This is not a realistic fear. If they hand over all the witnesses and evidence then we can literally just lie. It's not like we have to let a nonpartisan investigative team in. If they refuse we go to war, of they accept them either they did it and it's war or we say they do and it's war. There's literally no opportunity for an offramp here that they can take without our cooperation.
Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
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[X] Draw the saber and strike first.
TBH this casus belli sucks, but I don't think that really matters. We have plenty of past justifications for war, and besides, we really should be fighting for the freedom of the oppressed first and foremost.
As for the timing, I think waiting longer will make the balance of military force slowly worsen for us as Austria and Russia build up, so let's get on with it!
TBH this casus belli sucks, but I don't think that really matters. We have plenty of past justifications for war, and besides, we really should be fighting for the freedom of the oppressed first and foremost.
As for the timing, I think waiting longer will make the balance of military force slowly worsen for us as Austria and Russia build up, so let's get on with it!
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[X] Draw the saber and strike first.
The time has finally come! To Vienna, Warsaw and Moscow!
The time has finally come! To Vienna, Warsaw and Moscow!
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If we're going to lie about it no matter what we do, why give them a chance to look even better on the international stage by complying with all of our demands?
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So anyone know how industrialised and developed Russia and Austria are compared to OTL at this time period?
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I know you're kidding, so apologies for using this post as a springboard: Whether we declare war immediately, declare war after a (likely dubious on both sides) investigation, or delay war for later; the Entente will always, eventually, intervene with an ultimatum if they see we achieve too much success against the League. Therefore, we could at most pry Poland, Bohemia, & Austria proper. Probably Denmark too. Mayyybe Croatia-Slavonia if we're really lucky in the war effort. But likely no further.
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Somewhat more than OTL, but not much more, iirc
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[X] Draw the saber and strike first.
WE MARCH STRAIGHT TO VIENNA AND THEN MOSCOW!!!
WE MARCH STRAIGHT TO VIENNA AND THEN MOSCOW!!!
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[X] Draw the saber and strike first.
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Probably? I haven't figured out what the available options will be yet.
Typically quite cold. The Entente is as much a counterweight against the League as it is against the Alliance.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Beyond even that concern, our logistical reach isn't likely to exceed the eastern extent of Poland, and likely won't be able to handle pushing over the mountains and down into Hungary proper while still maintaining our full advantage over an intact army.
If we're able to mobilize fast enough to catch them before they've mobilized, then we'll be able to wreck Austria's shit more, but Poland is still about as far east as we should go.
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[X] Draw the saber and strike first.
Fuck it yolo
Fuck it yolo
@Etranger
how many foreign volunteers is germany thinking we will get if we go to war?
how independent denmark in there foreign policy? like hypothetically could they just refuse to go to war with us?
Does itatly and spain think they could have naval supremacy in the adriatic? and if so how do they feel about the prospect of naval invasion across the adritatic?
Also some further questions
how many foreign volunteers is germany thinking we will get if we go to war?
how independent denmark in there foreign policy? like hypothetically could they just refuse to go to war with us?
Does itatly and spain think they could have naval supremacy in the adriatic? and if so how do they feel about the prospect of naval invasion across the adritatic?
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Do you mean "accepting" or "expecting"? I don't think "excepting" isn't a word that makes sense there.
Military Situation Report (Land Forces): Fall 1897
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Military Situation Report (Land Forces): Fall 1897
At the request of the Steering Commission and the Commission for War, the Sub-Commission for Military Readiness has prepared the following appraisal of the Republic's land forces, as well as estimates for allied and enemy capabilities. The naval estimate is shortly to follow.
The Landwehr
The standing Landwehr, comprising both professional soldiers and conscripts serving their three-year tour, consists of approximately one million soldiers. These soldiers are organized into 20 corps of 50,000 soldiers each, two of which represent one of 10 peacetime army commands.
Upon receiving authorization from the National Assembly, first-wave mobilization orders will go out to approximately five million reservists, who will form another 100 corps and join the extant army commands. We expect this process to take two weeks. Once complete, the army commands will each oversee 12 total corps, or 600,000 soldiers each.
Should it be deemed necessary, further mobilization orders can be issued, which are expected to call up another 80 corps' worth of reservists per mobilization wave and which should take another two weeks for completion. We estimate the maximum sustainable number of additional mobilized troops to be roughly 16 million, allowing for four total waves of additional mobilization.
Domestic logistics are estimated to be capable of sustaining a field force of about ten million soldiers at once while at full capacity. We strongly suggest maintaining at least one army command's worth of troops (600,000) on the Franco-German border for security purposes.
The Italian Army
Italy estimates that its total contribution to the land war will be approximately three army commands' worth of troops (1,800,000) within the first two weeks and an additional five army commands (3,000,000) by the end of the first month, plus sufficient additional mobilizations to maintain that level of force on the front line. All other forces will be dedicated to defending the Franco-Italian border.
The Spanish Army
Spain projects that it will be able to deploy an army command's worth of troops (600,000) to Italy within the first two weeks and another army command by the end of the first month. Any further troop deployments will be to sustain that force level; all other army commands will be retained on or near the Franco-Spanish border.
The Russian Army
We estimate that the Russian Empire will be able to call up twelve army commands' worth of troops (7,200,000) within the first month of the conflict, another eight army commands within the following month, and further troops as needed.
The Austrian Military
We estimate that the Austrian Empire will be able to call up four army commands' worth of troops (2,400,000) within the first month of the conflict, then another four army commands' worth of troops within the following month, with perhaps another four army commands to follow.
The Scandinavian Military
We estimate that the Scandinavian Empire will be able to deploy one army command's worth of troops (600,000) within the first month of the conflict, and then another two army commands (1,200,000) within the following month.
Anticipated League Issues
Owing to the estimated League mobilization period of 3-4 weeks, compared to Allied mobilization periods of 2-3 weeks, we anticipate that only 80% of their forces will be ready for combat by the time our first mobilization wave is complete and fully deployed.
Moreover, as each of the members of the Imperial League is a polyglot empire with inferior training and equipment standards, weak domestic morale, and substantial internal dissent, we anticipate that our formations will function at a much higher degree of efficiency and capability when compared to League forces.
Estimated Land Forces (Wave 1)
Germany: 6,000,000
Italy: 1,800,000
Spain: 600,000
Allied Forces: 8,400,000
Russia: 5,800,000
Austria: 1,900,000
Scandinavia: 500,000
League Forces: 8,200,000
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I'm somewhat dubious about the Russian mobilization speed to be honest. Their railways aren't doing well. Like at all. But maybe that's changed in this timeline.
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[X] Leave the saber in its scabbard.
I can see us completely destroying the imperal league to the point we cause the Soviet Union to appear
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The military planners have come down off their initial war high and been sent to bed with a warm glass of milk, so the mobilization timetables should be more realistic now.