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BronzeTongue said:
Probably, but it seems like a waste. We probably wouldn't even really want to personally use most of it and teaching other people is very time consuming because mortals don't learn at quest relevant speeds for the most part.

I'm of the opinion that it's better to use them for something specific rather than shot in the dark power grabs. Things that achieve what'd otherwise be out of practical reach.
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A lot of what you said is true but it would grant us the library background which would allow us to reduce the XP it would cost us to gain any level of Arcane knowledge that isn't innate and also raise our abilities possibly cheaper related skills never mind that all of our allies can also benefit from that every time we pay for XP stuff they could roll using our library that is pooled.

The roll is an intelligence plus a library rating with each success granting a discount of One XP down to a minimum of one. If they can get us a library that is close to five dots in magical knowledge and practice the closest I could find to a base difficulty is eight but with our difficulty reducers and possibly potions to increase our intelligence while searching through our library that is a really good discount. Though increasing our own Library through our and getting just a flat discount on abilities in general it doesn't hurt.

Though that is indeed me angling again to make us a better magician rather than a certainly better investment than anything else.

Edit: the scale of the request I'm mentioning would be on the scale of an 8 dot Library which is a National Archive which given the role I mentioned is a 12 dice roll to get possible discounts on abilities and Magic. That all of our allies can use as long as we put our library in a position that they can access it Harry earned 18 The Last Arc I imagined he could have spent that way more efficiently if he had a National Archive of magical information to look through.
 
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I wonder, how much magical potential will Amanda have? Her mother was embracing and developing her magic, with exalted aid, during the pregnancy.
 
Anaja said:
I wonder, how much magical potential will Amanda have? Her mother was embracing and developing her magic, with exalted aid, during the pregnancy.
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This is something that we need to talk to Rosie about. Because, no joke, we have means of making the kid superhuman with zero objective downsides:

1) We can teach her primordial speech as one of her native languages. That was stated to greatly help with magical development:
DragonParadox said:
Seriously though I cannot tell you guys what training Charms would do since Molly does not have any of them, but as for Source Code Compilation
*rolls dice*

It would do several things:
  1. Make them more capable of magic in whatever direction they are inclined. Mechanically you can buy Numia for 1 XP less /level
  2. Allow them to craft rituals more efficiently, -2 DC to making a ritual, that is a natural part of knowing the language no matter what age you learned it at and...
  3. Gives them a chance to Enlightening their Essence, chance being the operative word, the mortal would be far more likely to immolate oneself in the flames of one's own soul, but some chance is still more than no chance
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2) If we purchase Hilarity Prohibition Index (our training charm), we can raise her Physical Attributes, Manipulation, and Alertness, Brawl, Intimidation, Larceny, Melee, or Occult Abilities up to Molly's own. And with a 1 dot splendor, there are no downsides of the charm (we make Sacred protection against mind twisting by supernatural means, to prevent the added-on effects from taking place). One use of this gives 30 XP to spend (the follow-up ones give 20). That's enough to raise Occult to 5 dots in one go, giving the subject a comprehensive understanding of the supernatural. In two months that's enough to also raise melee to 5 dots, which is probably helpful for physical development. Alertness too, if we buy it up, as we really should. The potentially huge downside is that this makes her a Creature of Darkness, which is why it's probably better to bargain with Lash.

3) Lash has Lore of Flesh at 5 dots, meaning she can permanently improve physical stats of people. This is not a pact, this is just her ability. We could probably purchase it for ourselves and for Amanda through Splendor crafting or training charm reciprocal usage, where we teach her intimidation and Melee in exchange for stat boosts. She's our circlemate, that should be ok, without compromising stuff.

Point is, if Rosie agrees / thinks it's a good idea, within a year, Amanda can have all physical attributes raised to 5, or even 6, have 5 dots in Alertness, Melee, and Occult, and be bilingual, with English and Primordial as her native languages, which would give her a tremendous advantage in magical (and possibly intellectual in general) development. If we limit ourselves to methods that have zero mechanical downsides and don't make her a creature of darkness, then she would "just" have 5s in all physical attributes, and be bilingual for English and Primordial. The only question is what Rosie wants in this situation.
 
