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It's not 'reading about economics and spy shit', it's 'ensuring the economic co-dependence of the Old World by binding together the future and fates of the member nations via a massively powerful trade league that's sworn to act not for profit, but in the best interests of the Empire'
That's just not true, that's not what trade goods does. It makes the EIC a trade company that we have been helping grow. In no way does it "ensuring the economic co-dependence." And what do you mean not act for profit it still does act for profit, it just knows that damaging the empire is bad for profit. The EIC is already plenty powerful and is going to still be growing a great deal with the canals and bridge.
 
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[x] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods
[x] [ITHILMAR] Books, primarily restricted books on magic with everything else secondary.
[x] Initiate
[x] Dooming and Quickening
[x] Witch Hunter
[x] Amber College
[x] Entrance Examination
[x] Sarvoi
[x] The Festival Lord
 
[x] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods
[x] Sarvoi
[x] The Festival Lord
[x] Initiate
[x] Dooming and Quickening
[x] Witch Hunter
[x] Okri
 
The trouble is that time is not necessarily on our side with the books. Prestige is a geopolitical resource and boney has stated very clearly that Laurelorn just has not realized that their library and the exclusivity of its texts is a source of it.

Yet.

We can preserve or even enhance the geopolitical benefits for Laurelorn if we choose, but this is the cheapest getting the library is ever likely to be because the risk that we don't isn't priced in right now.

The moment the price shoots up could be as soon as they figure out their books are where the EIC figured out how to weave silk from.

Trade goods could make that moment happen even sooner, given the whole "interact with the EIC more" thing.
The longer time goes on, the more prestigious and well-stocked our Library will be too, though, so we'd have more to offer in any potential book trade, especially as we accrue books from across the continent. All in all I think it balances out, or at least wouldn't be that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
 
As I was the one jokingly asking boney about loans I feel it is my responsibility to ask once more for clarification and with some hindsight.

@Boney on the matter of taking out loans with the EIC shares as a collateral you indicated that it is a thing we could do. Would we need an action for that or and EIC action or a purchase round action ? And how would that work mechanically? Would we dedicate a part of our EIC income to repayment or would we get a target repayment date and left to figure it out on our own?

I'd probably only have it be a possibility right before Mathilde heads into an area rich in purchasing opportunities. I'm trying to keep the accountancy quest genie from getting all the way out of the bottle and I don't think making leveraging assets a regular part of the quest would help in that regard.
 
That's just not true, that's not what trade goods does. It makes the EIC a trade company that we have been helping grow. In no way does it "ensuring the economic co-dependence."
All trade creates codependency? Larger scale trade creates greater dependencies between trading partners.

Not that trade is such an ironclad assurance of cordial and friendly relationships as IRL shows, but it sure helps.
 
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All trade creates codependency? Large scale trade creates greater dependencies on each other between trading partners.

Not that trade is such an ironclad assurance of cordial and friendly relationships as IRL shows, but it sure helps.
Yes and trade is a thing that is going to happen, whether or not the EIC does it will not effect the total amount just who does it. Eleven trade is happening anyway this is just giving the EIC a good deal of free trade goods. The EIC does not need the help to grow.
 
Yes and trade is a thing that is going to happen, whether or not the EIC does it will not effect the total amount just who does it. Eleven trade is happening anyway this is just giving the EIC a good deal of free trade goods. The EIC does not need the help to grow.
No? Trade requires arrangements, infrastructure, people, etc. If money are not invested into trade, then trade is weak or entirely absent.

"It is gonna happen anyway" is kinda reductive. BTW, are we on the elven trade specifically, or the outcomes of EIC getting a bunch of money to develop in general?
 
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Yes and trade is a thing that is going to happen, whether or not the EIC does it will not effect the total amount just who does it. Eleven trade is happening anyway this is just giving the EIC a good deal of free trade goods. The EIC does not need the help to grow.
Both things are happening anyways, just slowly—we've been getting more and more access to the Library as time goes on, but we need deals or out of pocket purchases to accelerate that. More and more trade will spring up over time, but there's a lot of political resistance and we need to deal with each House individually. The Ithilmar deal is letting us choose one thing to happen less slowly.

The main draw of the EIC option, outside of any benefit to Mathilde personally, is that Marrisith gets to use this Ithilmar as a big stick to whack all of her political opposition and start accelerating her agenda to open up Laurelorn to the outside world.
 
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[x] Dooming and Quickening
[x] Initiate
[x] The Festival Lord
[x] Entrance Examination
[x] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods
 
@Boney I know it's kind of unfair because it would make the EIC option just straight up better than the other monetary options. But I still want to ask because it would benefit Mathilde :

Couldn't we just take the EIC option and "lend" the value of the trade good to the EIC instead of just giving it away to the organisation. Couldn't the EIC give us back the money (or at least a lot of it) pretty quickly either through loans, selling the trade goods or simply raising the share of Mathilde's holding in the company?

After all, the proceeds of the Ilithmar sale was supposed to be solely Mathilde's, giving the proceeds of the sales to EIC is basicly giving away money to the other shareholders. Normaly if one member of a company makes a huge influx of their own capital, either the others would need to do the same, or they'd thus buy a bigger share of the company.

