Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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As an exalted if you have something like say... an elder vampire head (
) yeah you can use that fine. A little gruesome, but it carves fine. If you want to synthesize lava into some higher form of fire aligned matter, that artifact would be useful. So that is not for base processing, it is for making low to mid level magical reagents.
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This one is primarily for catching storm related and wind related reagents like catching 100 lightning bolts or catching a storm and cradling it in our wings and taking it home to make a Wonder of it. The reason it doesn't have protection on it is cuz we have WHWH and I picked Long Reach because if you're going to be catching lightning with your wings you want to be able to do it at a distance greater than your body.
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This one is primarily for catching storm related and wind related reagents like catching 100 lightning bolts or catching a storm and cradling it in our wings and taking it home to make a Wonder of it. The reason it doesn't have protection on it is cuz we have WHWH and I picked Long Reach because if you're going to be catching lightning with your wings you want to be able to do it at a distance greater than your body.
OK so it looks like we are going to get into the theological issues of death and its meanings.
Do you have any younger siblings? I can assure you that formally designating them CoDs would hardly make a difference.
So somewhat similar to the Awakened Po of a Dhampyr?
It might make sense to use the rules for how they interact with the Po and Demon Chi? And how the Demon Arts function in mortal hands.
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Arc 10 Post 12: A Known Unknown
A Known Unknown
4th of December 2006 A.D.
Monday rolls around and Lydia does not have school, she is fine talking to the Keepers of the Threshold on her own. You realize with a start that there is very little of the shyness disguised as solemnity you had seen on that first meeting at Deep Dish Dave's Pizza Place. Whether it is arguing over the canonicity of comic books and just how had Crises on Infinite Earths was, comforting the departed or squaring up against an asshole vampire your friend has now come wholly into her own, more than just comfortable in her own skin, comfortable in her goals, the path she set for herself.
So you just let her have at it. It is a little weird to think about her talking to people, investigating institutions reading up on the lore of the City of Endings while you are in class taking a pop quiz in math, because apparently you had not taken enough mind numbing repetition to see you though the holidays to come. Somehow even with your thoughts wandering you manage to scribble out the right numbers in the right order...
A small mental nudge pushes your hand from A to B.
"OK not somehow, thanks Usum," you offer, a bit sheepishly.
"I exist to serve Majesty," comes the expected reply, but you shake your head a little, getting an odd look from Izzy.
"Don't forget you are a part of this as well, we are a package deal. We are the ones who are about to get ninety plus points on this and have Cindy Nielsen over there glare daggers into our backs," you counter as you finish off the test and start giving it a once over.
"I shall treasure her impotent malice then," the demon replies, deadpan, impervious to any attempts to detect any hidden glint of humor in his tone.
Too bad the studies waiting you after class could not have been of such simple calculus.
***
"There is a religious schism going on? I caused a religious schism?" you ask Lydia, horrified. "Why didn't anyone tell me? I've gotta...!"
"Slow down there, it's not that bad. This isn't the Thirty Years War" She stops and laughs to herself. "My father says it can't be that bad since there aren't any kings and princes to stir the pot, all answer to the higher power which they invoke."
Good to know distant slumbering gods still have a sense of humor, even if their dad jokes are of the uncomfortably existential kind. "So what are the heterodox people called?"
"The Expansionists."
You pause, steeple your fingers, notice the smle twitching at the corners of her mouth. "Catchy. What do they want to expand?"
"Come on, it was a perfect set up!" She huffs. At your magnanimous nod she explains.
The Wheel of Reincarnation has been understood in broad terns for the entirety of recorded history and while the details of timing and location might still be an open field of sorcerous study that does not really concern the big theological questions that the people of your realm as much as your own have been asking.
Death is a transition, a stepping stone back into life, for some a moment of welcome transformation, for others a break followed by seeking lost continuity, but true Parting, that final farewell from which none have returned is a moment of transcendence, for those left behind of utter uncertainty. None know what might come after, or indeed if anything does. Parables have been written about the folly of wizards that have wasted away to madness trying to divine the answer, tragedies have been written about loved ones left behind by ones for which life holds no more joy, songs have been sung.
Covenant orthodoxy holds that the answer is not only unknown, it is unknowable. As the void gives shape to the world so too does the mystery of Un-Being give shape to existence. That changed though in sight of all with proclamation by divine voice. There is something Beyond the void, a world, a universe and it is one from which divinity had in some way descended. From this was born the doctrine of the Expansion, that there is another greater Wheel for those who take the plunge into the unknown where they will be rewarded for their boldness.
"So that is the problem, the actual problem," your friend says, her voice now far more serious. "If I start bringing the dead from out there into here it is going to cause at a bare minimum a lot of confusion."
"But that will just confirm the old belief, that death is mysterious, that is not so bad," you say after a moment's thought.
"Not just that, in bringing in the dead, helping them stay with your permission that might be taken as you confirming that the unknown fate, he thing beyond final death is... bad." your friend shakes her head as though to physically clear it. "The Expansionists are basically hopeful, they are not all marching up to the Keepers and demanding Passage so they can get into the Outer Wheel, they think you have to come to that naturally, but if that message gets inverted. I don't know what would come out of that, but we should try to settle it now and not once the first ghosts arrive however we are going to do that."
