knowledge of modern'ish magecraft, Command Seals and servant would have been useful for later stages of this war. Though I'm happy it wasn't Shirou who slayed her especially on the Dubious word of BB.
Well. All that happened.
It's a shame, legitimately a shame, about Rin. But I mean it was to the point where what else was to be done? She got effectively backed into a corner on the advice of something she wasn't even aware was a being nevermind an actively malicious one, and just had a pile-on of bad to worse things happen and that ultimately led to this.
I mean, even Shirou knows she didn't deserve this, as much as he tried to harden his heart to it.
With all that said, I think the person that needs to talk to him right now more than anyone is
[X] [Medea]
It's a shame, legitimately a shame, about Rin. But I mean it was to the point where what else was to be done? She got effectively backed into a corner on the advice of something she wasn't even aware was a being nevermind an actively malicious one, and just had a pile-on of bad to worse things happen and that ultimately led to this.
I mean, even Shirou knows she didn't deserve this, as much as he tried to harden his heart to it.
With all that said, I think the person that needs to talk to him right now more than anyone is
[X] [Medea]
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
[X] [Ayako]
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
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- He/Him
No easy choices eh?
Rin got played a very bad hand. But she also chose to remain at the table.
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Shirou has an entire thing about needing to take action to save people. It begins with the fire that destroyed his entire community and left only him alive and typical survivors guilt latching on to the romanticizing of his personal savior into a label of "Hero of Justice" without really understanding what that means or the pitfalls of the life style he was committing himself too.
The result is a childhood dream level of built up expectations of validation of his survival via making a difference by saving others, which isn't really how being a hero of justice works, naturally filling him with a storm of negative emotions he can't help turn back onto himself as a sort of self maintaining cycle of self recrimination, misplaced guilt, desperation to act, and perfectionist expectation he cannot help but fall short of.
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
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- He/Him
Thanks!
It's why he's my personal favorite. His shattered psyche is interesting.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
I definitely liked how… the ideas weren't bad, they weren't ineffective, but BB just planned a bit deeper, was willing to trade long term for short term. Mordred definitely smacked her around, but BB could join tie Mash and Mordred down with two of the Sakura Five, deal with Fujimaru's Discount Dark Souls Shades, and then sicc someone on Rin. And there definitely was a way to cripple BB, but there was a split-second delay of getting the most current information and BB turned that into an attack.
Our votes did what we wanted them to, but that didn't accomplish our intended objectives, and I like seeing that balance.
I think going into this last encounter, Shirou had already buried that broken dream. But maybe now it's really just hitting.
Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
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- Georgia
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- He/Him
Sadly too little too late. But the attempt was there. Rin had very little ways to get out of this, not with the time BB had.
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No, he's lowered the standard from saving everyone to saving everyone innocent. The broad strokes, him personally taking action to save other(in defiance of Raiga), his expectations of how things would go being unrealistic, with self recrimination and misplaced guilt to follow, wwhich will inevitably feed into another desperate action once an opportunity presents itself, were all present.
I think that if Shirou had decided "The world is dark so close your heart" and killed Rin himself in this situation he would be traumatized and in a very bad way going forward just along different lines. More disassociating from his emotions and trying really hard to justify this horrible thing to himself as necessary all while he edges towards Mind of Steel probably. B.B would have gone on her merry way and continued to be monstrous to someone else.
With this outcome there's more a sense of helplessness in the aftermath, of frustration and outrage boiling over that no matter what Shirou, from his perspective, does things keep spinning out of control and people keep dying and he doesn't want this - doesn't want any of this. He had reached the point of atleast rationally writing off Rin but B.B offering her up like a sacrifice on the altar while gloating about how she helped things reach this point for her own kicks was slimy and monstrous enough to have Shirou draw a line and make a stand on the grounds of 'Fuck You". Only that choice didn't in Shirou's eye's matter. Rin still ended up dead, B.B road off into the sunset and Shirou's left breaking things and coming apart at the seems.
So yeah no easy choice or magical solution where Shirou doesn't come out of this with emotional wounds bleeding trauma.
I'm just glad Taiga got out alive, if she had died in a way Shirou could blame himself for, and lets be fair Shirou would blame himself for Taiga's death no matter the circumstances, his sanity would have been destroyed.
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Erien
God's Weakest Soldier
- Location
- Georgia
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- He/Him
The quest would be basically over if he lost Taiga and Rin.