And even if the EIC has to pay us back, it's not like we would be riping them up. Just the opportunity to access elven makets and make a profit on the sale of the goods would be an immense and profitable boon for the corporation

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I'm trying to keep the accountancy quest genie from getting all the way out of the bottle

Wait, am I the accountancy quest genie:o
 
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Both things are happening anyways, just slowly—we've been getting more and more access to the Library as time goes on, but we need deals or out of pocket purchases to accelerate that. More and more trade will spring up over time, but there's a lot of political resistance and we need to deal with each House individually. The Ithilmar deal is letting us choose one thing to happen less slowly.

The main draw of the EIC option, outside of any benefit to Mathilde personally, is that Marrisith gets to use this Ithilmar as a big stick to whack all of her political opposition and start accelerating her agenda to open up Laurelorn the outside world.
That's the issue is that we can only get these books for somthing of military value to Laurelorn. We will not just get them over time. Also Marrisith can do that anyway the trade goods aren't needed for that.
 
No? Trade requires arrangements, infrastructure, people, etc. If money are not invested into trade, then trade is weak or entirely absent.

"It is gonna happen anyway" is kinda reductive. BTW, are we on the elven trade specifically, or the outcomes of EIC getting a bunch of money to develop in general?
Yes infrastructural and people that already exist, you know that bridge we made or perhaps the canal that we spendt our boon on. All of that is helping the EIC it doesn't need more help. We have already been empowering a single trade company too much. And eleven trade is soooo lucrative that it will have quickly no matter what.
 
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[X] [ITHILMAR] Books, primarily restricted books on magic with everything else secondary.
[X] Initiate
[X] Dooming and Quickening
[X] Entrance Examination
[X] The Festival Lord
[X] Swordplay

I want to show off swords both because so much time went into doing it, and because seeing if it can actually stunt on elven masters with it seems like a great thing to find out before trying to stab dark elfs with it. Also for the potential flex of stunting on the best elven swordmasters during the elven olympics.
 
[X] [ITHILMAR] Precious Stones
[X] [ITHILMAR] Trade Goods
[X] [ITHILMAR] Ithilmar armor for Mathilde.

[X] Druchii Diplomats

My problem with books is that at the end of the day, it's just paying an arbitrary amount of money for a spread of +s to various topics. It's not something evocative, it doesn't add to the story, it's just going to be a spread of numbers we can whip out every now and again. I can't say Mathilde is going to be a more interesting and compelling character for having a handful of bonuses to understanding elven magical theory.

Compared to being able to make more meaningful purchases later, or handing our lovely economic abomination that- Mother loves dearly yes she does- room to spread its insidious influence to even the fair folk of the Eonir, to getting a set of ithilmar armor we play around with enchanting and that's going to be hilarious to have when we go on Elf-cation. Books feel like a really bland option because their contribution isn't to the story or the character, it's to a spreadsheet of bonuses.
 
during the elven olympics.
You know, I had completely forgotten about that. Gonna have to add it to my vote soon.
Books feel like a really bland option because their contribution isn't to the story or the character, it's to a spreadsheet of bonuses.
...but that's wrong? That's just objectively wrong. Lots of people have pointed out why it's wrong, and the story results that are pretty much guaranteed to come of it.
 
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I'm hoping for another Eshin situation where they just randomly bump into each other like total morons. Low chance, but would be very funny.
Alith Anar was already a master of infiltration and stealth before the birth of Sigmar, I doubt he wouldn't detect even us. What I can imagine is Mathilde going back to her tent, seeing no one in there, turning around for one second and then see AA.
 
The EIC option is not establishing trade with Laurelorn. Trade is already being established with Laurelorn. We have spent actions setting up a trade route with Laurelorn. That's been done already. Laurelorn is already actively preparing for trade.

The EIC action is purely Marriseth extending a line of credit to the EIC for purchasing Eonir goods. It's a lot of credit - we brought a lot of ithilmar. But that's the entirety of the outcome here, diplomatically speaking.

It means that Eonir trade will be even more dominated by the EIC than it otherwise already would be. That's going to be beneficial to the EIC, and will extend it's reach for the spying options that we already never take.

It is not going to have any meaningful diplomatic benefits - those have already been realised.
 
...Incidentally, @Boney would it be safe to assume that Eike's reached the point where we could start assigning her things that we would normally be doing, to not only save time but also challenge her and give her more practical experience? Like, telling her to go establish some EIC agents in Middenland or Nordland? Or telling her to go improve the EIC's paramilitary river navy?
 
but that's wrong? That's just objectively wrong. Lots of people have pointed out why it's wrong, and the story results that are pretty much guaranteed to come of it.
Agree to disagree, they're going to be referenced in a research action and maybe used as props for the scene. But these books probably aren't going to wind up with us doing anything we weren't already planning on doing, except now with maybe a +3 or 4 to some dice roll.
 
Agree to disagree, they're going to be referenced in a research action and maybe used as props for the scene. But these books probably aren't going to wind up with us doing anything we weren't already planning on doing, except now with maybe a +3 or 4 to some dice roll.
Except that's not what happened with the elementalist books. The restricted information in that library includes stuff on the slan and the old ones and on Albion. More secrets besides.

That information is not marginal. They are narratives in and of themselves, and something that I'm voting to get a hold of.

We are purchasing secrets here. Those tend to take up quite a few words in the narrative of this quest, when we get them.
 
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