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uju32 said:
I suspect it wouldn't have worked the way they planned, given as Humanity keeps sexing all sorts of magical entities. Their understanding of magic heredity might even be wrong. And the White God and his agents probably would have an opinion, as would other factions in the setting who know why the White Council is important
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I think they could probably have gotten away with quite a bit before anyone noticed or the people invoked with the Outer Gates started to care.

The white council only needs enough people to fill a few key rolls after all, and the defenses of reality aren't a charity.

That's why Mab was willing to make them squirm for access to the nevernever during the war with the reds in canon.

This isn't DnD either, screwing magical creatures doesn't implicitly get you magic, and may actively mess with your ability to be a mortal wizard. See how white court vamps don't typically have mage children, or how most half human/half something else tend to be locked into a power set determined by their parentage.

Talents would still spontaneously emerged, but a sufficient culling would likely have significantly weakened the council.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I think they could probably have gotten away with quite a bit before anyone noticed or the people invoked with the Outer Gates started to care.

The white council only needs enough people to fill a few key rolls after all, and the defenses of reality aren't a charity.

That's why Mab was willing to make them squirm for access to the nevernever during the war with the reds in canon.

This isn't DnD either, screwing magical creatures doesn't implicitly get you magic, and may actively mess with your ability to be a mortal wizard. See how white court vamps don't typically have mage children, or how most half human/half something else tend to be locked into a power set determined by their parentage.

Talents would still spontaneously emerged, but a sufficient culling would likely have significantly weakened the council.
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Doubt it. Rashid is a precog, and there's at least one wizard with Divination Magic.

They would have killed quite a few people yes.
Whether they would actually have succeeded in their stated goal is a different matter. Of course, the Black Council and the Outsiders are quite happy for both sides to lose, the bloodier the better.


Screwing magical creatures won't necessarily make your kid a mortal wizard, and might lock them into a template, but it will give them magic of some sort. Pretty much every halfbreed we have seen gets some. And in this AU, Merlin was a half-incubus apparently. And by the time it goes through a generation later?


You know we still havent looked up Charity's family. Butcher has onscreen established that Michael's lineage goes back to Charlemagne, but Charity is a blank. I bring this up because there was a theory I saw that part of the reason Molly was eligible to be Winter Lady was because Charity's lineage had Winter Fae somewhere in it.And that was part of the reason Lea mentioned Molly to Michael on their meeting in Grave Peril.


That was certainly their belief.
Whether it would actually have worked? Different matter. Just looking at the mechanics, did the White Court have coverage in Africa? Or India? Certainly the areas where the Jade Court operated in South East Asia were off-limits.
 
uju32 said:
Doubt it. Rashid is a precog, and there's at least one wizard with Divination Magic.

They would have killed quite a few people yes.
Whether they would actually have succeeded in their stated goal is a different matter. Of course, the Black Council and the Outsiders are quite happy for both sides to lose, the bloodier the better.


Screwing magical creatures won't necessarily make your kid a mortal wizard, and might lock them into a template, but it will give them magic of some sort. Pretty much every halfbreed we have seen gets some. And in this AU, Merlin was a half-incubus apparently. And by the time it goes through a generation later?


You know we still havent looked up Charity's family. Butcher has onscreen established that Michael's lineage goes back to Charlemagne, but Charity is a blank. I bring this up because there was a theory I saw that part of the reason Molly was eligible to be Winter Lady was because Charity's lineage had Winter Fae somewhere in it.And that was part of the reason Lea mentioned Molly to Michael on their meeting in Grave Peril.


That was certainly their belief.
Whether it would actually have worked? Different matter. Just looking at the mechanics, did the White Court have coverage in Africa? Or India? Certainly the areas where the Jade Court operated in South East Asia were off-limits.
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There are a lot of limits to DF divination, so I wouldn't count on it to actually pick up on stuff like this unless you already know a lot about what you're asking after. See how the red court constantly caught the council by surprise during the war.

You have a point about their reach, but presumably they could work out something via influence games if it got that far.

It might end up being impractical in the end, but even if they didn't wipe them out it could weaken the council enough to get them in a position to be crushed by other means.
 
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-[X] Earning the Order's trust was no small matter, so we won't risk damaging that by handing out their information without first learning whether they wish to share it. If they do, then we'll reach out and give Murphy the contact details for someone.

Murphy is a cop, the police are not the friends of any vulnerable group. While she personally isn't likely to directly do anything problematic with the information, coming to the attention of even part of the CPD is not a good thing for the Order.
 
