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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
Jade Dogs have been updated and I took the liberty of handing the White Court vampire you looted off Lord Skavis some of the new guns since he does have firearms 3 so he is definitely not going to shoot himself in the foot. Also he would be a good guide for your ten person infiltration squad this month.
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I wonder how he feels about cybernetic implants? Well after working with our kingdom people for a bit he seems likely to ask. I know I would start feeling jealous of things like perfect recall and auto internal mini maps.
 
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Fear is much easier for us to handle then despair because it is healthy to an extent and many people willingly watch horror movies. I still feel bad that we haven't done anything to properly feed our despair vampires without hurting people.
 
fictionfan said:
Fear is much easier for us to handle then despair because it is healthy to an extent and many people willingly watch horror movies. I still feel bad that we haven't done anything to properly feed our despair vampires without hurting people.
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Augustus just visits funeral homes, he has not had to do it very often since he has not invoked his hunger for a power boost since... well since the fight he surrendered to you in. Molly is not sure how Isabela does it though she is at least not feeding at school.
 
fictionfan said:
Fear is much easier for us to handle then despair because it is healthy to an extent and many people willingly watch horror movies. I still feel bad that we haven't done anything to properly feed our despair vampires without hurting people.
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Cops, prosecutors, executioners would all have moral access to a lot of despair of criminals. Detectives too.
 
Yog said:
Cops, prosecutors, executioners would all have moral access to a lot of despair of criminals. Detectives too.
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It's not a problem of access. The act of feeding also causes the emotion. So well for fear if people are going to a horror movie that is basically them agreeing that they want to be scared. In which case inflicting fear on them can't count as harm and is even a service.

The same isn't the case for despair where there aren't any situations where people want to feel despair. Also when people are feeling despair they don't want to feel more of it. Meaning that every bit of despair feeding is a clear act of harm even if that harm is spread out.

It's why getting the maggot food charm is ethically important.
 
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fictionfan said:
It's not a problem of access. The act of feeding also causes the emotion. So well for fear if people are going to a horror movie that is basically them agreeing that they want to be scared. In which case inflicting fear on them can't count as harm and is even a service.

The same isn't the case for despair where there aren't any situations where people want to feel despair. Also when people are feeling despair they don't want to feel more of it. Meaning that every bit of despair feeding is a clear act of harm even if that harm is spread out.

It's why getting the maggot food charm is ethically important.
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Well Molly does know that it is possible, if hard, for a White Court Vampire to learn how to feed on one of the other emotions, that is after all how Madrigal learned how to feed on fear. Unfortunately the most experienced non-Skavis vampire you have does not know. So your best bet is probably to try to trade with Lara for it. I'll add an action for it next turn.
 
DragonParadox said:
Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
This severed head has nothing of the beauty and grace of the flesh mask that once enveloped it, though if one is minded to look at it carefully there is still a kind of ruined majesty to it, perhaps the shadow of a shadow of stolen divinity

3x Red Court Elder Corpses (7th generation equivalent)
Not quite so ancient as Arianna, these vampires were still glutted with centuries of blood and life. Hopefuly now, at the last some good will come of them
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Ngl, kinda surprised Arianna is only a 6th-gen equivalent. She's not just a Duchess, she's the one rank below the Lords of Outer Night, who I figured were 4-5th-gen equivalents, assuming the Red King is rank-wise comparable to an Antediluvian.

So I thought she was probably on par with some of the weaker Lords as a 5th-gen rather than being solidly under them, but I guess it makes sense since she's not actually a Lord and is only so high on the hierarchy because the other Lords don't actually do anything, leaving her to be top dog without opposition.

I imagine she made sure she had no possible equals/replacements, so the Red King is gonna have a heck of a time finding a reliable and powerful enough replacement to both lead the war and keep the other vamps currently fighting under control. Short of going out himself, but I imagine he's probably leery about that after Morgan came so close to headhunting him.
 
