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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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The urge to #wemustbuildacanal is strong but...

[x] Progressive Independents
-[x] Plan Socialism with German Characteristics
--[x] Support general lowering of taxation and tariffs to more sustainable levels.
--[x] Diplomatically reach out to Britain and France, assuring them of the incredibly peaceful intentions of the German Republic and hopefully establish trade agreements with both.
--[x] Open up the state owned industries and interested co-operatives to foreign investment from Spain, France and Britain through allowing purchase of minority shares.
--[x] Support establishment of regional banks in each district or region to provide loans to citizens seeking to establish new innovative co-operative enterprises or allow them to deposit savings.
--[x] Rationalize the current system of social security by transferring the duty of providing them to the unions and co-operatives, with the state supporting them through subsidies and tax breaks now.
 
[X] Radical Republicans
-[X] Plan Ready for War by 1880
--[X] Repair, reintegrate, and expand internal infrastructure, especially rail lines. This is vital both to internal commerce and rapid mobilization.
--[X] Expand our port facilities and resume work on the K.M. Canal, both for receiving trade and for constructing warships. We will need a strong navy to protect our trade and challenge reactionaries in the Baltic.
--[X] Have a formal review from our Combined Staff to determine what lessons of modern war were learned from the Civil War, and how best to conduct campaign efficiently and with minimal loss of life.
--[X] Seek to secure favorable trade treaties with the newly independent powers of Eastern Europe (Albania, Greece, Romania, and Serbia). This could help the economy and getting a foot in the door here could be good long term.
--[X] Make service in the Leutewehr entirely obligatory, with the People's Labor Reserve and medicinal sectors the only option for objectors.
 
[X] Constitutional Socialists
-[X] Build Better Together
--[X] Introduce a national ration providing all persons within the Republic their guaranteed basic rights to food, clothing, and housing.
--[X] Seek to secure favorable trade treaties with the newly independent powers of Eastern Europe (Albania, Greece, Romania, and Serbia), free countries of the Americas (Union of Central America, the Caribbean countries, & the South American countries), as well as old and new sovereign states of Asia (Persia, Japan, Qing China, & the Philippines). This could help the economy and getting a foot in the door there could be good long term.
--[X] create a framework for German cooperatives to operate foreign branches in nations we have friendly trade relations with, enfranchising foreign hires as part of our worker owned structure
--[X] Direct the People's Labor Reserve to projects across the country with two main priorities 1)continuing the repair of our damaged infrastructure & industry as well as 2)expansion of transport infrastructure to facilitate domestic & international commerce
--[X] Establish the Karl Marx Canal Authority with the mandate and powers to review the Canal's plans and propose modernized design elements, and introduce modern labor-saving devices and labor processes to hasten construction and free up workers for reconstruction projects.
 
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[X] Social Radicals
-[X] Arsenal of the Revolution
--[X] Ban the use of gold coinage for domestic transactions effectively switching to paper money for all transactions that don't involve foreign nationals or entities. Introduce upper limits for how much gold citizens and co-ops can hold and mandate that all gold above the limit is sold to the National Bank at market price.
--[X] Overhaul the strategy, tactics, training and equipment of all military branches implementing the lessons we learned in the Second Civil War. Use the unparalleled expertise of our veterans to prepare the Second Republic for the next war.
--[X] Initiate a broad program of urban renewal for the devastated regions of the Second Republic. Modernize and repair destroyed or damaged industry, underlining the Republican character of our rebuilding efforts with impressive monuments for the heroes of the civil war. Allocate additional funds to areas that remained loyal.
--[X] Begin an mechanized construction effort to finish the Marx Canal quickly and use this as a flagship project to initiate a broader, nationwide infrastructure program. Focus on building or repairing roads and railways destroyed in the war, concentrating on areas of strategic importance.
--[X] Lay the groundwork for long-term naval expansion by creating the necessary industry and infrastructure to expand both the navy and the merchant navy. The goals of this expansion are hegemony in the Baltic Sea and a stronger merchant marine to bolster our foreign trade.

