The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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[X] Plan: The Spicy Option
-[X] A Dornish match would be beneficial for several reasons. One, the heirs would be very incapable of acting as usurpers. Like it or not, the ruling of having a daughter as heir is tenouous, and an ambitious family could use Viserys' son as a rallying point. Two, Viserys would go down in the history books as the King who both conquered the Step-Stones and the one who began to bring the last Kingdom into Westeros. It would also silence those who may see this as Cotlys Velaryon's war. And three...more personally... the wisdom of the Dornish and their female rulers might be availed to his struggling daughter.
-[X] If the marriage is paid in blood on the Stepstones, fighting with the rest of Westeros, it will silence at least some of the dissatisfied whispers. And if unrest grows too much then I can be the one who brings stability with marriage next time. You don't deserve to be the only one suffering father.
-[X] PLEASE, don't marry Alicent. She's my best friend. And I know you and Otto are friends, but you know how ambitious he is. He can be almost as bad as Corlys. If his grandson had the chance to sit on the throne over me it might get...messy.
ahaha, messy plan. Throwin in all the persuasive emotional tricks I can think of to bonk Viserys into making the ONLY CORRECT DECISION, DORNISH DREAMS NEVER DIE LET'S GOOO. Not sure if this is too big of a write-in.
Anyway, I'm hoping that everyone at least edits their votes so that they also ask Viserys not to marry Alicent. That's just objectively a free-win ask now.
-[X] A Dornish match would be beneficial for several reasons. One, the heirs would be very incapable of acting as usurpers. Like it or not, the ruling of having a daughter as heir is tenouous, and an ambitious family could use Viserys' son as a rallying point. Two, Viserys would go down in the history books as the King who both conquered the Step-Stones and the one who began to bring the last Kingdom into Westeros. It would also silence those who may see this as Cotlys Velaryon's war. And three...more personally... the wisdom of the Dornish and their female rulers might be availed to his struggling daughter.
-[X] If the marriage is paid in blood on the Stepstones, fighting with the rest of Westeros, it will silence at least some of the dissatisfied whispers. And if unrest grows too much then I can be the one who brings stability with marriage next time. You don't deserve to be the only one suffering father.
-[X] PLEASE, don't marry Alicent. She's my best friend. And I know you and Otto are friends, but you know how ambitious he is. He can be almost as bad as Corlys. If his grandson had the chance to sit on the throne over me it might get...messy.
ahaha, messy plan. Throwin in all the persuasive emotional tricks I can think of to bonk Viserys into making the ONLY CORRECT DECISION, DORNISH DREAMS NEVER DIE LET'S GOOO. Not sure if this is too big of a write-in.
Anyway, I'm hoping that everyone at least edits their votes so that they also ask Viserys not to marry Alicent. That's just objectively a free-win ask now.
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Omegahugger
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Otto's opinion is soon going to calcify as "Princess Rhaenyra is one of the smartest and most canny nobles in Westeros except when she isn't."
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@Teen Spirit, this fine?
we should just come clean to him finally instead of being yet another person going behind his back to marry him off to someone.
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
-[X] Tell him that you tried to help him as much as you could and what was said between Otto, Corlys and yourself, including noting that Corlys cast doubt on the value of House Targaryens word.
-[X] Lay out that you quietly looked for other possible matches for him to avoid the Sea Snakes offer without instead having half the realm try to force their daughters on him.
-[X] Lastly close that you have fears that Otto might try to present Alicent as an alternative, though you can't name where that dread comes from.
-[X] You did all this out of a desire for him to be happy and the house strong, hoping that there will be no more fighting about succession and that he would have time to grieve and heal.
Approval voting my preferred marriage:
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
we should just come clean to him finally instead of being yet another person going behind his back to marry him off to someone.
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
-[X] Tell him that you tried to help him as much as you could and what was said between Otto, Corlys and yourself, including noting that Corlys cast doubt on the value of House Targaryens word.
-[X] Lay out that you quietly looked for other possible matches for him to avoid the Sea Snakes offer without instead having half the realm try to force their daughters on him.
-[X] Lastly close that you have fears that Otto might try to present Alicent as an alternative, though you can't name where that dread comes from.
-[X] You did all this out of a desire for him to be happy and the house strong, hoping that there will be no more fighting about succession and that he would have time to grieve and heal.
Approval voting my preferred marriage:
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
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[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] [Romantic] "Forgot about the needs of the Realm. Do what your heart desires."
We tried to do the practical thing, it didn't work. I'm really tempted by going full "tell everyone to fuck off with their daughters"
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] [Romantic] "Forgot about the needs of the Realm. Do what your heart desires."