Yog said:
Lash has Lore of Flesh at 5 dots, meaning she can permanently improve physical stats of people. This is not a pact, this is just her ability. We could probably purchase it for ourselves and for Amanda through Splendor crafting or training charm reciprocal usage, where we teach her intimidation and Melee in exchange for stat boosts. She's our circlemate, that should be ok, without compromising stuff.
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I hope that she will do it for Molly and Lydia*, but I don't think that she is going to want to for from her perspective random baby. It does cost her faith points and a temp willpower after all. Also can certainly be argued to be a bad idea.

Of course Tiffany also hasn't finished upgrading herself yet.

@DragonParadox : Actually why hasn't Tiffany finished upgrading herself yet? It has been at least two weeks and she recovers 2 faith a day.

*And has certainly offered to Harry and been turned down.
 
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fictionfan said:
I hope that she will do it for Molly and Lydia*, but I don't think that she is going to want to for from her perspective random baby. It does cost her faith points and a temp willpower after all. Also can certainly be argued to be a bad idea.

Of course Tiffany also hasn't finished upgrading herself yet.

@DragonParadox : Actually why hasn't Tiffany finished upgrading herself yet? It has been at least two weeks and she recovers 2 faith a day.

*And has certainly offered to Harry and been turned down.
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Faith, like Essence, is a renewable resource, and so the optimum strategy is to spend as much of it as possible to build up long-term advantages. And, while Amanda is a random baby, she's also Molly's goddaughter, and that makes her politically important. Plus, I think "do it for science" might be a compelling argument.
 
Yog said:
Faith, like Essence, is a renewable resource, and so the optimum strategy is to spend as much of it as possible to build up long-term advantages. And, while Amanda is a random baby, she's also Molly's goddaughter, and that makes her politically important. Plus, I think "do it for science" might be a compelling argument.
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There are 9 attributes and Tiffany recovers 2 faith and 1 willpower per day. So assuming that she aces every roll it takes 9 days to fully upgrade someone to max. That is enough effort for Tiffany to be at least a bit selective. Also as said she has not finished upgrading herself yet.
 
Degorium said:
A lot of what you said is true but it would grant us the library background which would allow us to reduce the XP it would cost us to gain any level of Arcane knowledge that isn't innate and also raise our abilities possibly cheaper related skills never mind that all of our allies can also benefit from that every time we pay for XP stuff they could roll using our library that is pooled.
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That's stretching it. Access to paths? Sure. An impossibly good library background? Seems plausible. A universal exp cost reducer is a bit much though. A book is information, not a teacher.

All of the benefits you describe sound great, but even if they're actually viable it doesn't make sense as a choice to me.

First and foremost we're talking about buying so much lore pretty much anything we want would be available. Which would be nice, but functionally speaking we'll get no use from a majority of what we paid for, and could get a lot from other places.

Then there's the ever present exp bottleneck, even with a cost reducer the section of what we want from what they give us would be competing with a lot of other things. If we spend a a favor and end up effectively getting a handful of paths for over the next OOC year it we'd be wasting the thing.


This sort of favor is better used in big things you can't really earn other ways. Giving mortal governments the support to survive the masquerade drop, asking Mab to cough up Arawn's old nevernever territory for Lydia*, proper safe passage for Molly's subjects through all of Faerie for Molly's citizens so they can wander and have the locals help rather than hurt them in 80-90% of the near earth spirit world. That sort of thing.

Lore is always useful, but it's not the most useful thing we could get for this and most if what you want can be bought by other means.

* Or acquiring an equivalent value member of the Thousand Hells to give her instead. This is the " ask America to secure your oil supply" option, results may vary.
 