What is Molly's position on the Expansionist Theology?
[] Contradict it directly, there is no Outer Wheel, Passage is no kind of test
[] Keep to the line of established orthodoxy, what is beyond Passage is unknown even to you
[] Try to introduce it to other notions of the afterlife
[] Write in
OOC: School life on the one hand, being a source of theological upheval on the other, a normal day in the life of Molly Carpenter.
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Damn it, I just realized the vote was tied but one of the options was split up.
Since it wasn't an important vote I hope you guys will excuse the screw up on my end.
We will get to the wizards after this, promise.
I'll have to look into that in more detail, but in general yeah, dhampyr sounds like a good model
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Lydia to tease Molly vs Molly to not take the bait
Since it wasn't an important vote I hope you guys will excuse the screw up on my end.
We will get to the wizards after this, promise.
I'll have to look into that in more detail, but in general yeah, dhampyr sounds like a good model
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Lydia to tease Molly vs Molly to not take the bait
I mean, we ARE Christian. What do you do when your god follows a different religion?
I mean, "Yes, death leads to an unknown and unknowable reward" is something we can factually and absolutely truthfully say.
I mean, "Yes, death leads to an unknown and unknowable reward" is something we can factually and absolutely truthfully say.
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@DragonParadox can we get an actual angel of the Lord to chime in somehow on this? They are the ones managing the Greater Wheel at the moment. Actually, what does Molly currently know and understand about death and afterlife as set up by various deities and White God? Assuming Excellency, WHWH and BSM, of course. What's the state of her knowledge on the objective reality of mortality?
Because so far I am split between
[] Keep to the line of established orthodoxy, what is beyond Passage is unknown even to you
[] Try to introduce it to other notions of the afterlife
We have some knowledge of Yomi hells, which we can introduce, and we have some hints from Uriel about greater post-afterlife + whatever Lydia knows.
Because so far I am split between
[] Keep to the line of established orthodoxy, what is beyond Passage is unknown even to you
[] Try to introduce it to other notions of the afterlife
We have some knowledge of Yomi hells, which we can introduce, and we have some hints from Uriel about greater post-afterlife + whatever Lydia knows.
The theologians of the City of Endings and the elders of the Path of a Thousand Whispers would probably have some very fruitful discussions.
[ ] Keep to the line of established orthodoxy, what is beyond Passage is unknown even to you
Seems kinda obvious. There are some caveats to this, fine, but it hits the main point.
Seems kinda obvious. There are some caveats to this, fine, but it hits the main point.
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We could go to a hospital, watch someone die, and observe that their soul has passed beyond our perception, and then use a Crown question to ask what their fate is.
It seem pretty clear that the Yomi hells, and other afterlife's like Hades, are just pit-stops on the way to White God, people can make. Anybody that goes to the city of Endings would not have any reason to make any stops along the way.
I'm not sure why we can conclude that. They might be pit stops on the way to Oblivion or Lethe, Exalted style, either annihilation or reincarnation.
We could ask with crown and definitely conclude
Slightly random side thought, but the retro-causal or highly time accelerated creation of the Five Fold Courts has interesting implications for Molly's own Christian beliefs about cosmology. Some flavours of Young Earth Creationism would seem a lot more possible given what she's personally done.
You'd have to ask an Outsider to know, but it must at least be possible that the White God is to Molly something like what Molly is to an inhabitant of her Courts.
Molly might not want to admit the possibility that the White God is an infernal exalt living in another human society with her origin universe inside his soul. The fact that he claims great powers over his universe doesn't mean he has such powers outside it, just as Molly has greater power over her world than she does over His.
Any Greater Wheel might have an Even Greater Wheel outside it.
You'd have to ask an Outsider to know, but it must at least be possible that the White God is to Molly something like what Molly is to an inhabitant of her Courts.
Molly might not want to admit the possibility that the White God is an infernal exalt living in another human society with her origin universe inside his soul. The fact that he claims great powers over his universe doesn't mean he has such powers outside it, just as Molly has greater power over her world than she does over His.
Any Greater Wheel might have an Even Greater Wheel outside it.
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She does not know where souls go other than 'some end up in Yomi, either due to their sins or because the Kings snatched them'. Her occult comes from the old old days (when things worked differently) and from Usum who only knows about Yomi. As for asking an angel, she could try prayer that is generally what one does when hoping for divine intercession.
Given that Molly has a strong reason to believe this has something to do with the White God yes unfortunately
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What about using our Crown on a recently deceased person? Would that be a violation of our pact with White God? To ask what happened to their soul? Or even what an ultimate fate of the passed souls is? Maybe even use the Crown on someone who took Passage from our Court.
As I said above since Molly believes that would be a violation of the oath she made unfortunately
What does Molly know about reincarnation on Earth? Ie are Buddhism and Hinduism somewhat correct or entirely wrong?
Inexcusable. 1000 lashes with a wet spaghetti noodleSince it wasn't an important vote I hope you guys will excuse the screw up on my end.