Monarchists bad
 
[X] Radical Republicans
-[X] Plan Ready for War by 1890
--[X] Repair, reintegrate, and expand internal infrastructure, especially rail lines. This is vital both to internal commerce and rapid mobilization.
--[X] Expand our port facilities, both for receiving trade and for constructing warships. We will need a strong navy to protect our trade and challenge reactionaries in the Baltic.
--[X] Resume work on the Karl Marx Canal, prioritizing advanced methods of construction rather than the old labor intensive plan.
--[X] Have a formal review from our Combined Staff to determine what lessons of modern war were learned from the Civil War, and how best to conduct campaign efficiently and with minimal loss of life.
--[X] Seek to secure favorable trade treaties with the newly independent powers of Eastern Europe (Albania, Greece, Romania, and Serbia). This could help the economy and getting a foot in the door here could be good long term.
 
[X] Anarcho-Confederalists
-[X] Anarchist-Technocrat Alignment
--[X] Establish a bureau of independent citizen-researchers who are empowered to expect cooperation from the government on investigations of failures and best practices in administration, to maintain statistics and qualitive research projects on matters of public interest free of pressure from the government, and generally to effectively answer questions posed to them by legislators, cooperatives, public petitions, etc.
--[X] Expand protections for freedom of thought and expression at universities, and promote the use of night classes for all curious adults.
--[X] Expand protections for minorities in the face of government policing power by establishing a heightened level of judicial scrutiny for actions that target them, and making clear and public the avenues for such appeals. Allow minority communities to set up their own local police forces and set up special culturally-competent units of the National Police to handle national cases there.
--[X] Establish a commission to review of military doctrine and operations in the Civil War, including civilians and common soldiers alongside military planners and officers, with an eye to identifying key reforms for military justice and legitimacy as well as battlefield success.
--[X] Ask local governments and collectives in their area to identify the local infrastructure needs that are the most pressing and valuable, and support those local needs with the national supply of labor and material. Prioritize national resources to these projects first according to their benefit to the overall recovery and secondarily according to local damage.
 
[x] Vanguard Communists
-[x] Ante-Bordigism
--[x] Introduce a national ration providing all persons within the Republic their guaranteed basic rights to food, clothing, and housing.
--[x] Establish the Karl Marx Canal Authority with the mandate and powers to review the Canal's plans and propose modernized design elements, and introduce modern labor-saving devices and labor processes to hasten construction and free up workers for reconstruction projects.
--[x] Establish municipal and district planning committees consisting of local and national political, and local worker, delegates to develop local economic plans in conformity with the national plan - such as it is - and to coordinate the efforts of local cooperative and state enterprises towards the accomplishment of the local and national plans.
--[x] Experiment with implementing labor vouchers, in the Ruhr Area as it was relatively untouched by the civil war, as a starting point (along with the national ration) for decommodifying the internal economy.
--[x] Establish a Continuing Committee of the International Socialist and Workers' Congress as a means of governing the activities of the Congress's members during the intervals between official Congress meetings. All activities, understandings and resolutions established and adopted by the Congress should be implemented in full by the Party as a whole.
 
[X] Social Radicals
-[X] Arsenal of the Revolution
--[X] Ban the use of gold coinage for domestic transactions effectively switching to paper money for all transactions that don't involve foreign nationals or entities. Introduce upper limits for how much gold citizens and co-ops can hold and mandate that all gold above the limit is sold to the National Bank at market price.
--[X] Overhaul the strategy, tactics, training and equipment of all military branches implementing the lessons we learned in the Second Civil War. Use the unparalleled expertise of our veterans to prepare the Second Republic for the next war.
--[X] Initiate a broad program of urban renewal for the devastated regions of the Second Republic. Modernize and repair destroyed or damaged industry, underlining the Republican character of our rebuilding efforts with impressive monuments for the heroes of the civil war. Allocate additional funds to areas that remained loyal.
--[X] Begin an mechanized construction effort to finish the Marx Canal quickly and use this as a flagship project to initiate a broader, nationwide infrastructure program. Focus on building or repairing roads and railways destroyed in the war, concentrating on areas of strategic importance.
--[X] Lay the groundwork for long-term naval expansion by creating the necessary industry and infrastructure to expand both the navy and the merchant navy. The goals of this expansion are hegemony in the Baltic Sea and a stronger merchant marine to bolster our foreign trade.
 
