Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That would have been the issue with just sending Izzy and Alec with the doctors, they would have no reason not to use devil-invested cybernetics to help with the diagnosis and treatment

IS there any reason not to use devil-invested cybernetics? I'd understand if this was something more serious like replacing body parts, but I don't see the issue with a small stud that can, I presume, be easily removed afterward. Or is it the 'devil' part? I'd have assumed they're safe to use, despite the name.
 
IS there any reason not to use devil-invested cybernetics? I'd understand if this was something more serious like replacing body parts, but I don't see the issue with a small stud that can, I presume, be easily removed afterward. Or is it the 'devil' part? I'd have assumed they're safe to use, despite the name.
If nothing else, Molly would probably be concerned that the implant would not work properly once her friends return to Earth. It probably will, but she hasn't had a chance to test that out and doing so with her friends as guinea pigs isn't something she would do casually.
 
IS there any reason not to use devil-invested cybernetics? I'd understand if this was something more serious like replacing body parts, but I don't see the issue with a small stud that can, I presume, be easily removed afterward. Or is it the 'devil' part? I'd have assumed they're safe to use, despite the name.

Well for one thing you do not know what their feelings on the matter would be. It is also still bolting on alien machinery and a dark spirit to someone, even for the simplest examples of said melding.
 
Well for one thing you do not know what their feelings on the matter would be. It is also still bolting on alien machinery and a dark spirit to someone, even for the simplest examples of said melding.
Indeed. I mean, I am fairly sure there's at least a 50% chance of their reaction being along the lines of "cool, chip me in!" when they wake up and have some time to process, but it should be their choice.
 
She, and your other techno-demonic friends can download the languages... if you can sort out the hardware compatibility issues.

If they have any sort of radiowave encrypting-decrypting computer we can just put one beside an earth tranceiver put a cyber-devil in each and let them figure out a wireless signal translation method.
 
If they have any sort of radiowave encrypting-decrypting computer we can just put one beside an earth tranceiver put a cyber-devil in each and let them figure out a wireless signal translation method.

They do and that is doable yeah, though unlike a direct plug in that would take a while since the bandwidth would be limited and they would have to figure it out on their own
 
I really did enjoy Harry using what he knows to try and figure out just what this place is and where they are.

It's also very sweet that Molly seems to have earned esteem and trust with Harry that he automatically dismisses things that seem demonic but are associated with Molly as not really demonic.

Good catch on Molly's part, I really hadn't considered culture clash to arise so quickly in a medical setting.

Also bravo to Michael doing his absolute best to reassure Molly even as he himself is in over his head considering the implications going on.
I bey he's grateful to have a Wizard on hand to really handle boggling at the metaphysical ramifications.
 
"It's a Nevernever realm, a big one, bigger than any I've heard of outside of Faerie, but I'm not an expert in things like that," Harry speaks up. "The people here, I'm not sure what you would call them. Denizens maybe? They feel like demons, but then so do you, that doesn't mean anything." The casual way he says it makes you feel warm inside. "We need to figure out the Way to get home once they get looked at..."

Seems a bit slow on the uptake; it was already obviously a nevernever(ish) realm*, the size and details were just unknown.

I'm surprised he isn't placing more emphasis on it being created by Molly but having a history older than her. Does he not buy the claim, or his he just shelving that until he's not standing in the middle of the place?

Also, surprised he hadn't reacted to the tech not blowing up yet.

* interesting that he flatly dismissed the bit about it being part of snd contained within in Molly's soul. I wonder if he'll revise that opinion if we start using lord of the land in front of him.

It's not magic after all, it's just Molly moving new spiritual limbs. They probably don't look the same.


"Pardon the impudence of one who wishes to understand only so that she may better serve you," Ameli says into the silence that follows. "But where do where did you travel from Majesty and who are your companions?"
That's a heavy theological question. She's basically asking her god what was going on prior to "let there be light".

Prayer eating (4 dot charm of the prayer eating charm line) as written kind of sucks, but it's very clearly hasn't been written with the idea that you can have millions or billions of followers (see that the rules specify how much essence 10 followers can provide, but doesn't say anything about large scale congregations: "This Charm can't grant more than one point of Essence for every 10 worshipers present, and a single congregation can't provide a banquet of Essence more than once per day.".)

Let's say that we led a collaborative prayer ritual of the courts. For the sake of logistics let's say that only (hah!) one billion souls participated. Since magical rituals can be collaborative where you pool together your dice pools for total successes, and prayer eating is explicitely possible for non-exalts (to quote "The Hungry Dead of the Indian subcontinent practice a spiritual discipline that is regarded as heretical and abhorrent by their cousins farther east. Some believe it to have been taught by the debased spirits known as the Yama Kings, while others simply regard it as a blasphemous affront against Heaven undertaken by corpses with pretentions of divinity.") let's say that there are trained priests among the population who can take utilize prayer eating and either transfer that power to us directly (like we fed motes to the Cauldron when forging Bane), or use the power gathered themselves to add to the ritual. Dropping the efficiency from 1 mote per ten worshipers to 1 mote per 1000 worshipers (i.e. to 1% of the theoretical max), we still get one megamote of essence going into a ritual. Or, if we are translating motes into dice on the ritual, tens if not hundreds of thousands of successes.

