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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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[x] Cooperative Party
-[x] Plan The Mutualist Tendency
--[x] Break up the new nationalized businesses by turning them into cooperatives.
--[x] Reform the civil service so positions are chosen by sortition, in order to prevent an entrenched bureaucratic class.
--[x] Discontinue the creation of labour vouchers.
--[x] Increase the basic income payout, and balance the budget by decreasing military spending.
--[x] Ultimately if one merely breaks up hierarchies between institutions but leaves them within them, the job is not even half done. Begin pilot programs experimenting with less hierarchical organization within school, and with alternate means of teaching than the more traditional rote learning so common even in good schools.
--[x] Set up cooperation between farmers, biology researchers and tooling engineers to continually improve on agriculture, fishing and land management.

Finally a plan i can get behind...
 
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[x] Cooperative Party
-[x] Plan The Mutualist Tendency
--[x] Break up the new nationalized businesses by turning them into cooperatives.
--[x] Reform the civil service so positions are chosen by sortition, in order to prevent an entrenched bureaucratic class.
--[x] Discontinue the creation of labour vouchers.
--[x] Increase the basic income payout, and balance the budget by decreasing military spending.
--[x] Ultimately if one merely breaks up hierarchies between institutions but leaves them within them, the job is not even half done. Begin pilot programs experimenting with less hierarchical organization within school, and with alternate means of teaching than the more traditional rote learning so common even in good schools.
--[x] Set up cooperation between farmers, biology researchers and tooling engineers to continually improve on agriculture, fishing and land management.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
[X]The Federation Party
-[X] Plan Global Networking
--[X] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
--[X] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
--[X] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
--[X] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
--[X] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
Aranfan said:
Right so. Socialism, what is it?

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the workers.

The idea that such ownership must be direct through discrete cooperatives is very much a minority position irl. The idea that the ownership can be mediated through the democratic state through mechanisms such as nationalization is the mainstream current in the socialist thoughtsphere. State capitalism is a failure state of the second method, but it is not assumed. If you say that nationalization is inherently state capitalist you will be thought of as someone who is trolling.

Hell, most commonly the idea of worker ownship of the means of production being able to be exercised through discrete cooperatives is rejected because it involves a market mechanism for when the coops conduct commerce.
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I think there would be a good point to be made if we were less thoroughly democratic and more bureaucratic than we are. I also think there's a point to be made about ensuring excellent standards of self management in publicly owned projects to ensure the workers in them aren't stifled by micromanagement and the input from the collective focuses on what directions society has democratically decided to invest in. In fact I think I'll note that and maybe slip it into a plan in the future.

But yes, there isn't much room for the kind of blanket categorical statement made above in our context. Even if you believe markets aren't inherently an issue, it shouldn't automatically mean any collective endeavour not put on them are one either.

I also don't think our markets have moved from a capitalist conception of property and markets yet either even if the cooperatives are worker owned so calling the plan attempt above mutualism is a disservice to actual mutualism, as you'd know as an actual mutualist.

I guess the communists were right someone was bound to use the Cooperative vehicle to try and roll back the clock at some point. Hopefully they split up and we don't have to keep them around our party, because this is just the most pro market wing of the Social Democrats seeking a home after they collapsed.
 
Nyvis said:
I also don't think our markets have moved from a capitalist conception of property and markets yet either even if the cooperatives are worker owned so calling the plan attempt above mutualism is a disservice to actual mutualism, as you'd know as an actual mutualist.
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Yes. The actual mutualist tradition is actually very fond of ditching traditional money for labor vouchers. Among other things.
 
[X]The Federation Party
-[X] Plan Global Networking
--[X] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
--[X] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
--[X] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
--[X] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
--[X] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
Aranfan said:
Yes. The actual mutualist tradition is actually very fond of ditching traditional money for labor vouchers. Among other things.
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Do you want to push some form of use based ownership for our coops in future plans? Maybe local government management of small productive infrastructure for use by cooperative shops? Maybe other mutualist policies to transition towards it that I can't think about?