fictionfan said:
There are 9 attributes and Tiffany recovers 2 faith and 1 willpower per day. So assuming that she aces every roll it takes 9 days to fully upgrade someone to max. That is enough effort for Tiffany to be at least a bit selective. Also as said she has not finished upgrading herself yet.
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Less than that. The rules are:
Spend one Faith point and roll Dexterity + Medicine in a resisted roll against the target's Willpower (difficulty 7). As a rule of thumb, assume that each success confers or removes one Physical Attribute point or physical feature.
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Tiffany has Dexterity 5, medicine 4, so 9 base dice. Equip her with a a 2 dot splendor Invincible Assertion + Mystic Fortification build, and she's rolling Dexterity + Medicine at difficulty 5 with 2 bonus successes and no botching (@DragonParadox does "the roll cannot botch" mean that 1s don't subtract successes, or does this mean that if the roll botches, it's just treated as a simple failure?) against Willpower roll at difficulty 7. I tried to calculate how many net successes this should generate on average for different willpower ratings from 1 to 10.
WillpowerNet successes
17.0
26.6
36.2
45.8
55.4
65.2
74.6
84.2
93.8
103.4
So, for Molly it would take 1 to 2 days to raise physical stats to 5 each. Up to 3 assuming Appearance also counts as a physical stat (it really should). For Lydia, 3 to 4 days. For Baby Amanda... Well, that's harder to say. Assuming that she hasn't had time to develop Willpower, i.e. she's Willpower 1, 3 days. Assuming she has been born with absolute willpower of 10, 5 to 7 days, depending on if Appearance is also increased. Which is somewhat appropriate, as the god made the universe in one week, so too can Lash make a perfection of human form in one week.

Essentially, in-universe, and assuming Rosie also consents to the use of the training charm on her child, we would take baby Amanda for a week of physical therapy, and playing, and she'll return with all attributes at 5, and with Alertness 5, Melee and Occult 1 (or Occult 5, Melee and Alertness 1). It would be fun, she'll have a great time.
 
Yog said:
Essentially, in-universe, and assuming Rosie also consents to the use of the training charm on her child, we would take baby Amanda for a week of physical therapy, and playing, and she'll return with all attributes at 5, and with Alertness 5, Melee and Occult 1 (or Occult 5, Melee and Alertness 1). It would be fun, she'll have a great time.
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Have you considered what a nightmare someone with the impulse control of a baby and those stats would be?
 
BronzeTongue said:
That's stretching it. Access to paths? Sure. An impossibly good library background? Seems plausible. A universal exp cost reducer is a bit much though. A book is information, not a teacher.

All of the benefits you describe sound great, but even if they're actually viable it doesn't make sense as a choice to me.

First and foremost we're talking about buying so much lore pretty much anything we want would be available. Which would be nice, but functionally speaking we'll get no use from a majority of what we paid for, and could get a lot from other places.

Then there's the ever present exp bottleneck, even with a cost reducer the section of what we want from what they give us would be competing with a lot of other things. If we spend a a favor and end up effectively getting a handful of paths for over the next OOC year it we'd be wasting the thing.


This sort of favor is better used in big things you can't really earn other ways. Giving mortal governments the support to survive the masquerade drop, asking Mab to cough up Arawn's old nevernever territory for Lydia*, proper safe passage for Molly's subjects through all of Faerie for Molly's citizens so they can wander and have the locals help rather than hurt them in 80-90% of the near earth spirit world. That sort of thing.

Lore is always useful, but it's not the most useful thing we could get for this and most if what you want can be bought by other means.

* Or acquiring an equivalent value member of the Thousand Hells to give her instead. This is the " ask America to secure your oil supply" option, results may vary.
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In that instance I was talking about just buying up skill training books for lacking another term for them like books on how to confidently talk to other people ( Charisma) books on financial advice and general Finance information ( Finance) and things like that mystical library or just to have as our own Library that's only like two or three dots cuz that's exactly the kind of rating you would expect from getting all the help books in a skill that you can find that are effective.

Go with the favors intensity and we could ask for help acquiring a hell or two if use a favor per court, with the understanding that any corpse in either hell belongs to us and that we will handle these minor Yama Kings ourselves. No need for them to know that these Hells will functionally cease to exist as we absorb them directly into our soul taking with them all the fragmented and completely stolen Souls and the trials to become a jade vampire.

Ooh just talking about it makes me want to stat out a lesser known hell like the Hell of suffocating Earth and strangling Vine, the Hell of Infinite chains and many more Horrors completely within comprehension and all the more awful for it.
 
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Surely the main benefit of buying a large library of sorcerous paths is that we can give a copy to the people of our Hell so that tens of thousands of them can start learning from them and looking for synergies between it and their existing occult studies.

Similarly, we should pay Lash to write down what she can about Occult lore relevant to path development and empowering humans and hand that over to research departments in our Hell.