BronzeTongue said:
There are a lot of limits to DF divination, so I wouldn't count on it to actually pick up on stuff like this unless you already know a lot about what you're asking after. See how the red court constantly caught the council by surprise during the war.

You have a point about their reach, but presumably they could work out something via influence games if it got that far.

It might end up being impractical in the end, but even if they didn't wipe them out it could weaken the council enough to get them in a position to be crushed by other means.
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The Red Court had a mole. Or moles.
After the Council adjusted after the events of Dead Beat, the surprises stopped. No idea if Chandler was also whammied by Peabody. May have been.


They could certainly try. Would try.
What we know of the Jade Court doesnt suggest theyd be interested; just the risk of driving magically talented humans to seek the protection of Yomi Wan is Bad. And Africa is a big question mark in setting, as is most of India.


As opposed to the White Council pulling off multiple bloodline curses in retaliation? Grab a junior Whampire and pull a Chitchen Itza using the leyline nexus at Edinburgh to decapitate entire bloodlines and Houses. The White Court shares a lot of the same reproductive vulnerabilities the White Council does, and they have a smaller pool of fledgelings.


My personal impression was that it was a ploy to destroy both the White Council AND the White Court by embedded Black Council and Outsider agents. Playing on the sense of superiority of some old Whampires for support.
 
uju32 said:
Molly spent two or three years after learning she had magic looking for instruction and never stumbled across them in this AU. Canon Dresden knew one or two on sight in passing at Mac's but never figured out the organization existed.
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And yet,we were able to find them in less than a month, without excellencies. Anyone actually looking would be able to find them easily enough. Probably start with Mac's, actually, if not doing online searches. Put a security camera on a nearby property, then do facial recognition.
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I'll take that bet.
I dont see the LoC being quite so reckless as to attempt to spy on someone who got a contract off Odin at short notice and solo'd a greater emissary of Yomi Wan. While trying to cultivate a relationship. They haven't survived two hundred years by being reckless. It is as unlikely as assuming they have copies of Dresden's phone records.

Not to mention theyd actually need a warrant to pull your phone records, and the SCD is not law enforcement, and generally dont want to come to the notice of the court system.


Daedalus are spectacularly ill-informed. Or rather underinformed if you prefer.
I would make no such assumption. Especially since Helen Beckitt went to jail on drug trafficking charges, not anything to do with magic. Victor Sells being a sorcerer would be in no CPD files.
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Two words: national security. We are a credible risk to it. Even outside of being an exalt. They would be stupid not to access our phone records and check where we went and who we associated with. Obtaining a warrant should be trivial on the basis of being connected to Dresden or
uju32 said:
Furthermore, Helen currently works for John Marcone, the known head of the Chicago Outfit in her day job as a brothel madam health gym manager. She is likely known to the Organized Crime divisions of both the CPD and FBI. Which you can see would be a problem for a police department to see her phone number and that of her associates receiving special service. The sort of problem that involves detailed explanations to Internal Affairs, suspensions and possibly a grand jury.
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this, basically. Organized crime angle is easy to spin, because, let's be honest, we are a part of an organized crime organization. Setting one up, in fact.
uju32 said:
They set up a cover story pointing at religious nutjobs.
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This is speculation. Don't present this as fact.
 
uju32 said:
They're immortals. They think longterm.

Magic, to the best of IC knowledge is inherited from mothers. The point was to kill off the female minor talents who are the parents and grandparents of the next generation of wizards, preventing the White Council from recovering its casualties from the war with the Reds.

Essentially, they tried to demonstrate that the White Court could do to the White Council what they did to the Black Court of vampires.


I suspect it wouldn't have worked the way they planned, given as Humanity keeps sexing all sorts of magical entities. Their understanding of magic heredity might even be wrong. And the White God and his agents probably would have an opinion, as would other factions in the setting who know why the White Council is important.

But it would have certainly gotten thousands of female talents killed, and kicked off an even bigger war. Naturally, the sort of thing the Black Council and the Walkers wanted.
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Though in fairness to the White God I'm fairly sure as far as hes concerned white court are still humans. Its also pretty clear free will does allow things such as dooming humanity if it truly comes to it in canon. Even if the White God doesn't approve.
 
uju32 said:
Doubt it. Rashid is a precog, and there's at least one wizard with Divination Magic.

