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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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[X] Rattle the saber.

I want an actual investigation made for the sake of the sailors who's lives were lost. I also want to get more diplomatic cover for the international audience. And finally I want to give the resistance groups time to actually prepare instead of scrambling to fire off right now.
 
Fireiy said:
[X] Rattle the saber.

I want an actual investigation made for the sake of the sailors who's lives were lost. I also want to get more diplomatic cover for the international audience. And finally I want to give the resistance groups time to actually prepare instead of scrambling to fire off right now.
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The Austrians will just cave and an investigation will likely reveal that it was a mere accident. Boom, casus belli gone.

Strike now and don't give the Austrians time to marshal a diplomatic response from the Entente. This is the one time where psychotic revolutionary elan is justified.
 
[X] Draw the saber and strike first.

Oh boy oh boy they really went and gave us a Reason, they shouldna done that
 
[X] Draw the saber and strike first.

Rattling our saber would only allow them to prepare, making any potential war worse for our people. We either do or don't. If we want war, circumstances demand we strike.
 
[X] Rattle the saber.

Going to war without knowing for certain that the ship was sunk by enemy action rubs me the wrong way.
 
The question before us is not of whether we "start" a war with Austria, but of whether we respond to their endless provocations by formally recognizing that a state of war exists between us. In Germany's civil war, remember how hundreds of thousands of "volunteers" poured over the border from Austria. The reactionary attempt to submit Germany to crowned heads once again was directed wholesale from Vienna. This was far from the first time, from the very first revolution in 1848, Austria has constantly acted to restore reaction in Germany.

And when the civil war was over, because of sheer exhaustion, we had to settle for normalization, as if Austria was merely a geopolitical rival, not an aggressor state which ad sought to smoother the Revolution in the crib time and again. Every action against Germany has the insidious machinations of the Hapsburgs behind it.

And so now one of ships has blown up. The Austrians deny it, but who can truly say it is beyond their remit to act so brazenly against us. They fear war with us, but will always seek ways to undermine us. And so we cannot again give them a chance to fold at the diplomatic table and turn to undermining us in secret again. Now, at long last, we must end the threat of the Habsburgs, once and for all!
 
[X] Draw the saber and strike first.

By the standards of the republic created in this thread I'm a liberal capitalist, but fuck it feudalism must be destroyed and I was cautious about war the first thread and proven wrong when decisive action carried the day, so let's do this thing Vienna by Christmas Budapest by New Years Moscow by May Day.
 
spiritualatheist said:
@Etranger, can we get a forces post? It would be nice to have a better feel for how much comparative advantage a fast mobilization would get us.
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I'm working on a force estimate, but it's going to take a fair bit of time due to the need for both army and navy numbers across six different countries. However, I will say that taking a few extra days to negotiate with Austria (the middle option) will not meaningfully disadvantage your military situation if you do end up going to war.

Woltaire said:
@Etranger with the more overwhelming tilt toward war how long are you planning to keep it
open if it stays this way?
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I'd like to give people plenty of time for this vote and there seems to be at least some dissent, so a little while yet.
 
[X] Draw the saber and strike first.

Look, does it really matter why the boat exploded? Austria has denied us for too long, now is the time for war!
 
Etranger said:
I'm working on a force estimate, but it's going to take a fair bit of time due to the need for both army and navy numbers across six different countries. However, I will say that taking a few extra days to negotiate with Austria (the middle option) will not meaningfully disadvantage your military situation if you do end up going to war.
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Alright, given this I'm changing my vote

[X] Rattle the saber.

If we really aren't going to be disadvantaged then there's no reason not to see what our options are, and we can always just lie about the results of our investigation if we need to.
 
Remember what happened last time, guys. We gave Austria an off-ramp, and they took it. If we tell Austria "hand over all the witnesses and evidence for the incident or else we declare war on you," the issue is that they very well may just hand everything over. If we want a war, we need to strike before they can try anything diplomatically.
 
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