Yog said:
Essentially, in-universe, and assuming Rosie also consents to the use of the training charm on her child, we would take baby Amanda for a week of physical therapy, and playing, and she'll return with all attributes at 5, and with Alertness 5, Melee and Occult 1 (or Occult 5, Melee and Alertness 1). It would be fun, she'll have a great time.
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I think we shouldn't do that with Rosie's child, but we should talk to the most powerful people in our Hell who about to undergo rebirth and get their content to apply these effects to them in their next life. They're already creatures of darkness, so that doesn't effect them.
 
Alratan said:
Surely the main benefit of buying a large library of sorcerous paths is that we can give a copy to the people of our Hell so that tens of thousands of them can start learning from them and looking for synergies between it and their existing occult studies.

Similarly, we should pay Lash to write down what she can about Occult lore relevant to path development and empowering humans and hand that over to research departments in our Hell.



I think we shouldn't do that with Rosie's child, but we should talk to the most powerful people in our Hell who about to undergo rebirth and get their content to apply these effects to them in their next life. They're already creatures of darkness, so that doesn't effect them.
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Us and those around us are the ones that spend XP giving a library to Sanctuary is helpful in a General context but if we wanted an actual concrete benefit we would need to be the ones with it.

The one thing we definitely need to do is figure out what the actual hell the creature of Darkness tag actually does because at this moment it's just being used as a fear cudgel to prevent us from training people or feeding them or in general granting them benefits that would make them creatures of darkness and if we knew what we did it could be a actual risk analysis rather than a fear mongering tactic.
 
Tsotate said:
Have you considered what a nightmare someone with the impulse control of a baby and those stats would be?
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I haven't, actually, and this is a good point. I would still argue that this should be discussed in-story at least, and, at least, brought up again before puberty. And, if nothing else, the Primordial Language as Amanda's native one is still something to think about, as a separate issue.
Alratan said:
I think we shouldn't do that with Rosie's child, but we should talk to the most powerful people in our Hell who about to undergo rebirth and get their content to apply these effects to them in their next life. They're already creatures of darkness, so that doesn't effect them.
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Not how rebirth in our world works. The Turning of the Wheel preserve consciousness and heals the cause of death. So, if you die of old age, you get regressed to the prime of your life. There's no (as I envisioned it at least) classical rebirth.

And children are very previous in the Sanctuary due to how rare they are (because of how birthrates are tied to ecological population capacity).
 
@Yog I know you're usually pretty on top of things do we have an in Universe explanation of what the creature of Darkness tag actually does because at this moment it's just kind of hanging over our charm set being used as a way to prevent us from getting training and feeding charms in general.
 
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@Yog I know you're usually pretty on top of things do we have an in Universe explanation of what the creature of Darkness tag actually does because at this moment it's just kind of hanging over our charm set being used as a way to prevent us from getting training and feeding charms in general.
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I think but can't quite muster the effort to find quotes, that in-universe "Creature of Darkness" tag changes how one is affected by holy magic, which at least some followers of White God, and, I suspect, other "good aligned" True Faith holders are capable of producing. It might also be detectable with the Sight.
 
Yog said:
I think but can't quite muster the effort to find quotes, that in-universe "Creature of Darkness" tag changes how one is affected by holy magic, which at least some followers of White God, and, I suspect, other "good aligned" True Faith holders are capable of producing. It might also be detectable with the Sight.
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I was on the same mind when it came to the Sight but it doesn't really make sense for non-solar holy Magic to use the creature of Darkness tag like that.because you can use true faith on everything so it doing extra to things marked as creatures of Darkness by a long Missing or dead God outside of your faith is weird. Never mind how that would pair with conceptual true Faith like how Dresden has with magic.
 
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Yog said:
I think but can't quite muster the effort to find quotes, that in-universe "Creature of Darkness" tag changes how one is affected by holy magic, which at least some followers of White God, and, I suspect, other "good aligned" True Faith holders are capable of producing. It might also be detectable with the Sight.
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Well, originally, a Creature of Darkness just means 'your essence is of a flavour that has or you personally have been put on Sol's shit list', and nothing more. That can overlap with other features, but by itself it means nothing.

That means that why you're a Creature of Darkness matters, as the tag itself is purely arbitrary.

