Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Arc 11 Post 46: Whispers of a Hidden Sun
Whispers of a Hidden Sun

12th of January 2007 A.D.

Three questions come to mind one after another, three flashes of fire in eyes unseen: 'What are the plans of the perpetrators of the events talked about here for the next twenty four hours?'

Attempting to infiltrate the temple of Ra the Descending, using the insights Mayeda was able to gain from the doubtful pallbearer, Lavender Fischer.


So he's alive then, you breathe an inward sigh of relief. An incubus who can work with a woman like Arlene is rare and worthy of rescue for his own sense. Yet if he is alive and had agreed to work with the Black Court Vampire why let the timer run out on delivering the box to the temple? Maybe he's being compelled.. The rest of it is if begs even more questions, the only name in the lineup that makes any sense to you is Ra, the sun god of Ancient Egypt, but 'the Descending' is not one of his titles referring to one's congregation as pallbearers raises all kinds of red flags.

Head lowered as if in deep thought you turn your attention to the letter you ask again: 'Where can I find the one to which this was addressed?'

A barrage of images assaults the senses: glitz and glamor, lights behind glass, lights under the waters of man-made canals, gondolas pass like shadows in the night, bearing the great and the wicked of Vegas about their affairs, La Serenissima writ small, veiled in beauty and armed with daggers sharp. There in the distance, a single Gondola moves carrying a pair of passengers, one fidgeting nervously, the other still as a corpse. Their gondolier does not wear the blue and white uniform but a long sweeping cloak and out from under it a skeletal hand is raised expectantly—the Venetian Canals.

The place where he had been summoned, the place where the other incubus had been slain, that at least makes sense. Though why would a supossed neutral place shelter something as dangerous and as corrosive to the balance of the city as a vampire of the Black Court? As you pick up the bullet and weight it in hand you give the others a small nod, 'I've got something'.

"What was the ultimate reason this bullet was fired?"

This at least carries no surprises: A warning and a threat.

Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 11/15

So we're dealing with a straightforward ambling cadaver, how refreshing. With that thought you pick up the rat skull and in as innofensife a tone as one can manage given the circumstances say: "I'm going to take this if that's OK to commune with its spirit."

Arlene's gaze sharpens to suspicion just as you had expected, but not at you, at Harry.

"It's just a rat," he says, managing not to sound too defensive.

For her part the priestess shrugs expansively as though dismissing a matter of little import. And we can believe that as much as we want to.

What do you do next?

[] Continue on with the plan, question the rat head to the Venetian Canals

[] Try to figure out who the Pallbearers of Ra Descending are, these people have a Black Court Vampire gunning for them
-[] Ask Arlene, she probably knows more, though it might raise the question of why you are asking about that now
-[] Ask Mutt, if he knows he'll tell you, but it's anyone's guess if he was paying attention

[] Write in


OOC: Really short, but given the information you guys got I wanted to give you the option to ask Arlene or for that matter question other sources about what you just found out before heading into what might be a confrontation with a vampire.
 
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I haven't, actually, and this is a good point. I would still argue that this should be discussed in-story at least, and, at least, brought up again before puberty. And, if nothing else, the Primordial Language as Amanda's native one is still something to think about, as a separate issue.
I'm on board with the language thing, but I don't like the idea of using the training charm on someone who can't personally consent to it and pick specific things they want to learn. Yeah it's a parent's job to make choices for their children while they're still not capable of making them personally, but at this stage we're talking pretty life changing stuff even in the incredibly confining limits of the infernal training charm.

It's not within our skill set right now, but consider the difference it'd make if brawl was the easiest and most natural thing in the world to you from before you could even speak versus something like larceny. How would you solve your problems, and what would the impact of those choices be? When connecting with your peers what tools do you try to reach for?

Some stuff is definitely worth it, paying Lash to give Amanda and Rosie max stamina would be excellent because it's basically relevant to anything involving health and energy levels. Making Amanda ridiculously, improbably, fuck-you-that's-how healthy and energetic is pure gain. For everyone but her mother, who needs the extra stamina to survive.

The others I don't see the necessity of at her age.
 
