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Teen Spirit absolutely has rewarded synergy in planning before, on the other hand.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
Teen Spirit absolutely has rewarded synergy in planning before, on the other hand.
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You might be right. I was overfocusing on people's comments about her potential children and not think about what was actually drawn attention to, her reaction to the dance with Jeyne. That could be something we should talk about now and might be more important than augmenting training with a Tarly conversation.
I do think that two Westering conversations is too much though.
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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Talking with Johanna now could very well stop certain matters from festering, which would otherwise cause problems later.
After all Canonically speaking Alicent and Rhaenyra refusing to speak to each after the whole Alicent/Viserys marriage, caused so many issues that could have been avoided had they just sat down and talked things over.
After all Canonically speaking Alicent and Rhaenyra refusing to speak to each after the whole Alicent/Viserys marriage, caused so many issues that could have been avoided had they just sat down and talked things over.
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At this point it's already been three months, so I don't think the, "Talk about the dance" is really going to get much more stale than this? It's already stale.
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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- Coleraine
Not talking about it all will let the issue fester, I believe that three months is just long enough so its not too awkward.
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- Lake Wobegon
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The dragon does have three heads, though. A three-sided civil war?
"Say, Lady Jeyne, remember how after the seashell wedding you promised to loan us some sage writings on statecraft? I noticed that there hadn't been a ship from Gulltown with these so decided to nip over and make sure everything was hunky-dory. Mind if Syrax perches on your roof for the duration of our stay? She likes to stretch her wings and neck with the sun framed behind her and gets so little chance in the Dragonpit."
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[X] Plan The 70,000 Pound Dragon In The Room
Would honestly rather focus on swole than leaping to fix a relationship that seems kinda doomed in the long run. Like I don't think there's a relationship high enough to prevent Joanna from wanting her son on the throne.
Would honestly rather focus on swole than leaping to fix a relationship that seems kinda doomed in the long run. Like I don't think there's a relationship high enough to prevent Joanna from wanting her son on the throne.
[X] Plan The 70,000 Pound Dragon In The Room
I don't think this *is* minmaxxing? Everything in this plan makes sense in-character, even down to taking the subtle approach in the Vale.
With that vote being cast, I do agree that long-term Johanna Westerling and/or our eventual half-siblings' supporters (Shall we call them Golds? Shells?) need to be brought into the fold, neutralized, or the like- I think we have a political advantage in a two-way Dance with Daemon despite his military advantages and how Westerosi society responds to a woman like our Rhaenyra, but in a three-way fight with Johanna's kids in the mix, I think we're on the backfoot.
I don't think this *is* minmaxxing? Everything in this plan makes sense in-character, even down to taking the subtle approach in the Vale.
With that vote being cast, I do agree that long-term Johanna Westerling and/or our eventual half-siblings' supporters (Shall we call them Golds? Shells?) need to be brought into the fold, neutralized, or the like- I think we have a political advantage in a two-way Dance with Daemon despite his military advantages and how Westerosi society responds to a woman like our Rhaenyra, but in a three-way fight with Johanna's kids in the mix, I think we're on the backfoot.
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That is why I went for double Westerling, trying to get an extra Synergy...
I honestly don't care that much about the training synergy, especially when we are going to pick training 2-3 times per year anyways, and since Nyra and Alicent are still minors I am not in much of a hurry for starting the romance route...
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"I assure you that this is not at all related to recent political events in the Vale. The Iron Throne remains firmly neutral in these matters. I'm just here on a friendly visit to my beloved cousin who I very much hope nothing bad will happen to as it would cause me and by extension the dragon sunning herself on the roof quite considerable distress."
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Consider that double Westerlings might give them synergy against us. Getting ganged up on's no fun.
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I do not believe that we get any positive synergy from talking to our former sworn shield. The interactions with Tarly have made it clear that he was intentionally holding us back, so I consider that relationship to be of veiled hostility that we were just too young and inexperienced to pick up on without a point of reference.
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The one who was holding us back was Viserys and the trainer that he picked up for us though...
And he and the Queen are both family, so picking them both is probably going to help us increase the relationship with Johanna.
