Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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You've not lived until you've seen a toddler decapitate a Rhampire with a Lego sword.
Those are very poignant arguments though I think you might be overestimating the speed of it. We wouldn't pick melee the first week also we couldn't pick it the first session only gives 30 XP. To be frank will probably end up getting like a two dexterity to strength 3 stamina split with the last 2 exp left over going into dead God tongue because that's the only way we could efficiently or actually communicate with the baby.
Though to be honest I think we'll be mostly focused on getting her stats up and making sure her alertness is right. The melee is probably considerably later but the source code tongue and alertness are so she can actually communicate what's wrong or possible things that she seeing.
There are things in the Dresden Files and definitely in the world of Darkness that will just take advantage of a baby flat out whether it be the ghost in the hospital that kills babies for no reason or random Spirits or Fay. I just want to her to be able to tell us [ Sister of mother, green Sun Prince of Earth an unknown spiritual presence is surveilling myself and mother every time we leave the habitation and the threshold therein] and hopefully we're training Rosie while the kid is also getting training but four eyes are better than two or four senses are better than two.
If she's granted the ability to stunt like an exalt she suffers no increase difficulty while doing extravagant things she should be able to do somersaults while crawling if she wants to. No really she would just swing her toy sword or spear really well the melee dots don't represent a unified style of weapon handling but rather the effective usage of melee weapons in general that's why you have to have specialties if you're a mortal at least.
It wouldn't really be raising we play sword fighting with our goddaughter everyday for 2 weeks when she's 5 then she's one of the best Swordsmen to have ever lived and that's it. From then on we could play sword fight every time she saw us and she could give us a run for our money every time afterwards at least in skill.
Alertness is not knowledge. It's in subsection of talents, which in V20 are described as
And alertness itself is
It's a foundational characteristic of a person, and something that, I would argue, vital for an infant's development. I am serious that, were I a DM, I would roll perception+alertness, and then intelligence+alertness to determine how a toddler learned about the world.
You could argue that raising it and only it would lopside someone's development, but that's a bit of a moot point, I think, as some development is better than none. It's strictly a bonus.
Notably, I don't think we can teach that in 7 days. SCCP grants temporary forced understanding, and it's likely to boost learning speed outside that for a newborn, but it's not a part of the training charm granted skillset.
To be fair, that sounds like a backstory of a xianxia sword saint protagonist, and is awesome. And would be considered a blessing by many. Brawl would work better here (as it's also a talent), but we ourselves cannot teach it to high level.
The problem with this argument is that the alternative to this is teaching her nothing at all, comparatively, i.e. leaving it to mortal grade education. I am very hesitant to accept that this is better. When the difference is between "give her supernaturally great development, if a lopsided one" and "give her a mediocre mortal level foundation", I am naturally inclined to go with "supernaturally great lopsided one". Obviously, this is for Rosie to decide, as a parent, of course, but I don't think this is worse than putting her child into a sports group early. Only better.
So, to summarize: I think that alertness is a strict plus and should be taught, if we have that option. That physical attributes are a strict plus, as all of them represent how healthy, and developed a body is, and "a healthy spirit in a healthy body" is a true saying. In regards to Melee and Occult - perhaps a bit later (Melee in four or so years, about the time children start professional sports training in real life, Occult just before school maybe?). Though it can be argued that Occult encompasses the "how the world works" on supernatural level, and so should be taught early. Especially coupled with "the language of dead gods".
If we maintain participation in the child's life, she's going to be around supernatural things a lot. Likely have spirits and non-humans babysitting for her at least at some points. Be present or nearby when magic is being done.
If we can talk Lash into it, then Attribute increases would be handled by her, and all the XP we grant Amanda would go into alertness. That's assuming we do training charms at all, as they have "become creature of darkness" side-effect, which makes me hesitate. Lore of Flesh tune up and SCCP assisted learning don't.
Children need to learn how to express their emotions not how to fight with swords. Besides we can make a floating sword for her. Sometimes that uses a different skill to do the fighting for her. Like that floating sword loki has in god of war 2 or any xianxia.
I was mostly focusing on your point of raising a sword prodigy. I don't actually think we should teach her melee until she's like actually like 10 or like 12 when she gets Hobbies or something. But I was just pointing out that it really wouldn't be like a extended or focused effort or anything like that it's one Essence over the course of 2 weeks. Though those other suggestions are really cool.
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Something similar to how abyssals give up their names, I guess?