I'm on board with the language thing, but I don't like the idea of using the training charm on someone who can't personally consent to it and pick specific things they want to learn. Yeah it's a parent's job to make choices for their children while they're still not capable of making them personally, but at this stage we're talking pretty life changing stuff even in the incredibly confining limits of the infernal training charm.
I would argue that alertness and arguably melee fall under "general development" category, not "specialization" category. Those should be non-controversial. Occult yeah, probably can wait until Amanda can express her own opinions.

If we think about it, a lot of training rolls for an infant would be perception + alertness, as they observe the world and instinctually learn from it.
Some stuff is definitely worth it, paying Lash to give Amanda and Rosie max stamina would be excellent because it's basically relevant to anything involving health and energy levels. Making Amanda ridiculously, improbably, fuck-you-that's-how healthy and energetic is pure gain. For everyone but her mother, who needs the extra stamina to survive.

The others I don't see the necessity of at her age.
Strength, maybe. Dexterity is almost certainly helpful in terms of mental development.
 
Okay, basic learning and, well, let's call it personality-forming in babys is a pretty complicated topic, that depends on a lot of factors and a lot of unconscious teaching that parents and other close people to the baby do, in which they are imitated to a degree by the child.

I'd rather not try out what happens when you use miracles to mess with that process.

Let's wait 10 years or so, please.
 
Okay, basic learning and, well, let's call it personality-forming in babys is a pretty complicated topic, that depends on a lot of factors and a lot of unconscious teaching that parents and other close people to the baby do, in which they are imitated to a degree by the child.

I'd rather not try out what happens when you use miracles to mess with that process.

Let's wait 10 years or so, please.
It's generally terrible to try and teach people after their formative years because that is what training charms are just teaching. There's generally very little that can go wrong with teaching people more early other than they might have impulse control or general boredom with education problems later in life.
 
What do you mean? If you mean the final ritual in the city of Endings, that's not a new start in the sense of rebirth, that's final death (or, rather, departing to the ultimate afterlife that mortals get in Dresdenverse)

I mean the first clause of this;

Death is a transition, a stepping stone back into life, for some a moment of welcome transformation, for others a break followed by seeking lost continuity, but true Parting, that final farewell from which none have returned is a moment of transcendence,

For those for whom rebirth is 'a moment of welcome transformation', presumably rebirth is actual transformation during which they may be open to the effects of our charms.
 
This seems like the best time and place to ask about the Pallbearers. We're already here, after all.

[X] Try to figure out who the Pallbearers of Ra Descending are, these people have a Black Court Vampire gunning for them
-[X] Ask Arlene, she probably knows more, though it might raise the question of why you are asking about that now
 
That's a new name. It's quite possible that Mayeda is dead, and was disposed of after gaining intel

[X] Plan adjustments in the modern age
-[X] Once you have some privacy tell others what you have learned
-[X] Try to figure out who the Pallbearers of Ra Descending are, these people have a Black Court Vampire gunning for them
--[X] Ask Mutt, if he knows he'll tell you, but it's anyone's guess if he was paying attention
--[X] Have Clippy search internet for information about them - both the Ra Descending and whoever Lavender Fischer is
---[X] If Clippy can't find anything about Lavender Fischer, call Murphy and ask if she could check if they have a police file
-[X] Use the rat to ask where its master is planning to go in the next twenty four hours
-[X] Proceed to the Venetian Canals. You still have an incubus to save. And likely to interrogate.
--[X] Use the travel time to regenerate essence via RVD


So, adjusting the question to learn not just what the blampire plans to do, but where he is planning to go - this gives us the location of the Ra Descending people, which, if nothing else, we could use as a focus to learn more of them. Since we have a name, we could use modern technology to check it out. Not sure about whether calling Murphy makes sense. If people object, I'll remove it.
 
This seems like the best time and place to ask about the Pallbearers. We're already here, after all.

[X] Try to figure out who the Pallbearers of Ra Descending are, these people have a Black Court Vampire gunning for them
-[X] Ask Arlene, she probably knows more, though it might raise the question of why you are asking about that now
We could leave for a couple of minutes, then return and blame everything on the rat's spirit. Costs us, like, ten minutes tops. Cements Dresden as master necromancer.
 