In our case, our Essence is Yozi aspected, and Sol has black listed that generally. That essence seems to have leaked from the imprisoned Infernal Exaltations and contaminated the Thousand Hells with that Yozi essenxe, so now when people see it they identify it as the tainted chi/essence of the Hells.

That suggest that to the sight, people with the Creature of Darkness tag because of exposure to our essence look probably look like people tainted by exposure to the Thousand Hells. That's probably a know thing. Akuma without the right gift or people that have been contaminated by Hellish Chi can look the same.

Yog said:
Not how rebirth in our world works. The Turning of the Wheel preserve consciousness and heals the cause of death. So, if you die of old age, you get regressed to the prime of your life. There's no (as I envisioned it at least) classical rebirth.

And children are very previous in the Sanctuary due to how rare they are (because of how birthrates are tied to ecological population capacity).
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That doesn't really line up with the way people in Sanctuary choose to end their lives to make a new start, because it's not a new start.
 
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Yog said:
This is something that we need to talk to Rosie about. Because, no joke, we have means of making the kid superhuman with zero objective downsides:

1) We can teach her primordial speech as one of her native languages. That was stated to greatly help with magical development:


2) If we purchase Hilarity Prohibition Index (our training charm), we can raise her Physical Attributes, Manipulation, and Alertness, Brawl, Intimidation, Larceny, Melee, or Occult Abilities up to Molly's own. And with a 1 dot splendor, there are no downsides of the charm (we make Sacred protection against mind twisting by supernatural means, to prevent the added-on effects from taking place). One use of this gives 30 XP to spend (the follow-up ones give 20). That's enough to raise Occult to 5 dots in one go, giving the subject a comprehensive understanding of the supernatural. In two months that's enough to also raise melee to 5 dots, which is probably helpful for physical development. Alertness too, if we buy it up, as we really should. The potentially huge downside is that this makes her a Creature of Darkness, which is why it's probably better to bargain with Lash.

3) Lash has Lore of Flesh at 5 dots, meaning she can permanently improve physical stats of people. This is not a pact, this is just her ability. We could probably purchase it for ourselves and for Amanda through Splendor crafting or training charm reciprocal usage, where we teach her intimidation and Melee in exchange for stat boosts. She's our circlemate, that should be ok, without compromising stuff.

Point is, if Rosie agrees / thinks it's a good idea, within a year, Amanda can have all physical attributes raised to 5, or even 6, have 5 dots in Alertness, Melee, and Occult, and be bilingual, with English and Primordial as her native languages, which would give her a tremendous advantage in magical (and possibly intellectual in general) development. If we limit ourselves to methods that have zero mechanical downsides and don't make her a creature of darkness, then she would "just" have 5s in all physical attributes, and be bilingual for English and Primordial. The only question is what Rosie wants in this situation.
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@Yog I often agrees with you for being bolder than uju and for loving magical construction as well, but don't you see the utter ridiculousness of these suggestions? Especially when it's a literal newborn?

Why would we spend these resources to do this with it when there is no need and we literally have an ap hell? fighting Nemesis, protecting the Order, solidifying our agents, etc. Outside of the random interventions of our many enemies.

I would vote to do this with people who are completely loyal to us and who would help us immediately. Unfortunately your idea will never get my vote.
 
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Azais said:
@Yog I often agrees with you for being bolder than uju and for loving magical construction as well, but don't you see the utter ridiculousness of these suggestions? Especially when it's a literal newborn?

Why would we spend these resources to do this with it when there is no need and we literally have an ap hell? fighting Nemesis, protecting the Order, solidifying our agents, etc. Outside of the random interventions of our many enemies.

I would vote to do this with people who are completely loyal to us and who would help us immediately. Unfortunately your idea will never get my vote.
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Using the charm he mentioned we could train the entire order of cauldron and Rosie and the baby as long as they're less than 15 of them and train all of them at once. Of course that leads to a baby with the stats mentioned but it also leads to the mom with the stats as well as every member of the order of cauldron.
 
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fictionfan said:
I hope that she will do it for Molly and Lydia*, but I don't think that she is going to want to for from her perspective random baby. It does cost her faith points and a temp willpower after all. Also can certainly be argued to be a bad idea.

Of course Tiffany also hasn't finished upgrading herself yet.

