Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
I am of opinion that first option is fundamentally anti-Huisheng, and idea that any one person is capable of moving history by themselves is anti-thematic. Even a god (the jungle) needs someone to help spread it, and if even a god is not great in all, is anyone?
 
I am of opinion that first option is fundamentally anti-Huisheng, and idea that any one person is capable of moving history by themselves is anti-thematic. Even a god (the jungle) needs someone to help spread it, and if even a god is not great in all, is anyone?
That... doesn't seem to be what the first is saying? The first seems to be more about recognizing that the greater whole is made up of many individuals and that their contributions, no matter how great or how small are still very valuable and become more potent when supporting the greater whole.
 
I am of opinion that first option is fundamentally anti-Huisheng, and idea that any one person is capable of moving history by themselves is anti-thematic. Even a god (the jungle) needs someone to help spread it, and if even a god is not great in all, is anyone?

Uh...even if you buy that nobody can be great at everything, the first insight doesn't say you can? It just doesn't explicitly exclude the possibility, which is pretty different. You can argue it doesn't support Huisheng, I guess, but how is it anti-Huisheng? It doesn't directly contradict anything there, I don't think.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.

Tsu could resist the beast gods with the first insight while the the beast gods could have crushed him despite that by employing the second. Both describe power of multitudes with first emphasizing power throughout hierarchy and the second among peer group.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
I am of opinion that first option is fundamentally anti-Huisheng, and idea that any one person is capable of moving history by themselves is anti-thematic. Even a god (the jungle) needs someone to help spread it, and if even a god is not great in all, is anyone?

Maybe I got a very different read of Huisheng, but isn't part of his whole thing about the importance of individuality? One of the lessons Ling Qi got stuffed into her brain after the Grandpa Nightmare tribulation seemed very pro-individual.

"All division is an illusion, as the Dream sects might say," Laio Zhu replied, eyes twinkling.

On her back Hanyi huffed in annoyance at the interrupted slide.

"That's wrong," Ling Qi replied. "Or at least, distorts the definition of illusion to meaninglessness."

"Hoh? I did not know my junior sister was interested in theology," Liao Zhu said, raising an eyebrow. There was a faint scar, parting it know, skin not so much burned as bleached.

"It's division that gives meaning to anything at all," Ling Qi replied. "If all is one, then one is nothing. The Nameless chose division over Oneness."

She wasn't… quite sure where those words came from. She suspected though. A crescent smile beneath starry antlers.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.

This feel more communal with everyone helping as they can while having their own objective.
The other feels more systematic and hierarchic, as in you a part of a greater whole within a rigid system, honestly it sounds better suited to Renxian than us i think, much more in line with imperial sensitivity too.
 
Maybe I got a very different read of Huisheng, but isn't part of his whole thing about the importance of individuality? One of the lessons Ling Qi got stuffed into her brain after the Grandpa Nightmare tribulation seemed very pro-individual.
Yep. One focuses on how cooperation makes individuals better, the other focuses on how the collective is better than any group of individuals.

Huisheng isn't jiving with the whole cog of society thing at all.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[x] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
I voted number 2 already, but didn't post thoughts at the time...

I think this advanced insight is super relevant:

The world is never still. Power is change. In every soul sleeps that spark. There is power in stoking that, enflaming that. Power that may move mountains and gods alike. (Power, Motion, Choice)


[ ] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.

This feels Palace of One-ish. It's the insight that vibes with our Community stuff, where a bunch of people acting together do cool things. Very Captain Planet. But it also calls back to the insight that I think we didn't vote for around how power isn't just one thing, that there's more than one way to be powerful.


[ ] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.

This seems to vibe more with Choice. This is the reminder that people aren't good at everything (especially relevant with the Empire's cultivation approach), and is a reminder that working together makes everyone better. It still loosely touches on community with the idea of being stronger united, but much less.


Personally I went for number two primarily because it keeps the reminder that individuals aren't great at everything but they still matter explicitly enshrined in the insight
 
I voted number 2 already, but didn't post thoughts at the time...

I think this advanced insight is super relevant:




[ ] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.

This feels Palace of One-ish. It's the insight that vibes with our Community stuff, where a bunch of people acting together do cool things. Very Captain Planet. But it also calls back to the insight that I think we didn't vote for around how power isn't just one thing, that there's more than one way to be powerful.


[ ] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.

This seems to vibe more with Choice. This is the reminder that people aren't good at everything (especially relevant with the Empire's cultivation approach), and is a reminder that working together makes everyone better. It still loosely touches on community with the idea of being stronger united, but much less.


Personally I went for number two primarily because it keeps the reminder that individuals aren't great at everything but they still matter explicitly enshrined in the insight

I actually think the second one is more community focused. The first insight effectively says, "If we work together, everyone benefits". It's focused on the benefits to the members. The second says "if we work together, we are more than ourselves individually". This assigns power to the community itself, rather than the individual members. The second insight also stresses that nobody can do everything, which is a push for organization and community, to cover those weaknesses.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
I considered distinctive parts for each option, starting with the second one.

"No individual is great in all". This is a relatively safe belief to lock in. Time is a limited resource in the forgeverse, and so becoming great in all is just impossible. However, this also is kind of too obvious? I've seen people argue in favour and against adding this to Ling Qi's cultivation, but given how obvious it is, I don't see it significantly impacting Ling Qi. The last part, "Power united is greater than its parts", seems like a logical follow-up, which doesn't raise much concern. I don't hate this option, but it looks bland, especially for a level 5 concept.

The first option, "The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity," conveys a similar message but seems more nuanced, as many have said. Like the other option, it says that individuals can be more powerful together. It doesn't explicitly mention the limitations of a single person, but again, this seems obvious, so I don't worry about it. What it highlights is the potential role of less powerful and different types of power, which I agree to be a more interesting focus. Unlike the limitations of the individual, the importance of mortals and low-level cultivators can more easily be forgotten as Ling Qi's family members, friends, and opponents reach higher stages of cultivation. If explored further, this focus could also find some nice synergy with the Ling Qi's role as a clan's head and the future ruler of the fief. My only concern with the first option is that "the great and the small, the subtle and the strong'' is slightly too poetic, but I think that could be refined at the following concept levels.

[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.

Other considerations

There appears to be a concern that the first option is … totalitarian? That it will lead to an evil hierarchy, will focus on amplifying the power of just one individual, and has many similarities with the Palace of One. I disagree with that. While it's true that unity strived by the Palace of One ultimately led to the exploitation of the powerless, the option doesn't necessarily enforce this outcome by design. I interpret the first option as "Hey, let's acknowledge the powers of all individuals and combine them to achieve more", and I guess Hui's application of it would be "Hey, let's acknowledge the powers of all individuals and (possibly with force and/or mind manipulation) combine them to achieve more of what we want". The question is about the means of the unification and the determination of the goals, which doesn't seem to be an issue given Ling Qi's concepts/insights of choice and communications.

Some people also disliked the first option's use of the word "unity," which I don't understand since the second option uses "united." Is there some nuance that I am missing?
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. The great and the small, the subtle and the strong, amplify in unity.
 
[X] Power is the ability to act on or resist the world, it manifests through many forces. No individual is great in all. Power united is greater than its parts.
 
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