They would have killed quite a few people yes.
Whether they would actually have succeeded in their stated goal is a different matter. Of course, the Black Council and the Outsiders are quite happy for both sides to lose, the bloodier the better.


Screwing magical creatures won't necessarily make your kid a mortal wizard, and might lock them into a template, but it will give them magic of some sort. Pretty much every halfbreed we have seen gets some. And in this AU, Merlin was a half-incubus apparently. And by the time it goes through a generation later?


You know we still havent looked up Charity's family. Butcher has onscreen established that Michael's lineage goes back to Charlemagne, but Charity is a blank. I bring this up because there was a theory I saw that part of the reason Molly was eligible to be Winter Lady was because Charity's lineage had Winter Fae somewhere in it.And that was part of the reason Lea mentioned Molly to Michael on their meeting in Grave Peril.


That was certainly their belief.
Whether it would actually have worked? Different matter. Just looking at the mechanics, did the White Court have coverage in Africa? Or India? Certainly the areas where the Jade Court operated in South East Asia were off-limits.
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For certain countries in the world the white councils official presence might genuinely just be one dude. Like their influence has increased past couple centuries they sure as hell are still euro centric. Not to say they have no power bases in certain non european areas. Just you know less and sometimes near non existent.
 
Yog said:
And yet,we were able to find them in less than a month, without excellencies. Anyone actually looking would be able to find them easily enough. Probably start with Mac's, actually, if not doing online searches. Put a security camera on a nearby property, then do facial recognition.
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We were on a divinely-assigned mission with a Knight of the Cross. Coincidence works out that way for people on the job.

What nearby property? This is a city; that's all private property and sightlines are limited. You can't just set up surveillance equipment in someone else's house or shop.

Given that this is a collection of magic people, your camera has a pretty poor life expectancy.
And frankly, the idea that a micro-conspiracy of Whites are going to risk infringing on Mab's guarantees is lunacy. Nevermind all the other people who use that location for meetings, from the Winter and Summer Ladies to the Archive to Odin to Mab, who will take offence.

Yog said:
Two words: national security. We are a credible risk to it. Even outside of being an exalt. They would be stupid not to access our phone records and check where we went and who we associated with. Obtaining a warrant should be trivial on the basis of being connected to Dresden or
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1)Of course we are. But they don't know it. We told them very little about our abilities.
Now go ahead and explain how the just turned 18 year old is a threat to national security to a federal judge. Be sure to explain magic as well.


2)They would be stupid to.

Our phone records are entangled with the Carpenter household records, and until two or three months ago, there would have been nothing to see. Furthermore, the fact that they are aware angels exist, and that Molly is operating with their knowledge is a warning in and of itself.

Its as fucking stupid as attempting to blackmail Dresden into working for you with a trumped up criminal charge. And if there's a reason we're giving the Librarians the time of day, it's because they arent stupid.

Yog said:
this, basically. Organized crime angle is easy to spin, because, let's be honest, we are a part of an organized crime organization. Setting one up, in fact.
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Sure.

Again, go ahead and present evidence of organized crime activity masterminded by a girl who just turned 18 this November, in sufficient amount to convince a judge to give you wiretap authority. And be sure to explain to said judge why the Library of Congress,an organization with no statutory law enforcement authority, is demanding it.

I'll wait.

Warrants aren't actually shit you can just go out and get willy nilly on a pinky swear. Not in the US, at any rate. Theres abuses, but every time you go up to a judge, you actually have to try to make a plausible, convincing case.

Yog said:
This is speculation. Don't present this as fact.
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My dude.
How do you think the vampire knew about her ongoing harassment if it wasn't him who put it there? WE and apparently the rest of Cauldron didn't know, and if she hadnt mentioned it to Cauldron she sure as hell wasn't talking about it to randos.
 
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uju32 said:
1)Of course we are. But they don't know it. We told them very little about our abilities.
Now go ahead and explain how the just turned 18 year old is a threat to national security to a federal judge. Be sure to explain magic as well.
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They have akuma prisoners, who they interrogated. We are an 18 year old capable of singlehandedly destroying a greater akuma of Kakuri, with no particular difficulty at all. And calling in some manner of supernatural mercenary force. And we were the target of a major Kakuri operation to start with, which already makes us a person of interest. Before that, a follow-up investigation of our involvement in the Golden Memories debacle would have revealed a number of our capabilities. And yes, they absolutely would know that we were involved - MIchael has been tracked by Red Court via mundane means. Do you really think that LoC has less capabilities on their home turf than a short-term operation by Red Court?

