Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Ah, does it? I didn't see anything mentioned in the descriptor concerning downsides.
Unlike the Saline Grotto option below that which spells out a penalty to defense
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Cliff road doesn't cost defense on its own, but it almost certainly opens up a Saline Grotto equivalent for the Cathedral of Winds.
The more I look at his portrait, the more I think he should rock a moustache
[X] Plan: Red God Blue God
Shrines!
Shrines!
Cultivator ManPower is the top priority for me. It's a complete game changer.
It's not only that some buildings requite mandatory CMP, like the Dream Mist collection, or that buildings like the Walls have extra features that only activate when staffed with CMP.
It's the double bonus to Admin and Happiness when CMP is assigned to normal facilities (and triple Ag and Mat!). That's something huge that would make it so much easier to hit the discount project cost multipler from high Adm and the effective Manpower multiplier from high Happiness.
That would do a lot to allevieate our dependency on Cai Wealth.
To put it to simple terms, we can't have enough CMP, even if we don't have so many CMP-only slots.
Since the CMP capacity has a hard cap based on MP capacity (a fifth, to be precise), that means we can currently have 3 CMP at most.
So, until we hit that limit, increasing our CMP is my top priority. That means double Shrine.
Snowblossom gives us another 5%, pushing us up to 20%. 1 in a 5 chance instead of 1 in a 7.
Boiling increases the CMP capacity to 2. That wouldn't be necessary until we get the first CMP, but it takes 2 months to complete. In the case we get lucky that would be 3 months (since we'd need to wait a month to start) until we have a empty CMP slot. Missing 2-3 CMP rolls is way too wasteful.
We are actually 0'5 Mat away of being able to do Double Shrine + Boats this turn. Such a shame.
Those 3 projects cost 95 Mat (20 + 25 + 50) leaving us at 4'5. Next turn we would gain 5, so we would have 9'5 Mat available.
If next turn we did Cai Wealth and Bai Soil Studies, none of those two cost ant Mat.
Then we could do Pop Drive (or Jadehelm Carver) that costs 10 Mat. We want more MP, so Pop Drive is also a project we want.
So, yeah, 0'5 Mat from my ideal plan: Double Shrine + Boats --> Cai Wealth + Bai Studies + Pop Drive
So I will go for the second best option
[x] Plan: Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
It's not only that some buildings requite mandatory CMP, like the Dream Mist collection, or that buildings like the Walls have extra features that only activate when staffed with CMP.
It's the double bonus to Admin and Happiness when CMP is assigned to normal facilities (and triple Ag and Mat!). That's something huge that would make it so much easier to hit the discount project cost multipler from high Adm and the effective Manpower multiplier from high Happiness.
That would do a lot to allevieate our dependency on Cai Wealth.
To put it to simple terms, we can't have enough CMP, even if we don't have so many CMP-only slots.
Since the CMP capacity has a hard cap based on MP capacity (a fifth, to be precise), that means we can currently have 3 CMP at most.
So, until we hit that limit, increasing our CMP is my top priority. That means double Shrine.
Snowblossom gives us another 5%, pushing us up to 20%. 1 in a 5 chance instead of 1 in a 7.
Boiling increases the CMP capacity to 2. That wouldn't be necessary until we get the first CMP, but it takes 2 months to complete. In the case we get lucky that would be 3 months (since we'd need to wait a month to start) until we have a empty CMP slot. Missing 2-3 CMP rolls is way too wasteful.
We are actually 0'5 Mat away of being able to do Double Shrine + Boats this turn. Such a shame.
Those 3 projects cost 95 Mat (20 + 25 + 50) leaving us at 4'5. Next turn we would gain 5, so we would have 9'5 Mat available.
If next turn we did Cai Wealth and Bai Soil Studies, none of those two cost ant Mat.
Then we could do Pop Drive (or Jadehelm Carver) that costs 10 Mat. We want more MP, so Pop Drive is also a project we want.
So, yeah, 0'5 Mat from my ideal plan: Double Shrine + Boats --> Cai Wealth + Bai Studies + Pop Drive
So I will go for the second best option
[x] Plan: Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
[x] Plan: Red God Blue God
Heyo, these particular rolls don't use omake point bonuses, those are for rolls that come up in the story ala the success rolls in the summit and on certain other exploration related things, so don't worry about it right now!
That said, yeah can I get the cultivation pop roll? you're aiming for 85+
[x] Plan: Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
[x] Plan: One Cod Two Cod, Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Fishing Boat Construction
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
BTW, the original plan is valid because it costs 95 Mat and we have 99'5.
If we changed one MP from the fields or fishery (the lest productive one) to the mines, then next month we could take
-[] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
-[] Implement Bai Clan Soil Studies
-[] Population Drive
Because the total Mat Cost would be 10 from Pop Drive, and we would have 12 Mat
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
[x] Plan: One Cod Two Cod, Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Fishing Boat Construction
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
BTW, the original plan is valid because it costs 95 Mat and we have 99'5.
If we changed one MP from the fields or fishery (the lest productive one) to the mines, then next month we could take
-[] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
-[] Implement Bai Clan Soil Studies
-[] Population Drive
Because the total Mat Cost would be 10 from Pop Drive, and we would have 12 Mat
It's valid, but since it leaves us with less than 10 materials next turn, we'd be very limited on what our next fief vote could be. We've exactly two actions that don't require at least 10 mats: Call On Cai Wealth and Bai Clan Soil Studies.