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Fiction: The White Edelweiss
  • Sidestory
    • It is a time of confusion, fear, and economic uncertainty in London. Many, perhaps rightly, blame Germany for this turn of events, especially in the upper and middle classes. And so, even as the lower classes look to the German Revolution with studious eyes, the upper classes draft a work intended to glorify the other side of the struggle…

    The White Edelweiss (Selected Excerpts)​
    Henry von Hayek, the White Edelweiss, plucks something from the grass of Erfurt, luxuriating in his return to his country of birth following his flight to the home of his father, fair England. The equally fair Emma Bauer, a childhood friend he had reconnected with after his return to the country, stands beside him, gazing longingly at his back.

    EMMA: What is that you have picked up, Herr von Hayek?

    HENRY: It is the White Edelweiss, my dear - A flower that symbolizes nobility and peace, in the same breath. For, truly, they are one and the same. Even the Republican despoilment of this city cannot prevent it from growing, as persistent as the rain and the sky.

    He proffers it to her, as she blushes.

    HENRY: Keep it, my dear - It will serve as a reminder of my promise to you. No matter what, I shall return to your side…

    [...]

    The White Edelweiss sneaks into the prison holding the captured nobles and business owners, soon to be dragged off to the guillotine!

    HENRY: With the exterior guards distracted by the diversionary assault, it should be a simple matter to rescue the poor captives held here.

    A man strides onto the scene, holding a saber and pistol.

    CHRISTOF: Not so fast, Edelweiss. You thought your rescues had gone unnoticed? I am Comrade Christof, commissar of the Red Army, and your prevention of the Terror has gone on for long enough!

    The White Edelweiss whirls to face him, prepared for an honorable duel, but Christof merely laughs, as savage forms emerge around him. It is the brainwashed warrior women of the Valkyries, turned from gentle wives to rabid beserkers by Socialist indoctrination!

    CHRISTOF: You'll soon find yourself to be in far more pleasant company, Edelweiss! The company of Fraulein Guillotine!

    [...]

    Comrade Christof stands in front of a church, rumored to hide the White Edelweiss. The priest stands before him, unbowed and unafraid.

    CHRISTOF: Surrender him, Preacher. Do so, and we will not burn this temple to the false gods of reaction and capital to the ground when we depart.

    PREACHER: The right of sanctuary is inviolable - And the laws of God must take precedent over the laws of Man.

    Comrade Christof spits on the ground in disgust at being denied so fervently, then whirls to his men, their uniforms ragged and stained, their posture shiftless.

    CHRISTOF: Burn this filthy parish to the ground, and the town with it! There shall be no sympathy for reactionaries!

    Screams fill the air as the soldiers rush forward, torches held high, and in the distance, the White Edelweiss looks back, seeing plumes of smoke darken the sky…

    [...]

    Comrade Christof stands atop the wall, holding fair Emma Bauer at gunpoint as the White Edelweiss is slowly surrounded from below by Republican soldiers, their uniforms ripped and soiled from their looting of Erfurt.

    CHRISTOF: Edelweiss - Your lady love shall follow you to the guillotine soon enough, if you do not surrender the key to the arsenal of Erfurt!

    Comrade Christof sneers, pressing the barrel of the pistol to Bauer's head as she weeps in distress.

    CHRISTOF: We will crack it, one way or another - The only difference is whether or not she will be alive to see it!