LoC knows that we are something powerful, strange, and dangerous. They have idea of at least some of our capabilities. They absolutely have been investigating us.
uju32 said:
What nearby property? This is a city; that's all private property and sightlines are limited. You can't just set up surveillance equipment in someone else's house or shop.
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You absolutely can. You either rent an apartment, or start a front business nearby.
uju32 said:
2)They would be stupid to.

Our phone records are entangled with the Carpenter household records, and until two or three months ago, there would have been nothing to see. Furthermore, the fact that they are aware angels exist, and that Molly is operating with their knowledge is a warning in and of itself.
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If you think that Carpenter phones aren't being monitored, well, I have two bridges to sell you. And yes, angels would absolutely allow that. This is mundane stuff.

And even leaving that aside, it has been nearly half a year since our exaltation. Months since our major involvement in a number of high profile cases that LoC would have investigated. Our phone records are being monitored, no ifs and no buts. I am willing to burn a question to check by who, but there definitely are groups doing it.
uju32 said:
Again, go ahead and present evidence of organized crime activity masterminded by a girl who just turned 18 this November, in sufficient amount to convince a judge to give you wiretap authority. And be sure to explain to said judge why the Library of Congress,an organization with no statutory law enforcement authority, is demanding it.
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Who said anything about masterminding? Also, national security. If you think that there aren't supernatural aware judges who can issue relevant warrants... I'm very surprised at your naivete.
uju32 said:
How do you think the vampire knew about her ongoing harassment if it wasn't him who put it there? WE and apparently the rest of Cauldron didn't know, and if she hadnt mentioned it to Cauldron she sure as hell wasn't talking about it to randos.
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The vampire has clearly been stalking her. Might have gone through her mail - if you are positing that they were going to use her to find other order members, that would make perfect sense to do. Order didn't know because they didn't pry into her personal life, and she didn't tell them. The vampire did pry.
 
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I will say one thing on the matter of Daedalus and angels, back in the 60s when the CIA was doing things with the occult that ended in hellfire they did not actually believe in angels, that is how they ended up needing the knights. Now mind you know the Library of Congress knows what an Angel and a Sword is... did they tell Daedalus that? Go back and see how the nice lady from Trier talked about them. Would she be sharing high level secrets and deep lore with Congress latest project into the supernatural.
 
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[X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
-[X] Earning the Order's trust was no small matter, so we won't risk damaging that by handing out their information without first learning whether they wish to share it. If they do, then we'll reach out and give Murphy the contact details for someone.
 
[X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
-[X] Earning the Order's trust was no small matter, so we won't risk damaging that by handing out their information without first learning whether they wish to share it. If they do, then we'll reach out and give Murphy the contact details for someone.
 
Going back a step, I think the IC belief is that magical talent is induced by sufficient prenatal exposure to magic. That's very likely to happen to the children of magic using mothers (as magic users seem to carry a magical 'charge' that takes time to fade even if they stop using magic), but the child of a magic using father who spends a lot of time around their pregnant partner would probably also qualify.

As would, probably, non-magical staff of magic users who spend time near their employers while pregnant.

The White Court was planning a numbers game here though. They don't need to eliminate the next generation of wizards, just meaningfully shrink it.
 
uju32 said:
We were on a divinely-assigned mission with a Knight of the Cross. Coincidence works out that way for people on the job.

What nearby property? This is a city; that's all private property and sightlines are limited. You can't just set up surveillance equipment in someone else's house or shop.

Given that this is a collection of magic people, your camera has a pretty poor life expectancy.
And frankly, the idea that a micro-conspiracy of Whites are going to risk infringing on Mab's guarantees is lunacy. Nevermind all the other people who use that location for meetings, from the Winter and Summer Ladies to the Archive to Odin to Mab, who will take offence.


1)Of course we are. But they don't know it. We told them very little about our abilities.
Now go ahead and explain how the just turned 18 year old is a threat to national security to a federal judge. Be sure to explain magic as well.


2)They would be stupid to.

Our phone records are entangled with the Carpenter household records, and until two or three months ago, there would have been nothing to see. Furthermore, the fact that they are aware angels exist, and that Molly is operating with their knowledge is a warning in and of itself.

Its as fucking stupid as attempting to blackmail Dresden into working for you with a trumped up criminal charge. And if there's a reason we're giving the Librarians the time of day, it's because they arent stupid.


Sure.