We could leave for a couple of minutes, then return and blame everything on the rat's spirit. Costs us, like, ten minutes tops. Cements Dresden as master necromancer.

Or Lydia.

Although it would much more likely interpreted as completely legal ectomancy rather than illegal necromancy.

Talking to the shades of the dead is an absolutely standard and acceptable magical practice
 
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Or Lydia.

Although it would much more likely interpreted as completely legal ectomancy rather than illegal necromancy.

Talking to the shades of the dead is an absolutely standard and acceptable magical practice
Or Lydia, yes. Should we maybe do it like this? Right now I am banking on getting intel out of either Mutt, internet search or mr. Mayeda, via interrogation or the Crown. This way we at least save him, but we might be late to save the Ra Descending people (if they need and deserve saving). Honestly not sure.
 
Happy New Year y'all.
Whispers of a Hidden Sun​
12th of January 2007 A.D.
Those questions were largely wasted.
I would have used the bullet at least to map out the size of the organization responsible for having it fired.
Ah well.

Pallbearers of Ra Descending?
Probably refers to that pyramid and sun god cult that Lash mentioned before we came to Las Vegas.
For a wonder the once-demon seems a touch contrite at her choice of words. "Lastly there's the strange and occult 'mummies in the drawing room' kind of stuff. There's cleft in Death Valley for all sorts to wedge their way in, back in the nineteenth century, early twentieth it was spiritists and esoteric Churches these days its supposed to be Old World Cults, very old, back to the cradle of civilization. I don't have any first hand experience, but I know there's a cabal claiming to be the Cult of Ishtar reborn on the Strip and they have the power and the killer touch to back it up. There's a pawn shop called Croc's Cash that's plastered in Sobek iconography while doing strangely well given that it's in Vegas proper where the taxes are high and the Mob's interests go to die. There was something about sun worship and a new glass pyramid as well, but I'm not sure if that's serious or Egyptian come to that, just a rumour down the grapevine three years ago."
And if Ken Mayeda was interested enough in it to invest effort in information, then Arlene may well know non-public information.
I see no reason not to ask. Not if its a literally three years old rumor.

Besides, Arlene's reaction is itself information.
That's a new name. It's quite possible that Mayeda is dead, and was disposed of after gaining intel
You dont go to that much trouble to kidnap a source of information and kill him immediately.
Especially when you dont already have what you are after.
After they have secured whatever their goal is? Maybe. Before? No.

Or Lydia, yes. Should we maybe do it like this? Right now I am banking on getting intel out of either Mutt, internet search or mr. Mayeda, via interrogation or the Crown. This way we at least save him, but we might be late to save the Ra Descending people (if they need and deserve saving). Honestly not sure.
Mutt/Nelson is a bouncer.
I dont think its reasonable to expect to get detailed information on that sort of thing out of him. And this is probably not internet information either.
 
You dont go to that much trouble to kidnap a source of information and kill him immediately.
Especially when you dont already have what you are after.
After they have secured whatever their goal is? Maybe. Before? No.
He's not the primary source of information, though. That's whoever Lavender Fischer is. He is someone who got information from her.

Of interest is that the plan is to infiltrate, so this isn't a direct attack. A heist maybe?
Attempting to infiltrate the temple of Ra the Descending, using the insights Mayeda was able to gain from the doubtful pallbearer, Lavender Fischer.
Mutt/Nelson is a bouncer.
I dont think its reasonable to expect to get detailed information on that sort of thing out of him. And this is probably not internet information either.
We don't actually need detailed information. Enough to point us in their direction would be ok. And the internet search is mostly for the name.
 
He's not the primary source of information, though. That's whoever Lavender Fischer is. He is someone who got information from her.

Of interest is that the plan is to infiltrate, so this isn't a direct attack. A heist maybe?
Point of order:
He wasnt kidnapped for information, he was kidnapped for his insights.

If the Blampire simply wanted raw information, he'd have just kidnapped and interrogated another Pallbearer instead of a White Court vampire sworn to Ishtar. Thats risking significant aggro.
What that means is that Mayeda got information from Fischer, and put 2 and 2 together to get 22.