We tried to do the practical thing, it didn't work. I'm really tempted by going full "tell everyone to fuck off with their daughters"
The idea that the rest of the continent has any food to spare is and that it's only the North regularly experiencing mass die-offs are both fundamentally absurd with years long winters. Like in the middle ages "slightly extended and colder winter" results in mass die-offs everywhere. I understand GRRM wanted the ~vibes~ but it really does not work at all if agriculture and general plant makeup are anything remotely similar to Earth ecology. Honestly that might be a fun story premise, some SI comes in raring to improve planting and subsequently gets nowhere as it turns out the plants are batshit bonkers alien stuff that never got focused on in the books. "Ah yes lets introduce field rotation and nitrogen fixers...what do you mean the field are filled with alien seedpod BS???"
Ha. Though on a more somber note, I'd be concerned that Rhaenyra filp flopping is seen as worse. Since Daemon is at least consistently awful.
Omegahugger
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We're going to frustrate Otto in the way only teenagers seesawing between "reasonable adult" and "stupid child" can.
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[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
The Spice calls.
The Spice calls.
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Yes, both of these plans are fine.
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[X] [Romantic] "Forgot about the needs of the Realm. Do what your heart desires."
Screw this! The Dragon does not bow before his lessers, he does as he pleases!
Screw this! The Dragon does not bow before his lessers, he does as he pleases!
Alright. In that case I'm going to change my vote:
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
-[X] List the three matches we have as alternatives to Laena: Victaria Tyrell, Deria Martell, and Johanna Westerling. Discuss the relative benefits of each. If some levity is needed, jokingly offer to fly to Volantis and see if you can find some of his wayward cousins to bring back. Mostly however, focus on being a support for your father, so that he knows he is not alone in this decision, and that you will fight for him if need be.
I feel like instead of focusing on getting the "right" marriage match, we ought to instead focus on our relationship with our father, so that he sees us as a family member he can take council with. We might not always agree with him, but we are on his side and we have given this issue some thought no matter how much we dislike it.
I feel this is better in tune with our goals too. This is the kind of heir that Viserys will want on his Small Council.
EDIT: Approval vote as it's almost what I want
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
Umm... I have planted two or three year old seeds and they sprouted just fine. The real issue isn't the time lapse, it's the lack of winter frost to open some seeds. Many seeds require a winter to germinate. Still, it's not something planets cannot adapt too.
The need for storage space might explain the excessively large castles of Westeros?
The only way for the population survival during the winters to make sense is if Westeros is much more dependent on fishing, and that population is centered around rivers, particularly in the North. Which they actually are if you look at the map. About the only exception is Winterfell (who arguably has glass gardens and a micro climate from the hot springs). Maybe Deepwood Motte, but they are very close to the shore (less then 20 miles, probably more like 10), so it could still work for them I guess.
This hypothetical dependence on fishing would also explain the Iron Islands relative population density compared to the rest of Westeros.
Yeah, this is a bunch of scotch tape patching holes in the world building, but it's not impossible to make things work.
weary = tired
wary = on guard against danger
All population centers in the North with the exception of Winterfell have river or sea access. This actually might explain why Winterfell has a massive Wintertown. In the summer Winterfell's population spreads out, but in the winter they all congregate at Winterfell and are dependent on the massive food storage of Winterfell (it's big enough to store a ton of food).
See, it all hangs together. Mostly. If you add in a bunch of details that George never talks about.
Well, Aemon had not sired another child after 16 years. I think it reasonable to assume that Aemon did not expect another child. Most likely his wife could not safely have any more children. Actually, thinking about it, Rhaenys only had two children, and Laena only had one successful pregnancy. There might be an inherited difficulty in having children... I wonder if Viserys did marry Laena, might she die in childbirth?
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TBH, I would add the "Please don't marry my best friend" wich is pretty reasonable...
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[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
please dad.
please dad.
I feel like it would be out of tune with the rest of the vote, that of supporting our father in his decision. If Alicent marries him we will just have to grin and bear it. Put our effort into being the best big sister possible to her children. Maybe I could put something like this:
-[] I admit my friend Alicent is also a good match, but it would be very strange to have my best friend become my mother. I'll support you no matter what, but I'd prefer it if you did not consider her.
But honestly I'd rather just not bring it up.
[X] Plan Don't Do Everything Alone
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
Though Otto got to have such a weird view about Rhaenyra. At first it seems like she gets the threat of Daemon. The next she's being reckless for going to Dragonstone and now is trying to find a way so no succession problems happen in the future which Otto respects but doesn't believe it would work because Corlys is ambitious. So maybe a teenager with good intentions but reckless?
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
Though Otto got to have such a weird view about Rhaenyra. At first it seems like she gets the threat of Daemon. The next she's being reckless for going to Dragonstone and now is trying to find a way so no succession problems happen in the future which Otto respects but doesn't believe it would work because Corlys is ambitious. So maybe a teenager with good intentions but reckless?