    HENRY: Emma! No!

    EMMA: Don't do it, Hen-Edelweiss! They cannot be allowed to get their hands on the guns of Erfurt!

    Henry pauses, then glares up at Christof.

    HENRY: Promise you will let her go! Do it, and I shall give you the key!

    Christof laughs, then shoves Bauer aside, stepping forward. Bauer flees stage right, throwing a frightened, but loving, glance at Henry. Henry tosses the key towards Christof, then flees, artfully dodging and playing the bumbling Republican soldiers off each other as Christof is distracted with the hunt for the key on the ground. He finds it and sprints towards the large, locked doors of the arsenal, laughing madly.

    CHRISTOF: Even with the damned advance of the National scum, with this arsenal taken with us on the retreat, the Red Army shall be unstoppable!

    He throws open the doors, only for his face to whiten. He turns to run, but 'flames' consume the stage as the rigged arsenal explodes.

    [...]

    Emma and Henry ride south, towards Austria, even as Erfurt burns behind them.

    EMMA: Oh, Herr von Hayek - What will we do now? Though you denied the arsenal to the Republicans, the war still rages on…will we find shelter elsewhere? Or will we flee to Austria, as you did so long ago?

    HENRY: Do not worry, my love - For so long as the White Edelweiss blooms on the soil of Germany, the noble peace of our dreams will still stand, forevermore…and that is something that the Red Republicans can never kill with their guillotines or guns…


    Widely praised by the theater-going class of London, reactions from Germany were far more negative.

    "...the most reactionary, nobility-glorifying, piece of treasonous filth I've ever seen put to paper. The only reason this reviewer cannot recommend burning any copy of it that makes its way to Germany, is that the poisonous fumes of the libel written on it may cause the inhaler to experience delusions on par with that of the author when writing it…" - The Orange Gazette, a Marcobin periodical.

    "...Characterization of the Valkyries is especially egregious, painting them both as wild women driven out of control by socialist rhetoric, and the tools of the actual characters, largely men who control them or who fight them 'mercifully', both of which are…" - The Voting Voice, a feminist publication.

    "...Not only historically inaccurate in the extreme due to the use of wildly differing command structures, ignorance of the timeline of the war, and the invention of Red-Gold Alliance atrocities wholesale, but outright muddled in its own message of slander, with the painting of the Erfurt explosion as being the fault of the monarchists - A claim which the monarchists attempted to refute at the time, due to the scale of the damage and the manner in which it turned their victory pyrrhic. Furthermore, the usage of 'white' before Edelweiss, which already means white, suggests either purposefully ignorant usage of the word, or an utter mangling of the German language…" - The Frankfurt Weekly, an academic newspaper.
     
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    • [x] Progressive Independents
    -[x] Plan Socialism with German Characteristics
    --[x] Support general lowering of taxation and tariffs to more sustainable levels.
    --[x] Diplomatically reach out to Britain and France, assuring them of the incredibly peaceful intentions of the German Republic and hopefully establish trade agreements with both.
    --[x] Open up the state owned industries and interested co-operatives to foreign investment from Spain, France and Britain through allowing purchase of minority shares.
    --[x] Support establishment of regional banks in each district or region to provide loans to citizens seeking to establish new innovative co-operative enterprises or allow them to deposit savings.
    --[x] Rationalize the current system of social security by transferring the duty of providing them to the unions and co-operatives, with the state supporting them through subsidies and tax breaks now.
     