Besides that, he is still the Commander of the King's Guard and he has a seat in the small council, and maintaining a good relationship with the small council is quite important for our goals
Inverted Fallecy
Beware the Dialogue that Spews Forth!~
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[X] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Viserys
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Alicent Hightower
--[X] Talk with her about her possible feelings.
-[X] [Conversation] Speak With Lady Johanna Westerling
-[X] [Action] Train
-[X] [Action] Push to become involved in the Vale. (Subtle)
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Viserys
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Alicent Hightower
--[X] Talk with her about her possible feelings.
-[X] [Conversation] Speak With Lady Johanna Westerling
-[X] [Action] Train
-[X] [Action] Push to become involved in the Vale. (Subtle)
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Unless I completely misunderstood something, he was that trainer.
I simply see no reason that he would be positively inclined to us given his past reactions to our actions and that is literally the only thing that he is useful for right now. His role on the Small Council is wholly tangential to the issues we are facing right now and I see no good reason trying to butter him up when we have a number of other Small Council members that are less negatively inclined to us.
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Well, this is from the opening post...
If Harold was our trainer I am pretty sure the wording would have been different...
He has been protecting Nyra since she was born, he is loyal and quite fond of us, and I would rather not completely neglect that relationship...
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Harrold Westerling was Rhaenyra's Sworn Shield for nearly a decade. He's quite fond of her.
Yes, but in Myrcella's case she was in the hands of the conspirators and did not have a dragon. If Rhaenyra's older half brother has a dragon and says he does not want to conspire against her, what can the conspirators do? Having a dragon can make more of a difference than it seems at first glance, including in political intrigues,this is why I think we have to try to be nice to them at the very least,
Take the children when the stepmother isn't looking and go fly with them in Syrax, spend some time with them, take the children with you to spend time with Viserys when he starts to show himself more absent from them, read to them, talk to them to get to know the children better and their personalities, train them in swords when they are a little older so they can admire her, that kind of thing.
Could it go wrong and lead to a more tragic Dance where the two claimants like each other like brothers but are forced to fight? Of course it can, this is ASOIAF, but like I said, it's better to try and risk it than to do nothing and be seen as the cold older sister that don't care I think.
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And I assume that Rhaenyra is also quite fond of her old Sworn Shield as well...
I can understand that we have quite a serious Action crunch and that there are other priorities, but @Azel totally neglecting the relationship with someone like Ser Harold seems rather cold and unnecessary.
Hey, I am down for being the Cool Big Sister for our future siblings, but as I said before there are ways in which we may end up on opposite sides of the war despite loving each other...
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In canon Harold sides with Rhaenyra over Aegon, so that's probably a good sign.
That doesn't seem like a relationship that needs fixing in though? I get why we might be expect positive synergy with him & he could be useful for course correcting with Johanna if things are going poorly, but is that really where we spend two out of three conversations now? I feel like the Viserys conversation shouldn't wait, and if we're romancing Alicent we probably ought to start sometime, it'd be nice to check off a goal.
I really don't think we should be trying to plan around siblings that don't exist yet (except insofar as yes, they probably will one day exist), but smoothing ruffled feathers about impropriety during her wedding seems reasonable.
Who knows maybe Viserys' second wife is just a repressed lesbian in every timeline.
That doesn't seem like a relationship that needs fixing in though? I get why we might be expect positive synergy with him & he could be useful for course correcting with Johanna if things are going poorly, but is that really where we spend two out of three conversations now? I feel like the Viserys conversation shouldn't wait, and if we're romancing Alicent we probably ought to start sometime, it'd be nice to check off a goal.
I really don't think we should be trying to plan around siblings that don't exist yet (except insofar as yes, they probably will one day exist), but smoothing ruffled feathers about impropriety during her wedding seems reasonable.
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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If you believe that it is sensible then why are you not voting for the plan that involves doing that [] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers
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- Israel
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers
Just to help making the vote just a tad bit closer. When things are closer it more fun.
Just to help making the vote just a tad bit closer. When things are closer it more fun.
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I'm considering it, I'm between the two. Laurent's got a point that it has been a bit.
Edit: Sure. Let's talk to Tarly next time though.
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers
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