Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)
 
[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)

Given the early signs of her talent, Biyu is almost certainly going to be a strong cultivator, and a fledgling house like the Ling will need every one of those.

While I'm sure players would free her from her duties to her house if she asked, better to give her a dream compatible with what her family will eventually need from her in the first place.
 
Why the heck are people acting like an adventurous spirit would be a bad thing in the clan we're building? We're a clan of artists right at the gateway to the Polar Nation, there's a truly mind boggling number of ways Biyu could travel and explore a lot while both interacting with us and fulfilling vital duties to the clan.

Why is everyone acting like we're going to be stuck behind a desk all day while Biyu runs off on casual trips and avoids her responsibilities?
 
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Im assuming people are intending for Biyu to stay at home all the time cultivating while Ling Qi goes off on adventures and travels the world.
I mean, I get the desire to have a strong cultivator guarding the house, but it would be a shame if Biyu was someone who had no interesting in going with Ling Qi on those adventures beyond the horizon to make nice with peoples from beyond.
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)

Ambition and striving to meet the highest places is a much broader statement than wanderlust imo, I would rather keep her options open. Great, but open.
 
Yrs just said we're giving her a dream. The thread is discussing it like it's long-term character molding. Yrs does take cues from vote discussions though.

I admit this is also colored by recent IRL interaction with little girls this age.

Maybe magic makes it work differently, but the little girls I know dgaf about your long term plans for them. Life and learning is very Now and Immediate Future. How will something stick with you if it's not reinforced quickly and immediately?

Lots of life is like this. It is very rare to make surviving plans for the far future that don't also tie in to the Now and the Immediate Future.

One-off events are pruned and forgotten unless they are somehow passed into regular use.

What long-term plan doesn't require you to invest in it soon?
I mean, sure, but by the same token... she's a kid. Neither of these choices are a real risk to her safety.

The short term analysis in terms of which option represents the greater risk to her is just kind of moot. Cause it's neither.

Especially with Shu Yue lurking around Shenglu so often. But also even when neither they nor Ling Qi is around.
 
This is hilariously adorable. This isn't pranking and counter pranking, it's honing their skills!
Ling Qi: "This must be what Meizhen mentioned about iron sharpening iron..."


Always love biyu updates, btw :) Also vindicated that yrsillar has said on discord that the horses for the ling clan's (first) carriage are in fact (a very dark shade of) blue!

Can't wait to get to see Ling Qi introduce Qiyi to hanyi--and hopefully using that as a chance to introduce her to biyu and qingge finally

As for the vote:
[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)
I want, centuries from now, ling qi to be getting "King of Explorers" style letters from her little sister on her travels
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[x] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)
 
Adhoc vote count started by Killer_Whale on Aug 20, 2024 at 9:19 PM, finished with 100 posts and 73 votes.
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)

No real deep argument here. Just like this one more.
 
From what we know about Biyu from the story and side stories, she loves painting, dancing, and adventures.

The second option feels like it suits her personality more. Going to the top shouldn't be the end all goal. Cultivation must always have meaning and purpose. You get to the top to fulfill that purpose, not to get to the top.

Plus, I don't want Biyu to turn into someone crazy like Xiulan. Cultivation should be fun. (She nearly died from seeking out tribulation at Yellow jeez)

[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)

Plus II don't get the argument that Biyu needs to be close to home to take care of it. She's her own person. Simulacrum exist. And I don't really expect her to lead the clan after us. First and foremost, that's our job. And it'll probably be handed down to the next generation.

She'll probably be an elder, and I want her to be a fun one who shows kids lots of sites and inspires them to travel and be spirit seekers and diplomats.
 
[X] Tsu's great palace, built around a single great branch, living wood and stone and glass, green and serene… (Gives Biyu a dream of the highest places and the striving to reach them)
 
I think both options will turn out rad.

Yes I am also having fun writing out possible in-character justifications for caring about nearer-term effects.

There's something very LQ about only paying attention to someone when you think they're important enough, and it's something she's thought about in the past. How she can only care about a very few. Lots of Su Ling adjacent conversations have tended this way.

Is Biyu someone we only care about when she's conveniently around or when she's finally useful in the future?

Will we care about the continuity of her life once she's grown? Or will we value even the small parts of her childhood that happen while we're frequently away?