    [X] Social Radicals
    -[X] Arsenal of the Revolution
    --[X] Ban the use of gold coinage for domestic transactions effectively switching to paper money for all transactions that don't involve foreign nationals or entities. Introduce upper limits for how much gold citizens and co-ops can hold and mandate that all gold above the limit is sold to the National Bank at market price.
    --[X] Overhaul the strategy, tactics, training and equipment of all military branches implementing the lessons we learned in the Second Civil War. Use the unparalleled expertise of our veterans to prepare the Second Republic for the next war.
    --[X] Initiate a broad program of urban renewal for the devastated regions of the Second Republic. Modernize and repair destroyed or damaged industry, underlining the Republican character of our rebuilding efforts with impressive monuments for the heroes of the civil war. Allocate additional funds to areas that remained loyal.
    --[X] Begin an mechanized construction effort to finish the Marx Canal quickly and use this as a flagship project to initiate a broader, nationwide infrastructure program. Focus on building or repairing roads and railways destroyed in the war, concentrating on areas of strategic importance.
    --[X] Lay the groundwork for long-term naval expansion by creating the necessary industry and infrastructure to expand both the navy and the merchant navy. The goals of this expansion are hegemony in the Baltic Sea and a stronger merchant marine to bolster our foreign trade.
     
    [x] Progressive Independents
    -[x] Plan Socialism with German Characteristics
    --[x] Support general lowering of taxation and tariffs to more sustainable levels.
    --[x] Diplomatically reach out to Britain and France, assuring them of the incredibly peaceful intentions of the German Republic and hopefully establish trade agreements with both.
    --[x] Open up the state owned industries and interested co-operatives to foreign investment from Spain, France and Britain through allowing purchase of minority shares.
    --[x] Support establishment of regional banks in each district or region to provide loans to citizens seeking to establish new innovative co-operative enterprises or allow them to deposit savings.
    --[x] Rationalize the current system of social security by transferring the duty of providing them to the unions and co-operatives, with the state supporting them through subsidies and tax breaks now.
     
    In light of the disturbing swelling of the ranks of the Progressive Independents, I must call for their voters to reconsider! Detente with France and Britain, opening up our fragile economy to them, is nothing more than inviting capitalism back into Germany, and worse than that, making us a willing tool of said foreign capitalism through lowered tariffs! They starved us during the Civil War, inflicting us with their blockade and denying our people food, and now you wish to invite them back to throw out our local German businesses and to take hold of them with their loans? It is privatization with a polite face! Allowing foreign interests to invest in state-owned industry is a recipe for disaster and profit-seeking off of vital services! More than that, this business with loans and trade agreements will prop up the cracking economies of Europe at exactly the time in which the contradictions of capitalism will be sharpening, enabling sister-revolutions in their people!

    In addition, the so-called "rationalization" of social security is nothing more than an attempt to deflate it entirely, by removing the state from the affairs! Our system of social security is cradle-to-grave care, provided by the state! An onerous and costly transfer will do nothing more than throw our entire system into chaos, at a time when it must be stable to provide for those most vulnerable! Finally, the idea of establishing more banks and loans compromises with the dream of a socialist republic - A classless, moneyless society! Instead of working towards its elimination (as the Social Radicals are, with their strikes against the gold standard), they are seeking to enshrine it into our methods!

    I once more urge any who are voting Progressive Independent, or who are considering voting Progressive Independent, to reconsider!
     
    [X] Progressive Independents
    -[X] Social Gospel
    --[X] Focus excess state funds on family subsidies and single family detached homes.
    --[X] Open up the Republic to lay social ministries from Catholic and Protestant churches and attempt a diplomatic thaw with the Vatican.
    --[X] Open up Germany to American missionaries and send a goodwill tour of German athletes and performers through the US.
    --[X] Legalize Christian and Jewish parochial schools that accept basic republican civic curriculum.
    --[X] Head off a laicist ministry of culture by creating independent government funded agencies for art and sport, which have supporting regional and traditional folkways in their charters
     