Again, go ahead and present evidence of organized crime activity masterminded by a girl who just turned 18 this November, in sufficient amount to convince a judge to give you wiretap authority. And be sure to explain to said judge why the Library of Congress,an organization with no statutory law enforcement authority, is demanding it.

I'll wait.

Warrants aren't actually shit you can just go out and get willy nilly on a pinky swear. Not in the US, at any rate. Theres abuses, but every time you go up to a judge, you actually have to try to make a plausible, convincing case.


My dude.
How do you think the vampire knew about her ongoing harassment if it wasn't him who put it there? WE and apparently the rest of Cauldron didn't know, and if she hadnt mentioned it to Cauldron she sure as hell wasn't talking about it to randos.
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Offhand any opinions on my supposition that the White God would if disapprove wouldn't exactly interfere on the free will of white court vampires? That they probably count as humans as far as their concerned? That the White God at least in canon are very much willing to let the world die or suffer even if they don't approve if its human free will that causes it?
 
OK, by a pretty wide margin looks like Molly is not telling Murphy what she wants to know.

Onward, lets see how Lara takes this.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 18, 2023 at 6:30 AM, finished with 101 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
    -[X] Earning the Order's trust was no small matter, so we won't risk damaging that by handing out their information without first learning whether they wish to share it. If they do, then we'll reach out and give Murphy the contact details for someone.
    [X] Call Anna, and ask her to call others. You need a group meeting to decide this.
    -[X] Use Empathy excellency
    -[X] STUNT: You step out of the car and into the invigorating chill of winter. Making sure lt. Murphy can't gear you, you dial Anna: "Anna, hello. Has dr. Jackson called you yet? She was attacked tonight. She's ok, I got her to safety. There is likely to be trouble for some time. I am here with lieutenant Murphy of Chicago Special Investigations division. She's good people. Saved my life several times. She wants to help. I trust her, and her people helped me before too, with stuff like providing security to Lydia's cemetery party. She wants to set up something to provide better security for order members, but she needs their identities for that. This is not a decision I can make on my own. How soon can a meeting be held?"
    [X] Give her Anna's name and address, as the leader of the Ordo she would be the most trusted, but she is also rather.. prickly
    [X] Give her multiple names
    -[X] All of them
    [X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
    -[X] Earning the Order's trust was no small matter, so we won't risk damaging that by handing out their information without first learning whether they wish to share it. If they do, then we'll reach out and give Murphy the contact details for someone.
    -[X] Would that information stay within the CPD or go further to, let's say the librarians?
    [X] Give her Olivia's name and address, given her taxation without representation speech something tells you she'd be willing to recount everything she knows about the magical world on a dime
    [X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
    -[X] I'll bring it up with them, but this isn't something I should decide for them.
    [X] You cannot share any names with her at this time
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    • Riddles by Firelight ​

    9th of November 2006 A.D.

    This is not an easy request to set aside, all the more so for it being honestly meant. Not only has Detective Murphy gone out of her way not to seem like she is dictating terms, to take your thoughts and plans into consideration, but she has given a pretty decent argument. You cannot be in more than one place at any one time and the people you might be able to set to the task are... ghouls and vampires, probably not who Anna wants lingering under her eves. But... that does not change the fact that you can think of dozens of ways for such a list to slip out, a bribe here, a touch of hacking there, Special Investigation is not secure, it is not made to be secure. At the end of the day its purpose is to explain away the monster under the bed, not go down there and fumigate the thing.

    "I'm sorry I can't do this without consent, I'll give them your phone. If they want to reach out..." As her expression darkens you add: "I can think of at least one person who is almost guaranteed to call. She's not very happy with the whole secret world thing."

    Frustration turns to surprise. "Really, from what Harry's said I thought all wizards, everyone who does magic is happy to be left alone."

    "Have you ever encountered a group of people who are universally into respecting the traditions they have been passed down? Especially people around my age?"

    "Hmm... I can see that, kind of like kids raised on a commune who grow up to join the force. I know a guy like that." The comparison is a surprisingly apt one only the distance from mundane is not physical but mental, at least here in the city. You are reminded of that farm in the Ozarks you had glimpsed in a vision. Maybe as they get older wizards, whose lives stretch on for far longer than other people, to seek to set themselves more starkly apart from a society that is racing by.

    You shake off the thought. "Sorry, woolgathering on the matter of why are wizards."