Has anyone we know in this story been traumatized by a girl under the age of 10 running away under her own power? Are they in the room right now?

DANG

[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)

Changing my vote so that we can both have starry-eyed explorer Biyu AND get chewed out by Qingge for tripping over her daughter-running-away trauma.

Yelling at LQ again would really win some more points with Hanyi for Qingge.

LQ WOULD fail to think about the consequences of meddling with a five-year-old she only sees every so often.

For the DRAMA
 
Why the heck are people acting like an adventurous spirit would be a bad thing in the clan we're building? We're a clan of artists right at the gateway to the Polar Nation, there's a truly mind boggling number of ways Biyu could travel and explore a lot while both interacting with us and fulfilling vital duties to the clan.

Why is everyone acting like we're going to be stuck behind a desk all day while Biyu runs off on casual trips and avoids her responsibilities?

Because otherwise voting to turn our kid sister into a tool of our clan's rise to power would feel really bad. :V

The choices really do seem like 'make Biyu useful' / 'let Biyu have fun'. And like any ruthlessly maximizing SV voter, I am reeeeally feeling the pull of ambition even though wanderlust would make a lot more sense given Ling Qi's notorious adventures.
 
I think both options will turn out rad.

Yes I am also having fun writing out possible in-character justifications for caring about nearer-term effects.

There's something very LQ about only paying attention to someone when you think they're important enough, and it's something she's thought about in the past. How she can only care about a very few. Lots of Su Ling adjacent conversations have tended this way.

Is Biyu someone we only care about when she's conveniently around or when she's finally useful in the future?

Will we care about the continuity of her life once she's grown? Or will we value even the small parts of her childhood that happen while we're frequently away?

Has anyone we know in this story been traumatized by a girl under the age of 10 running away under her own power? Are they in the room right now?

DANG

[X] Endless glittering lights, like droplets of dew on a spiderweb, catching the morning sun, stretching out too far for the eye to see, a constellation here on the earth to match the sky(Gives Biyu a dream of wanderlust, of traveling far and wide)

Changing my vote so that we can both have starry-eyed explorer Biyu AND get chewed out by Qingge for tripping over her daughter-running-away trauma.

Yelling at LQ again would really win some more points with Hanyi for Qingge.

LQ WOULD fail to think about the consequences of meddling with a five-year-old she only sees every so often.

For the DRAMA

I think wanderlust Biyu would be interesting, maybe it could be its own series of side stories with Biyu traveling the world in a King of Explorer style advantages. But I like her a lot as a possible side character for Qi to play off of, as family is one of her big weaknesses. So an ambitious sister would be interesting.
 
wanderlust is a privledge for clans with hundreds of members to spare cultivators and duties that you have extras that can do what they want.

Biyu is not some member so far in age gap away from lq that she won't be relevant to the upcoming future arcs.

She's only about 13 years apart and that's nothing in cultivator time .

I get the desire to let your kids do what they want and be what they want but there is a whole eastern culture thing of filial piety that I feel questers often forget is heavily involved in this story.

Biyu will most likely be a green or cyan when all our stuff with shenhua goes down , depending on her talent . And we can't really afford not to have every ling on deck helping our growing clan out especially with the first generations.

Yeah sure adventures are "fun" and all that but so is making sure our clan actually thrives and starts with a good foundation and people to help it grow and make connections .
 
I think too many people are looking at this as mind control or making her go in a specific direction for sure.

All Ling Qi is doing is giving her a dream...in the sense of an experience, not a goal. Ling Qi doesn't really give people goals. In either case, if Biyu doesn't like the dream, if it doesn't resonate with her, it likely won't stick. And it certainly doesn't forbid her finding the other idea compelling at some later point.
 
I think too many people are looking at this as mind control or making her go in a specific direction for sure.

All Ling Qi is doing is giving her a dream...in the sense of an experience, not a goal. Ling Qi doesn't really give people goals. In either case, if Biyu doesn't like the dream, if it doesn't resonate with her, it likely won't stick. And it certainly doesn't forbid her finding the other idea compelling at some later point.

No, we all understand Biyu has free will (in-universe at least), but if the vote doesn't affect her, then the vote doesn't matter. Honestly it's not a big deal if this vote never ends up mattering very much, but here and now, when we're voting on it, we have to operate under the assumption that it will matter. Otherwise, what's the point? There'd be nothing to argue with eachother about.
 
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