@DragonParadox : Actually why hasn't Tiffany finished upgrading herself yet? It has been at least two weeks and she recovers 2 faith a day.

*And has certainly offered to Harry and been turned down.
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Several reasons, starting with 'she had to get used to the feeling of having a physical body all to herself before she could play around with it' and ending with 'she is not made of Faith, she only got her second point of recharge a few days ago'
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 2, 2024 at 9:14 AM, finished with 101 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Investigative steps
    -[X] Use the Crown
    --[x] Using the scene as the focus: "What are the plans of the perpetrators of the events talked about here for the next twenty four hours?"
    --[X] using the letter: "Where can I find the body of the person to whom this letter was addresssed?"
    --[X] using the bullet: "what was the ultimate reason this bullet was fired?"
    -[X] Ask to take the rat's skull with you, "to commune with its spirit"
    --[X] After some time passes, use the skull to ask "the full list of beings responsible for this rat being sent to Kenneth Mayeda
    -[X] Travel to the Venetian Canals where one murder took place, perhaps a second also
    --[X] Use the travel to regenerate essence by RVD, after giving your companions the information you obtain via the Crown
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[X] Who was involved in planning and committing the murder of Ken Mayeda?
    [X] Travel to the Venetian Canals where one murder took place, perhaps a second also
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[x] Using the scene as the focus: "What are the plans of the perpetrators of the events talked about here for the next twenty four hours?"
    -[x] Focus-Letter written by Ken: Where are those responsible for Ken Mayeda's missing status located?
    [X] Plan All Seeing
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[X] On the bullet. Who fired this?
    -[X] On the rat. Who was your master?
    --[X] If the answer to those questions are different.
    -[X] On the note. Who made you dissappear?
    ---[X] If the answer to those questions are same or the Black court vampire.
    -[X] On the note. Where is the one who made you dissappear?
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Adhoc vote count started by LightLan on Jan 2, 2024 at 9:14 AM, finished with 101 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Investigative steps
    -[X] Use the Crown
    --[x] Using the scene as the focus: "What are the plans of the perpetrators of the events talked about here for the next twenty four hours?"
    --[X] using the letter: "Where can I find the body of the person to whom this letter was addresssed?"
    --[X] using the bullet: "what was the ultimate reason this bullet was fired?"
    -[X] Ask to take the rat's skull with you, "to commune with its spirit"
    --[X] After some time passes, use the skull to ask "the full list of beings responsible for this rat being sent to Kenneth Mayeda
    -[X] Travel to the Venetian Canals where one murder took place, perhaps a second also
    --[X] Use the travel to regenerate essence by RVD, after giving your companions the information you obtain via the Crown
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[X] Who was involved in planning and committing the murder of Ken Mayeda?
    [X] Travel to the Venetian Canals where one murder took place, perhaps a second also
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[x] Using the scene as the focus: "What are the plans of the perpetrators of the events talked about here for the next twenty four hours?"
    -[x] Focus-Letter written by Ken: Where are those responsible for Ken Mayeda's missing status located?
    [X] Plan All Seeing
    [X] Use your Crown
    -[X] On the bullet. Who fired this?
    -[X] On the rat. Who was your master?
    --[X] If the answer to those questions are different.
    -[X] On the note. Who made you dissappear?
    ---[X] If the answer to those questions are same or the Black court vampire.
    -[X] On the note. Where is the one who made you dissappear?
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Have the more correct tally.
 
Azais said:
@Yog I often agrees with you for being bolder than uju and for loving magical construction as well, but don't you see the utter ridiculousness of these suggestions? Especially when it's a literal newborn?
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Not really?They cost us at most 1 AP, and for the child itself there are no downsides that I can see. Assuming we don't specifically buy the training charm for her, opportunity costs are low. And from a purely utilitarian perspective, disregarding how Amanda is our goddaughter and deserves the very best, a chance of producing a loyal Merlin-grade wizard is not something to pass by.
Alratan said:
That doesn't really line up with the way people in Sanctuary choose to end their lives to make a new start, because it's not a new start.
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What do you mean? If you mean the final ritual in the city of Endings, that's not a new start in the sense of rebirth, that's final death (or, rather, departing to the ultimate afterlife that mortals get in Dresdenverse)
 
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