    "Any answers on that front?" she asks wryly sparking an urge to smile back... which dies back when you remember Harry has the hots for her and then you do smile back anyway, because you are not that petty.

    "Too many, most of them contradictory, I could write a book on it."

    "Well if you ever do consider sending me a copy as quid pro quo for what I am about to do tonight."

    You raise an eyebrow in askance.

    "We are going to drive off to a nice wooded place where there aren't any people or cameras and then you are going to do your thing to the body and I am going to check if it's good enough. I don't want to explain to your father how you are under investigation for murder now because you were seen dropping charred remains in the lake."

    She is as good as her word. The two of you drive to the West Ridge Nature Preserve and there under the rustling shadow of the red oak and river birch you take out the body and with a swift strike of sword and essence obliterate it in a fountain of incandescent green, though you do keep one of his gloves as a focus for scrying. Then you conjure what the distant whispers of the Wicked City inform you is an ' argent purgation instrument' which one might be forgiven for mistaking for a flame thrower but is in fact the preferred way to clearing out circuit-bound resonance chambers of the remains of sacrifices. Black Rider flashes his signal lights in discomfort when you use them so you kind of pat the dashboard and promise him a waxing to make up for it.

    Lost 2 Essence -> Now at 10/15 (TTC and GSNF)

    "Satisfied?" you ask Detective Murphy.

    "Yes," she sighs. It does not take Sherlock Holmes to realize what she is doing out in the middle of a nature preserve at half past ten checking a seventeen year old's ability to deal with bodies. Then, perhaps as much to distract herself as anything, she says: "This isn't the only strange happening going on lately, when I got the call I thought it might be connected."

    You motion for her to go on in spite of the fact that you are getting near a crossing. It's not like you have to pay attention to the road.

    "The elephants at Brookfield Zoo, Christy and Affie died suddenly, both in the same night. Not sure what's on the paperwork, but I'm willing to bet it's not what the vet on staff said it was. He was claiming something ripped out their hearts to anyone who would listen. Three days later he was gone, vanished like he had walked away from his life. His bank account had been drained. People do that from time to time, but generally not right after elephant related weirdness."

    Skinwalkers, the suspicion is instant. "Did you talk to Harry about it?" you ask carefully.

    She nods and conforms that Harry had said it was something to do with the evil shape-changer. Great just great, Harry is on the trail of a cannibalistic demigod and his groupies and you have to deal with vampire politics victimizing the local talents as proof of concept.

    How much to you tell Lara?

    [] Just the attack and the names, you could have picked all this up through very skilled but still 'normal' divination

    [] Include what the Crown revealed about their purpose, it might be vital to catching all the traitors and maybe tracing this back to the source even if it is revealing an uncomfortable amount about your powers

    [] Write in

    OOC: Since you were on the level with Murphy if not quite as forthcoming as she might have preferred she is going to unwind and talk about some stuff. Trust isn't just about big dramatic revelations it is also being relaxed enough to mention stuff in passing.
     
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    • Hey dp usum is so old thats he a magical being who should be incapable of forgetting things has forgotten them right? Like can he remember the age of legends at all or like some brief notes on who his last exalted was?
     
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    Hey dp usum is so old thats he a magical being who should be incapable of forgetting things has forgotten them right? Like can he remember the age of legends at all or like some brief notes on who his last exalted was?
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    With the passing of ages all things are worn, only the exaltation itself is imperishable, even the Curse of the Neverborn has worn away, compared to that the memory of any being, even one bound to the exaltation is much more fallible.
     
    [] Include what the Crown revealed about their purpose, it might be vital to catching all the traitors and maybe tracing this back to the source even if it is revealing an uncomfortable amount about your powers

    This vote is terrible. Mostly because Lara is intelligent and handing out clues for figuring out what kind of powers Molly has would give her deduction rolls more of a bonus. Also, considering that Nemesis has an in in her organization, I am very uncomfortable giving her too many intel. Let's not pick this option, please.

    [X] Just the attack and the names, you could have picked all this up through very skilled but still 'normal' divination

    This one is a hell of a lot safer.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    With the passing of ages all things are worn, only the exaltation itself is imperishable, even the Curse of the Neverborn has worn away, compared to that the memory of any being, even one bound to the exaltation is much more fallible.
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    Well, to be pedantic, the curse of the neverborn hasn't so much worn away as was fulfilled.

    @DragonParadox so we destroyed the body. Does this mean calling Lydia to interrogate vampires' soul, which was a part of the plan initially, isn't going to happen?
     
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