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The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

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prometheus110 said:
Yes.

The more influence you spend towards achieving that goal, the more likely it is to pass. The minimum would be 5.
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Assuming that we tell the CC/TC to sort their own worlds out, redirect all AP to developing the Outback, and push for ORDI to redevelop the Outback at the very least in terms of industry plus some basic services (we'd need to push the WCC out but thats separate iirc), what kind of Influence cost are we looking at?
 
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Forgothrax said:
Assuming that we tell the CC/TC to sort their own worlds out, redirect all AP to developing the Outback, and push for ORDI to redevelop the Outback at the very least in terms of industry plus some basic services (we'd need to push the WCC out but thats separate iirc), what kind of Influence cost are we looking at?
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The more, the better, but I'd probably be looking at upwards of 30 influence just given that you're asking your allies in invest an incredible amount of resources into the industry, infrastructure, and administration of other states.

The way I'll probably organise it is that, if you succeed, they'll automatically sign up for the industrial investments, then follow your lead on the next couple you pick with the exact number depending on how well you go at convincing them.
 
prometheus110 said:
Yes.

The more influence you spend towards achieving that goal, the more likely it is to pass. The minimum would be 5.


Note: I'm using the CapCon as the example here as they're the closest to the Outback in size and circumstances, and getting to their level of industry is a lower bar than what the Aurigans have currently.

For industrial development, you're looking at a region that has ~40% more solar systems* in it than the Capellan Confederation did when you started your investments there, which has a similar population density to the CapCon according to math done using the beta rules for Interstellar Operation's solar system generation, and which is starting from a worse position in terms of industry and infrastructure (which equates to a 50% increase in cost). As a result, the amount of AP you'd need to spend to get the Outback to where the CapCon was in 3047 is 40 (what you spent on the CapCon) * 1.4 (from the region's size) *1.5 (from the region's low development) or 84AP.

It's also worth keeping in mind that, as with the Capellan Confederation, this represents the ORDI upgrading a number of factories throughout the region that will then go on to spread said improvements to other systems over the years rather than upgrading all factories everywhere at once. It's also worth noting that this math includes the worlds taken by the CapCon and Concordat, and the total would reduce if you told them to sort their own shit out.

*If we're counting the Pleiades Cluster as a single solar system, which we really shouldn't since it contains 100 systems on its own, but ehhhh.

The other ORDI nations view joint investment as a necessity under the circumstances.


As you might expect, similar modifiers apply to the region's other issues, though certain tasks are much easier than others, so they won't necessarily cost as much AP in total.


Yeah, probably. Raising the idea is free, though it's not as isolated as it appears thanks to being in JumpShip range of its neighbours.
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So, five ORDI members, let's round that to 85 to get 17 AP per nation. So 17 years if we go with 1 AP per nation. 9 years if we go with 2 ap per turn. Worth noting that we do still have fedsun reparations to help with that, so we'd only be spending 1 ap for the first few turns at least if we go for 2 per.

Thisll probs be a heavier price for AC which arguably didnt really gain anything from this war, have fewer AP and someone we've been sidelining these past few votes (i mean we never even bothered spending influence to change their minds, just ignored them basically). We should probs help with Panzyr orbit cleanup, just to smother any hard feelings before they blossom.
 
Okay, so all the scribbling on a base map is close to impossible to read, and as (self-)designated Map Whipping Boy I decided to do something about it. This is what the final borders of the currently winning partition plan will look like when implemented:



Mmmm, that's some nice bordergore. :9

Blue is the proposed Federation of Autonomous Systems (FAS), and pink is the United Rimward Collective (URC).