I've been pushing the local planning angle and free association with planning organizations angle to try to preserve our less centralized systems without making them antagonistic, but I think if we have to contest ground with vulgar market socialists we should draw from the more radical interpretations of mutualism too. You know it's not my own tendency so I don't have as much first hand insight to offer.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
Nyvis said:
I also think there's a point to be made about ensuring excellent standards of self management in publicly owned projects to ensure the workers in them aren't stifled by micromanagement and the input from the collective focuses on what directions society has democratically decided to invest in. In fact I think I'll note that and maybe slip it into a plan in the future.
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If you like. I resent the implication that democratic self-management has been at all overlooked, considering it's been in several communist planks facing national enterprises up til now.
 
[x] The Federation Party
- [x] Plan Global Networking
-- [x] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
-- [x] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
-- [x] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
-- [x] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
-- [x] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
Nyvis said:
Do you want to push some form of use based ownership for our coops in future plans? Maybe local government management of small productive infrastructure for use by cooperative shops? Maybe other mutualist policies to transition towards it that I can't think about?
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I would like that. I am just having trouble working up gumption after work so...
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
If you like. I resent the implication that democratic self-management has been at all overlooked, considering it's been in several communist planks facing national enterprises up til now.
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Yeah that's fair. I'll keep it in reserve if something in one of the update makes it seem like it has become lacking but so far there's been zero friction from the workers implementing central plans so I assume it just happened and is chugging along.

At some point we might consider moving away from land based representation to workplace council elections to the legislature but I think that would break the republican coalition so I'm not touching it.

Aranfan said:
I would like that. I am just having trouble working up gumption after work so...
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Work do be like that. If you just give me a plank I can fit it in a plan, and if you just give me some big lines I can write the plank up. But if not I'll find something anyway! I'm invested in keeping the proper mutualists inside the tent.
 
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Nyvis said:
At some point we might consider moving away from land based representation to workplace council elections to the legislature but I think that would break the republican coalition so I'm not touching it.
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This is something to consider if NPA gets further traction/implementation, as an alternative aterritorial arrangement, I think.
 
[x] The Federation Party
- [x] Plan Global Networking
-- [x] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
-- [x] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
-- [x] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
-- [x] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
-- [x] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
@brokenTower I dom't think we could make new parties outright, but you could have it be born thru a split - I suppose you could have it so your Academic Tendency is a split from the Cooperatives or maybe Federationist.
 
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[X] The Federation Party
-[X] Plan Global Networking
--[X] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
--[X] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
--[X] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
--[X] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
--[X] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
[X] The Federation Party
-[X] Plan Global Networking
--[X] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
--[X] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
--[X] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
--[X] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
--[X] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
[x] Communist Party
-[x] Plan: The Communist Party Unity Program of 1895
--[x] Further build out electrical and communications infrastructure under state ownership in accordance with a central plan incorporating local input, while improving the productivity of state and cooperative mines and fabricators to support the build-out.
--[x] Offer the United States support to recover from and reform in the aftermath of its depression: low-interest loans from the International Development Bank to the states, and no-interest loans to the federal government; buyouts of failing business by German cooperatives offering American workers equal shares in the amalgamated firms allowing them to maintain their jobs; and model legislation on railway nationalization.
--[x] Continue funding the military infrastructure and fortification program. In this stage emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting third-line and interior positions.
--[x] Embark on a renewed program of naval expansion, aiming at command of the Baltic Sea by matching or exceeding the tonnage of the combined Russian Baltic, and Scandinavian, fleets.
--[x] Recognize the Jeonju government as the government of Korea with sovereign authority to maintain, repudiate, or renegotiate its international obligations; and invite such elements of its leadership as accept the International Revolutionary Association's membership criteria to apply to that body for affiliation, with attendant benefits.
--[x] Support efforts to raise socialist and republican consciousness and capabilities, particularly in the Russian Empire and Scandinavia. Special emphasis is to be given toward mobilizing groups who are structurally oppressed (e.g. women, national and religious minorities, impoverished laborers).
 
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