The point of the exalted where you start adding kilo, much less mega to your mote count is the point where you start forging Unconquered Sun, or even Creation anew. That's the level of power appropriate for the time of Primordial Glory.

Personally, I intend to suggest we take Prayer Eating to 4 dots (because 5 is not Molly's vibe at all), and then use that insane power to forge city gods for all five cities, possibly in the reflections of the Maidens of all (I am in the process of stat block and fluff writing, it is going slowly). Or some other capital W wonder. The point is, collaborative magic ritual rules + Prayer Eating rules + billion-strong population (which really should be Cult N/A) = infinite possibilities.

EDIT: When we are the only one with Prayer eating, it's very limited. When we are a head of religions with billions of followers and trained priest-sorcerers who also know prayer eating in our name, it scales to something insane.
Maybe, but there have to be practical limits to scale. A billion people without a doubt in their hearts is a lot to ask for, and logistically is probably the largest event ever organized by anyone.
 
Seems a bit slow on the uptake; it was already obviously a nevernever(ish) realm*, the size and details were just unknown.

I'm surprised he isn't placing more emphasis on it being created by Molly but having a history older than her. Does he not buy the claim, or his he just shelving that until he's not standing in the middle of the place?

Also, surprised he hadn't reacted to the tech not blowing up yet.
  1. Harry does not seem inclined to take your word that you made it and do be fair 'acausal creation' does seem less likely than Molly being mistaken
  2. It is the Nevernever, he assumes whatever stands in for tech here does not suffer from the techbane. Once you bring the stuff over and it does not melt into ectoplasm then he will start having questions
 
  1. Harry does not seem inclined to take your word that you made it and do be fair 'acausal creation' does seem less likely than Molly being mistaken
  2. It is the Nevernever, he assumes whatever stands in for tech here does not suffer from the techbane. Once you bring the stuff over and it does not melt into ectoplasm then he will start having questions
uh whats it take to convince him otherwise? Like eventually like would bob seeing it, lash telling him, or anything else?
 
  1. Harry does not seem inclined to take your word that you made it and do be fair 'acausal creation' does seem less likely than Molly being mistaken
  2. It is the Nevernever, he assumes whatever stands in for tech here does not suffer from the techbane. Once you bring the stuff over and it does not melt into ectoplasm then he will start having questions
That's fair, though sort of annoying. Not sure how to demonstrate to him that Molly really did have a demiurge moment and wasn't particularly concerned with temporal traffic law when she did.

I guess it doesn't really matter though. He doesn't have to believe us to see that we have great personal power here, politically and magically.
 
uh whats it take to convince him otherwise? Like eventually like would bob seeing it, lash telling him, or anything else?
Long term - we bring stuff out. Like magic-using and magic-resistant technology and some attendants, and maybe some plants / seeds that could grow in Earth-like environment. Also Lash and Bob. And possibly Mab.

Short term it doesn't matter.
It's also very sweet that Molly seems to have earned esteem and trust with Harry that he automatically dismisses things that seem demonic but are associated with Molly as not really demonic.
Hopefully this means that he won't be too averse to using our stuff. He could really use a power armor, and some magic guns.
 
Do you want to ask him that IC? Molly can't read his mind so it's ask or guess.
explain to him that nothing here is made of exoplasm, tell him that we can affect what is essentially planetary weather, tell him the information we have, that if someone saw us through a soulgaze they'd see this world. Any technobabble that makes it more believable?
 
Long term - we bring stuff out. Like magic-using and magic-resistant technology and some attendants, and maybe some plants / seeds that could grow in Earth-like environment. Also Lash and Bob. And possibly Mab.

Short term it doesn't matter.

Hopefully this means that he won't be too averse to using our stuff. He could really use a power armor, and some magic guns.
uh not long term I'd riot if we don't bring back reading material.
 
What proof do we have that we can present to him essentially that shows we know what we're talking about? Like he already knows our power is something that helped kill something that predates gods.
 
[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[x][Stunt]You know how the Scholars of the City of Scrolls call this world Sanctuary? Well the outside world is very dangerous place where people die the final death just by being killed. When I created this world it was with the idea of making the safest place possible and I have reason to think that I succeeded.
 
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Hopefully this means that he won't be too averse to using our stuff. He could really use a power armor, and some magic guns.
Power armor is a bit much; he'd probably never really have the chance to us anything he can't carry around in public. His wizarding items are strange but harmless looking to mortal eyes, actual power armor is a lot more attention grabbing. Guns and tools would definitely be useful though. Maybe AC and heating units for his apartment that won't explode when he turns them on.

In terms of convincing Harry I think the other half is making a display with lord of the land before we go.

Everything about this place other than the people and creatures living in it answer to Molly's will for no more effort than moving her arms. Even without him doing something as foolish as looking at it with the sight his magic senses seem likely to pick something up out of that.
 
Power armor is a bit much; he'd probably never really have the chance to us anything he can't carry around in public.
There might be something low profile enough for him to wear.
Guns and tools would definitely be useful though.
Instant sobriety (there are probably anti-venom versions too), multi-tasking, and internet /database connection implants would be damn useful for him.

And yeah, home appliances too.

As to convincing him - what does it matter right now (and within the next day or so) if he believes this to be a NeverNever realm, rather than the acausally created manifestation of Molly's soul? He'll learn in due time and with additional research.
 
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