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Speaking of which, we may want to spend an action next turn on speaking with Laena regardless of Viserys' marriage choice. We've been told that it's essentially all but inevitable that Laena will be the rider of the most powerful dragon in existence, in which case it may be prudent to try to ensure our relations with her are good enough that Corlys doesn't get any ideas, particulary since there's no guarantee that Laena won't be the rider of Vhagar for many decades to come unlike in canon.
Who knows, if we have good relations with Laena she might later be able to provide us with a way to reconcile with Daemon, should we wish to, if the two of them marry like in canon.
Who knows, if we have good relations with Laena she might later be able to provide us with a way to reconcile with Daemon, should we wish to, if the two of them marry like in canon.
An intelligent but reckless child who thinks that with enough daring and cleverness she can solve any problem.
Agreed, we also need to spend some time on our swordsmanship. Be some stress relief.
Frankly, I'm not sure how we can do all the things we need to do with just two actions. How long is each turn? Can we stagger our swordsmanship training at some reasonable level?
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[X] "I've found an alternative, Victaria Tyrell would prove almost as strong a match as Laena."
[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
The Illness of King Viserys
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So I've been debating making a post about this since I deeply fear metagaming about this but there are people here who watched the show and people who haven't and I feel like it would be unfair to not explain what's going on. But I want to make clear this is not something Rhaenyra knows at this point.
King Viserys is sick and since we didn't take the Scholar path, the odds of him fully recovering are quite remote. The wounds he suffered from the Throne aren't healing and will only get worse. The Iron Throne has punished him a way that honestly is arguably worse than Meagor since at least for Meagor it was quick. His actor on the show has said it's basically a fictionalized kind of leprosy. In Quest terms this effectively makes King Viserys health basically a countdown timer for us, albiet a lengthy one. There are things that can speed up or slow down the progression of his illness (And outright get him killed early) but stopping it is basically impossible. This does not mean Viserys is a dead man walking, in canon he survived for decades after this and had a fair few years of pretty decent health. There will invetiably be decay though, the man's body is basically slowly falling apart after all. This does also mean that whoever he marries will probably end up de-facto becoming his caretaker several years down the road if relations between them are decent enough.
So just keep this in mind going forward, don't try and metagame it since there is a limited amount Rhaenyra can even try and do considering her background and trying to brute force him better will stand a solid chance of just making things worse.
Voting is still open and I added a write-in option.
King Viserys is sick and since we didn't take the Scholar path, the odds of him fully recovering are quite remote. The wounds he suffered from the Throne aren't healing and will only get worse. The Iron Throne has punished him a way that honestly is arguably worse than Meagor since at least for Meagor it was quick. His actor on the show has said it's basically a fictionalized kind of leprosy. In Quest terms this effectively makes King Viserys health basically a countdown timer for us, albiet a lengthy one. There are things that can speed up or slow down the progression of his illness (And outright get him killed early) but stopping it is basically impossible. This does not mean Viserys is a dead man walking, in canon he survived for decades after this and had a fair few years of pretty decent health. There will invetiably be decay though, the man's body is basically slowly falling apart after all. This does also mean that whoever he marries will probably end up de-facto becoming his caretaker several years down the road if relations between them are decent enough.
So just keep this in mind going forward, don't try and metagame it since there is a limited amount Rhaenyra can even try and do considering her background and trying to brute force him better will stand a solid chance of just making things worse.
Voting is still open and I added a write-in option.
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Neat, interesting that Scholar Rhaenyra could have unleashed a medical miracle to fix it.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I have been called many things on this forum. Tunnel-visioned; a wannabe Necromancer; a magpie obsessed with shiny things; and many other epiteths that I cannot argue against.
But in my core, in my heart of hearts, what I am is a shipper. And as a shipper there are only two options this vote I can see myself get behind.
[X] [Romantic] "Forgot about the needs of the Realm. Do what your heart desires."
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
One for him, and one for us.
But in my core, in my heart of hearts, what I am is a shipper. And as a shipper there are only two options this vote I can see myself get behind.
[X] [Romantic] "Forgot about the needs of the Realm. Do what your heart desires."
[X] "Do as you see fit, father. Just please do not marry Alicent Hightower. I beg of you."
One for him, and one for us.
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My idea is that Scholar Rhaenyra would have basically been hard mode but depending on the dreams, could do the most radical stuff if one was willing to take risks.
[X] Plan: Be Our Father's Support
[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
I do like the plan of just going to dad and laying out the alternatives we think he should consider. Even if he doesn't go for them I expect it will make us closer.
[X] "The Princess of Dorne has a sister. If you marry her, we will gain a powerful ally against the Triarchy."
I do like the plan of just going to dad and laying out the alternatives we think he should consider. Even if he doesn't go for them I expect it will make us closer.