Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

I don't want the Weeping Sentinel to get lonely without her friends.

[X] Agree to push for a greater allowance of security forces for the White Sky (+1 White Sky Favorability.)

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)
I don't want to loose White Plume Favor.

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

I really hate giving up perfect white plume positivity, but I've been convinced this will lead to less issues during the next negotiation .

I did some rereading and I must say it's hilarious how we thought that because the fight with SWD would take place in the liminal people in the physical world might not even notice what was going on. Some nightmares maybe.
And then fire and nightmares rain from the sky.

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)
[X] Agree to push for a greater allowance of security forces for the White Sky (+1 White Sky Favorability.)

Has it been clarified whether or not we can roll to try and reduce favorability penalties?

[X] Fully support White Sky desires including the emplacement of their sovereigns full court on a permanent basis (+2 White Sky Favorabilty, +1 Polar Theocracy favorability, -1 Ministry and -2 White Plume favorability.)

I like this option because it gives us more flexibility on who to annoy in the next few turns, and also because it just sounds really cool. I totally want to talk to the big tree and all her friends at some point.

adaer said:

I totally want to talk to the big tree and all her friends at some point.

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Practice run for Xiangmen

Honestly, while I cannot be sure of anything, I just feel as if there's got to be better places to gain a bit of PT favorability than this moment, and that there will absolutely be other White Plume costs we'll have to pay that matter a lot more than slightly reassuring the PT at the cost of flooding the Embassy Town with yet more high-level Cultivators in a way that increases the security concerns on the WP's side, and the paranoia on the MOI's.

At least with the middle option, we can talk about the narrative benefits of having a very high approval (we've seen cases where 8-9 approval from both WS and ES led to getting past some of the troubles. Maybe I'm assuming that such a thing will happen again when it won't?

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)

I think allowing the full retinue of Indigos is, frankly, a terrible idea - if only because the Imperials will demand to respond in kind. One sovereign per side, each with the role of protector, is relatively easy to manage, but a full court on either side at this very early stage will lead to many more points of potential high realm friction - which is the exact opposite of what we want.

Don't look just at the favourability numbers (though the exchange rate of option 3 is terrible regardless), please - these decisions will have extensive ramifications down the line. The White Sky have legitimate security concerns, but we cannot afford to station a hefty chunk of any given Count clan's upper echelons, when we'll have little control over who actually gets assigned. At best, this represents ceding an enormous amount of our own personal influence on the relationship (as well as CRX's), at worst it's a flashpoint and disaster in the making.

More broadly, the influence that absolutely must be maximised is of the actors with a direct stake in the proceedings, and their implementation along the border - that means the White Sky, the Emerald Seas (and its clans), and the White Plumes, who operate in the border area. The Polar Theocracy (PT) are their equivalent of our MoI - distant observers with very little actual stake in the execution. So long as we don't give either of these parties a reason to torpedo the talks (ie. negatives), what they think coming out the other side doesn't really matter - hence why I'm more than fine trading Ministry favourability for White Sky. 2 White Plume favourability - the spec ops forces operating in the Wall - for 1 Polar Theocracy - a distant observer - is an awful trade, and besides, wrangling their internal factions is frankly not our job, it's Jaromilas.

Hmm. That's not really accurate. The Polar Theocracy is woven throughout their society and makes up substantial portions of its core institutions. We don't have an exact picture, obviously, but comparing the Polar Theocracy to the MoI alone strikes me as off-base. They're more, by my read, like imperial ministries as a whole. They don't directly manage the political day-to-day, but they represent a lot of specific pools of expertise and customs across the society broadly.

[X] Agree to push for a greater allowance of security forces for the White Sky (+1 White Sky Favorability.)

[X] Use your momentum to push for a greater allowance for security forces and their support as well as more of their security infrastructure in the valley (+2 White Sky Favorability, -1 Ministry Favorability)