So, anyway, do I understand correctly that there's a non-zero chance that the Ra Descending people are connected to Sandra, and, thus to Nemesis? And this is some sorta of bad guy vs. bad guy fight? We should investigate more.
[X] Attempt to greet and speak to the dead, Lydia should have some power over them
Yes that is pretty much how DEX 5 Melee 5 Baby would work. On the one hand you have biological alterations, on the other hand you have Exalted charms. None of these things are constrained by something so petty as common sense
They at the very least showed up at the same time. When you guys make of it is up to the vote
Wait do training charms change the appearance of the people who are affected with them. For some reason I was under the idea that Granny stayed looking like a granny despite having dexterity and strength and stamina five as well as melee she just didn't move like a grandma anymore. The spark of essence committed to her lingers in Her Bones and her flesh and when an unnatural horror of the night tries to strike her it flares in her swing of her hidden cane blade.
Though that was with the understanding that the appearance score doesn't change unless you train it. Though that is a pretty funny visual a solar rolls through your town he makes the entire militia chiseled Olympic ready butterfaces refuses to elaborate further leaves.
They do not, to change how someone looks you have to change their attributes, abilities are what they can do.
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If we were a random Twilight, maybe messing with a test-group of 20-30 babies to see what happens if you make them peak-humans before age 1 sounds like a fun idea.
For Molly and the child of a close friend I'm very much against trying anything but mundane parenting.
For Molly and the child of a close friend I'm very much against trying anything but mundane parenting.
Peak human physical condition is an unmitigated good. You could argue against skills and knowledges, and even that to me is, well, arguable, but raising physical attributes to top human level should not be controversial.
Bro the babies would hurt themselves. They are learning the dangers of the world and giving then a body builders strength will lead to massive pain and shit.
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No.
Raising a baby that should learn basic coordination over a time of literally years to suddenly have DEX 5, whatever that abstraction exactly means, is not uncontroversial.
Building up motoric skills, from standing up in the first year to holding scissors and pens efficiently somewhere between 4 and 7 are important steps in development.
Outsourcing that to miracles and magic can have consequences, no idea which.
I don't quite understand what you're getting at they are exploring the world and stuff I get but how would having lower physical status prevent them from getting hurt. Also you have the instinctual ability not to hurt yourself using your own body that's why babies don't poke themselves in the eyes or you don't poke yourself in the eyes.
That is not what training charms do they are just teaching all they would be doing is learning it fast. That's like complaining of a child learns to read at 3 instead of four. There is no Outsourcing they are the ones with the experience.
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Do you know how children's brains work? They spend a good portion of their early years developing emotional intellegence and are a bit sociopathic by any reasonable standard until then. Children have historically done some deranged fucked up shit for not knowing any better and I could grab you some examples if you don't believe me. If Amanda is getting bullied in school she could fight back and seriously injury or even kill someone because she doesn't have personal experience with how fragile other kids are and children who lash out tend not to be thinking about that.
I can think of tons of senerios where someone who doesn't yet have common sense or know the importance of restriant due to age could be a serious danger to those around them. It should be controversial.
Baby pulls a chair and it falls on them. Baby injured. Seriously babys will hurt themselves.
Babies are kind of bad at the whole self-preservation thing yeah, it takes them a while to get it down and you guys do not have a way to up the baby's Wits which is what that would key off mechanically
Ignoring how empathy, proper conflict resolution, anger management and general life skills are all things that can just be taught. I'm just considerably more concerned with our goddaughter being able to survive being our goddaughter. There are people who might want something from us never mind people who just want to fuck with us like nemesis. Notice while there is a focus on Amanda no one's talking about leaving the order of cauldron or Rosie out of possible training.
In that example you just gave a reason to give a baby stamina five because that's how you soak injuries. A baby knocks over a chair a baby with stamina five crawls out from under it while crying but it's uninjured a baby with regular stamina is really fucked up and needs immediate medical attention.
Edit: babies are prone to that behavior no matter what their strength no matter what their dexterity so having appropriate toughness (Stamina) is really good.
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If you drop a metal chair bigger than they are on a person, they would be hurt. Stamina doesn't make them bigger and the chair would outmass the baby. Or it could be something heavier like a bookshelf.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
We can arrange for her to get training when she is older from someone we trust rather than burn AP on it ourselves. What makes Amanda as valuable to attack as a member of Cauldron who we are publicly politically protecting and a memeber of?