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fictionfan said:
It's not a problem of access. The act of feeding also causes the emotion. So well for fear if people are going to a horror movie that is basically them agreeing that they want to be scared. In which case inflicting fear on them can't count as harm and is even a service.

The same isn't the case for despair where there aren't any situations where people want to feel despair. Also when people are feeling despair they don't want to feel more of it. Meaning that every bit of despair feeding is a clear act of harm even if that harm is spread out.

It's why getting the maggot food charm is ethically important.
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Yes. In case of interrogators and prosecutors this feedback loop might be maintained somewhat ethically.
 
fictionfan said:
I didn't actually expect my vote to be popular. Figured Yog was a shoe in.
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That's a problem sometimes with jokes or semi not serious write ins, unless you outright go for putting a jk or :V in the brackets, there will be people who will think it is a real vote, and sometimes not even with the clear signs.

DragonParadox said:
Next up revamping the Organizations post to be up to date
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Don't forget our new Vampires in the new revamping. :V

[x] Yog
 
Nyarky said:
That's a problem sometimes with jokes or semi not serious write ins, unless you outright go for putting a jk or :V in the brackets, there will be people who will think it is a real vote, and sometimes not even with the clear signs.
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I mean I don't think that it is a bad vote. In fact I feel like Yog's vote should likely include our saying our deal. It's just that his vote is so much more flowerly.

Both of our votes are us being informative, but being free with what the limits of our knowledge is. So it is a serious vote written in a glib way.
 
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Nyarky said:
That's a problem sometimes with jokes or semi not serious write ins, unless you outright go for putting a jk or :V in the brackets, there will be people who will think it is a real vote, and sometimes not even with the clear signs.



Don't forget our new Vampires in the new revamping. :V

[x] Yog
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The full vampires are prisoners being debriefed. As for the half-bloods they can become part of the Jade Dogs soon but the Amethyst hand is still getting information out of them since they are more reliable than their full blood kin.
 
I guess a more serious version of my vote which is basically the same thing would be
[X] Keep to the line of established orthodoxy, what is beyond Passage is unknown even to you
-[x]I promised the White God not to look into it, but I can give you some conjure as well as a few known cases.
 
TheGrape said:
Ngl, kinda surprised Arianna is only a 6th-gen equivalent. She's not just a Duchess, she's the one rank below the Lords of Outer Night, who I figured were 4-5th-gen equivalents, assuming the Red King is rank-wise comparable to an Antediluvian.
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While he is comparable rank wise I'm not sure he is comparable mojo wise. Antideluvians are absolute bullshit. Just a step below Cain with his "You fucking lose" written all over charsheet. Red King has a lot of delusions of grandeur but power wise, personally, he doesn't seem to be as powerful as Antideluvians. He can work around it through rituals due to his knowledge but it's something he needs to work at and doesn't have out of the box.
 
Zoolimar said:
While he is comparable rank wise I'm not sure he is comparable mojo wise. Antideluvians are absolute bullshit. Just a step below Cain with his "You fucking lose" written all over charsheet. Red King has a lot of delusions of grandeur but power wise, personally, he doesn't seem to be as powerful as Antideluvians. He can work around it through rituals due to his knowledge but it's something he needs to work at and doesn't have out of the box.
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An Antediluvian is the point at which you need a Full Circle of relatively late game Celestial Exalts to handle. Take Molly, make her stronger then multiply that by 5 with the afferent improvement in action economy.
 
TheGrape said:
Ngl, kinda surprised Arianna is only a 6th-gen equivalent. She's not just a Duchess, she's the one rank below the Lords of Outer Night, who I figured were 4-5th-gen equivalents, assuming the Red King is rank-wise comparable to an Antediluvian.
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The Red King is pretty clearly weaker than an Antediluvian.
He fled the field from Morgan, who while good, is no equal to a country-destroying Demigod like the 3rd generation is.

So taking him on the weaker side of the 4th generation, his Lords of Outer Night would be around 5 and Arianna as one close to those, at 6.
 
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