EDIT: Also, because this has been bugging the shit out of me for the last forever, the following is a list of planets that were canonically abandoned during the Succession Wars but are still on Prometheus' map for some goddamned reason and were therefore included in the spoils:

Chouli​
FAS claim​
Gardnaus​
Taurian claim​
Jacobabad​
URC claim​
Kazu​
Taurian claim​
Kumqwat​
FAS claim​
Lochmantle​
Taurian claim​
Merdal​
Aurigan claim​
Merlin​
Taurian claim​
Oligar​
FedSuns claim​
Sanurcha​
FAS claim​
Sindalin​
Taurian claim​
Sunnywood​
Aurigan claim​
Tetschner​
Capellan claim​
Traussin​
URC claim​
Valdives​
Taurian claim​
Victralla​
Taurian claim​
Werfer​
Taurian claim​
Yongd​
FAS claim​
Zalzangor​
URC claim​
 
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Mal-3 said:
Okay, so all the scribbling on a base map is close to impossible to read, and as (self-)designated Map Whipping Boy I decided to do something about it. This is what the final borders of the currently winning partition plan will look like when implemented:



Mmmm, that's some nice bordergore. :9

Blue is the proposed Federation of Autonomous Systems (FAS), and pink is the United Rimward Collective (URC).
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Good gods the bordergore is even worse with map quality up! :V

Thanks btw.
 
Hmm, with the map, it's looking pretty clear that Brusett and Lothair are gonna have trouble being linked to the rest of the FAS. They're not within the 30 LYs for a Jumpship. Should I swap them over to the URC instead?
 
Fair. Hmm, though if Kautokeino is uninhabited, then I don't think there'll be any issue with pushing it to the FAS instead, just for the sake of slightly less hideous borders. And Brusett - Kautokeino - Sanurcha is a good pathway that stays within the 30 LY per jump distance.
 
Chimeraguard said:
Fair. Hmm, though if Kautokeino is uninhabited, then I don't think there'll be any issue with pushing it to the FAS instead, just for the sake of slightly less hideous borders. And Brusett - Kautokeino - Sanurcha is a good pathway that stays within the 30 LY per jump distance.
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Okay, to head this level of horse-trading off at the pass: the maps I make use the same generator program that Sarna uses for their individual system maps. The program looks at a spreadsheet of all the listed systems in the Inner Sphere to determine where lines go, based on the historical timeframe and what allegiance it's tagged with. Systems that are marked as abandoned are treated like they don't exist by the drawing script, so borders will just ignore them. It doesn't matter who owns Kautokeino - the FAS, the URC, the Fedrats, the People's Republic of Van Zandt - the border will always look like that unless it's flagged as inhabited.
 
Chimeraguard said:
Hmm, with the map, it's looking pretty clear that Brusett and Lothair are gonna have trouble being linked to the rest of the FAS. They're not within the 30 LYs for a Jumpship. Should I swap them over to the URC instead?
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Are they within 30 LYs if Kautokeino is included in FAS? Sarna has no information about why it was abandoned, so maybe it could be restored and given to FAS in the future?
 
Mal-3 said:
Okay, to head this level of horse-trading off at the pass: the maps I make use the same generator program that Sarna uses for their individual system maps. The program looks at a spreadsheet of all the listed systems in the Inner Sphere to determine where lines go, based on the historical timeframe and what allegiance it's tagged with. Systems that are marked as abandoned are treated like they don't exist by the drawing script, so borders will just ignore them. It doesn't matter who owns Kautokeino - the FAS, the URC, the Fedrats, the People's Republic of Van Zandt - the border will always look like that unless it's flagged as inhabited.
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What tool is that, anyway? I don't actually have the ability to update any maps properly ATM.

Edit: Found it or something similar
 
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prometheus110 said:
What tool is that, anyway? I don't actually have the ability to update any maps properly ATM.

Edit: Found it or something similar
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GitHub - aquachris/sarna-img-generator: A collection of scripts that generate planetary systems images used on sarna.net

A collection of scripts that generate planetary systems images used on sarna.net - aquachris/sarna-img-generator
github.com

Just in case anybody else wants to give it a whirl. It's quite malleable if you're willing to do awful things to xlsx spreadsheets, and the SVG output doesn't quite open correctly in Inkscape, but it works pretty well overall.

EDIT: The link for the dataset in the README is out of date; for the most up-to-date set of coordinates (as of 10 Oct 2023) download this Google Sheet in xlsx form as Systems By Era.xlsx
 
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Okay, so slightly edited map.
Had to change the border colors, but has Flintoft as part of the FAS, plus nominally putting Kautokeino within the FAS as well. If no one has any objections, I'll replace the old map in my plan with this.

Also, with Prometheus's word that now's the time to set up an Outback relief plan, waiting for someone to write out how to do that to attach it to my plan.
 
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