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No idea what the plan is about.
Could be a heist, could be a ritual murder, or some other magic bullshit.
No idea. It just seems to require surprise of some sort.
We don't actually need detailed information. Enough to point us in their direction would be ok. And the internet search is mostly for the name.
We do need detailed information.
The more detailed the fewer surprises we run into.

If there's something there that a Blampire might be interested in that we know nothing about, best to ask now.
If nothing else, she presumably doesnt want Blampires gaining power in her general vicinity.
 
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You dont go to that much trouble to kidnap a source of information and kill him immediately.
Especially when you dont already have what you are after.
After they have secured whatever their goal is? Maybe. Before? No.

If there are blampires around they could kill him and enslave his soul.
 
If there are blampires around they could kill him and enslave his soul.
1)Only some blampires have the necromantic training to do that.
Besides, blampires are actually more vulnerable to necromancy than other vampires; Kemmler literally wrote the book on using necromancy against the Black Court.


2)Mayeda's a White Court vampire.
Its always been iffy as fuck for a Black to try to take a White or a Red; IIRC, Word of Jim is that it comes to a contest, and any of the demons could win, depending on the circumstances.

This particular Whampire has the patronage of an old Mesopotamian goddess.
And Im reasonably sure the Blampire in question is not Drakul.
Disputing that claim is probably hazardous to your health.

Kill him? Yeah. Enslave his soul? Uhhh...
 
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1)Only some blampires have the necromantic training to do that.
Besides, blampires are actually more vulnerable to necromancy than other vampires; Kemmler literally wrote the book on using necromancy against the Black Court.


2)Mayeda's a White Court vampire.
Its always been iffy as fuck for a Black to try to take a White or a Red; IIRC, Word of Jim is that it comes to a contest, and any of the demons could win, depending on the circumstances.

This particular Whampire has the patronage of an old Mesopotamian goddess.
And Im reasonably sure the Blampire in question is not Drakul.
Disputing that claim is probably hazardous to your health.
He has the backing of a singular Priestess in a out of the way cult in the middle of Nevada. It's not even known if he was actually a member of the cult rather than just a friend of the head Priestess who might be later converted or is just neutral. He was a vampire taken by an elder it doesn't matter how much backing he has unless it's actually divine and I doubt he actually has the god in his corner.
 
He has the backing of a singular Priestess in a out of the way cult in the middle of Nevada. It's not even known if he was actually a member of the cult rather than just a friend of the head Priestess who might be later converted or is just neutral. He was a vampire taken by an elder it doesn't matter how much backing he has unless it's actually divine and I doubt he actually has the god in his corner.
Yeah, you didnt do your research.

Ken Mayeda is directly touched by Ishtar/Inanna.
Differently from Arlene Ghorbani, who is also directly touched by Ishtar, and he doesnt behave the same way as the other Followers of Ishtar that follow Ghorbani. Nor does he appear to take orders from Arlene, at least not in the source material.

Arlene is not comfortable talking about him, but she doesnt ever claim that he isnt one of Ishtar's own.
 
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Yeah, you didnt do your research.

Ken Mayeda is directly touched by Ishtar/Inanna.
Differently from Arlene Ghorbani, who is also directly touched by Ishtar, and he doesnt behave the same way as the other Followers of Ishtar that follow Ghorbani. Nor does he appear to take orders from Arlene, at least not in the source material.

Arlene is not comfortable talking about him, but she doesnt ever claim that he isnt one of Ishtar's own.
It is you who is not on your research being a God's Own and having a God on your side are unfortunately rarely if ever the same thing.
 
It is you who is not on your research being a God's Own and having a God on your side are unfortunately rarely if ever the same thing.
I will repeat: Arlene Ghorbani and Ken Mayeda are both directly touched by Ishtar.
Its on the original character sheet that they were generated with in the DFRPG system.
I checked; they are both Marked by Power.

It doesnt make them scions or superheroes. It doesnt make them Fae Knights or whatever.
But it carries certain Implications on its own, narratively and thematically, in addition to what mechanical effects it may have.
 
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