I don't understand why there is a rush to complete the Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation when we can always Call on Cai clan wealth and complete it within one month when we actually reach the CMP cap. I am especially confused by the plans, which include the Boiling Deep Shrine and exclude the Snowblossom Shrine.
The winning plan should include Snowblossom Shrine (to increase CMP chances) and Call on Cai clan wealth (to have enough materials next month). The only question is the third project.
If we want to boost CMP chances even further, we need more (non-Boiling Deep) shrines. We only know about Cathedral of Winds (unlocks after Cliff Roads) and Hunter's Shrine (unlocks after Forestry). My guess is that Hunter's Shrine would increase defences while the Cathedral of Winds would activate the mechanic discussed some time ago on Discord, where the CMP chances would increase after each unsuccessful CMP roll (maybe Cathedral's music can lure cultivators like a siren song?). However, that's just a guess, and perhaps risking 0.2 wealth upkeep would not be worth it.
If it's not an investment into unlocking more shrine development next turn, the third project could be Fishing Boat Construction to increase productivity and manpower.
[] Plan: Money, Boats and Cultivators
- [] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
- [] Snowblossom Shrine
- [] Fishing Boat Construction
@o11c proposed an identical plan before me:
[X] Plan: Tip a Canoe
-[X] Fishing Boat Construction
-[X] Snowblossom Shrine
-[X] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
The winning plan should include Snowblossom Shrine (to increase CMP chances) and Call on Cai clan wealth (to have enough materials next month). The only question is the third project.
If we want to boost CMP chances even further, we need more (non-Boiling Deep) shrines. We only know about Cathedral of Winds (unlocks after Cliff Roads) and Hunter's Shrine (unlocks after Forestry). My guess is that Hunter's Shrine would increase defences while the Cathedral of Winds would activate the mechanic discussed some time ago on Discord, where the CMP chances would increase after each unsuccessful CMP roll (maybe Cathedral's music can lure cultivators like a siren song?). However, that's just a guess, and perhaps risking 0.2 wealth upkeep would not be worth it.
If it's not an investment into unlocking more shrine development next turn, the third project could be Fishing Boat Construction to increase productivity and manpower.
- [] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
- [] Snowblossom Shrine
- [] Fishing Boat Construction
@o11c proposed an identical plan before me:
[X] Plan: Tip a Canoe
-[X] Fishing Boat Construction
-[X] Snowblossom Shrine
-[X] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
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[X] Plan: Money, Boats and Cultivators
I think pairing the two fishing actions is a good combo, and does a good job immediately after we had our first formal ceremony of reinforcing our relationship with the Lake Soul. Good manners.
I think pairing the two fishing actions is a good combo, and does a good job immediately after we had our first formal ceremony of reinforcing our relationship with the Lake Soul. Good manners.
Which is why I want to put 1 more MP on the mines. Then we would start next turn with more than 10 Mat.
So next turn we would have to take Cai Wealth, Bai Soil and Pop Drive.
All of them good projects we would want to do any way.
Because spending 1 project slot just to reduce Boiling from 2 months to 1 is a complete waste. We wouldn't even gaining any months, instead doing Boiling's 2 months on the same turn.
Isn't it the same number of project slots that are just allocated differently? (2 project slots in one month vs 1 project slot for two months)
[x] Plan: Red God Blue God
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
Maybe we can shop in Xiangmen for defensive talismans or CMP directly. This plan gives us the best shot of acquiring the pieces we need to have in place ASAP. I agree with the sentiment that we should have one CMP slot available to fill as often as possible as well.
I don't see the point in any Rush on the Boiling Deeps, since Resources are almost always a better use of Cai Wealth. We have no projects that are three months or longer right now, and I feel any two month stuff is acceptable with the three project slots available.
If Boiling Deeps has a next stage with a boost on the roll we can do, that should make the docket next plan. If that takes over two months, deploy the Rush then and do Boats or something else additional.
-[x] Boiling Deep Shrine Foundation
-[x] Snowblossom Shrine
-[x] Call on Cai clan wealth (resources)
Maybe we can shop in Xiangmen for defensive talismans or CMP directly. This plan gives us the best shot of acquiring the pieces we need to have in place ASAP. I agree with the sentiment that we should have one CMP slot available to fill as often as possible as well.
I don't see the point in any Rush on the Boiling Deeps, since Resources are almost always a better use of Cai Wealth. We have no projects that are three months or longer right now, and I feel any two month stuff is acceptable with the three project slots available.
If Boiling Deeps has a next stage with a boost on the roll we can do, that should make the docket next plan. If that takes over two months, deploy the Rush then and do Boats or something else additional.
I like this idea even if I suspect we'd have decent odds of getting a non-hostile spy. There have got to be some recruitment options involving cultivators that want to have a house in the country and enjoy some sunlight.
More like a commoner cultivator looking for opportunities to rise, since in a brand-new fief, there's likely to be more opportunities to expand your wealth. (and I mean legitimately here, not corruption, though obviously that's always a threat)
Particularly since we already have five cultivation reagents known to exist on our lands that will be developed sooner or later (the Clearwater Mist, the Chilligrasp Clay, the Jadehelm Catfish, the Chthonic Lead and the Shining Air) and there's plenty of reason to suspect there's more we haven't found yet.
As well as the spirit stone mine.