    [X] Anarcho-Confederalists
    -[X] The syndicalist case against central bureaucratic answers
    --[X] organize collective answers to childcare and housework through workplaces, unions and cooperatives as a way to liberate women from domestic labour through the workers' self organization
    --[X] organize participative planning between local government and local workplaces, to find short circuit answers to demand where possible
    --[X] create a framework for German cooperatives to operate foreign branches in nations we have friendly trade relations with, enfranchising foreign hires as part of our worker owned structure
    --[X] experiment with more participative forms of schooling, encouraging both teachers and students to take an active part in organizing less hierarchical education
    --[X] welcome the marginalized of the world to Germany, offering citizenship and employment to those who lack a nation, are persecuted where they live or just want opportunities in a country that respect their contribution as workers
     
    TheMaskedReader said:
    In light of the disturbing swelling of the ranks of the Progressive Independents, I must call for their voters to reconsider! Detente with France and Britain, opening up our fragile economy to them, is nothing more than inviting capitalism back into Germany, and worse than that, making us a willing tool of said foreign capitalism through lowered tariffs! They starved us during the Civil War, inflicting us with their blockade and denying our people food, and now you wish to invite them back to throw out our local German businesses and to take hold of them with their loans? It is privatization with a polite face! Allowing foreign interests to invest in state-owned industry is a recipe for disaster and profit-seeking off of vital services! More than that, this business with loans and trade agreements will prop up the cracking economies of Europe at exactly the time in which the contradictions of capitalism will be sharpening, enabling sister-revolutions in their people!

    In addition, the so-called "rationalization" of social security is nothing more than an attempt to deflate it entirely, by removing the state from the affairs! Our system of social security is cradle-to-grave care, provided by the state! An onerous and costly transfer will do nothing more than throw our entire system into chaos, at a time when it must be stable to provide for those most vulnerable! Finally, the idea of establishing more banks and loans compromises with the dream of a socialist republic - A classless, moneyless society! Instead of working towards its elimination (as the Social Radicals are, with their strikes against the gold standard), they are seeking to enshrine it into our methods!

    I once more urge any who are voting Progressive Independent, or who are considering voting Progressive Independent, to reconsider!
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    Firstly as far as i was aware the social services are not currently being provided in any adequate manner.
    Secondly perhaps the gentlemen of the radical factions favour a four front war the next time?
    We already have enemies to the North, East and South, what on earth possesses you to wish to add the west to that list?
    We have a responsibility to our constituents, to see to their safety, prosperity and freedom;
    You propose to destroy the first and Second with war, and the Third with the defeat caused by foreign policy so divorced from reality it would be banned from the catholic church.
    On The contrary we shall secure our peoples safety with peace, their prosperity with trade and their freedom with the strength that they will bring to Germany.

    (I tried to copy the tone, does this work out?)
     
    [X] Progressive Independents
    -[x] Plan Socialism with German Characteristics(More Deng Subvariant)
    --[x] Support general lowering of taxation and tariffs to more sustainable levels.
    --[x] Diplomatically reach out to the Americans in the interest of securing cooperation and at least mutual market access to provide workers with cheaper goods and secure areas of demand.
    --[x] Establish the German Development Bank, The Export-Import Bank, and the Agricultural development bank to provide domestic financialization focused on the growth of the economy.
    --[x] Support establishment of regional banks in each district or region to provide loans to citizens seeking to establish new innovative co-operative enterprises or allow them to deposit savings.
    --[x] Establish and formalize a dual currency regime for the nation, with internal exchange occuring with paper marks while a separate gold mark is created for international exchange. Starting the steady modernization of the financial system to prepare it for the implementation of socialism.

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    Switched to the more recent plan.
     
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    Chipsy_21 said:
    Firstly as far as i was aware the social services are not currently being provided in any adequate manner.
    Secondly perhaps the gentlemen of the radical factions favour a four front war the next time?
    We already have enemies to the North, East and South, what on earth possesses you to wish to add the west to that list?
    We have a responsibility to our constituents, to see to their safety, prosperity and freedom;
    You propose to destroy the first and Second with war, and the Third with the defeat caused by foreign policy so divorced from reality it would be banned from the catholic church.
    On The contrary we shall secure our peoples safety with peace, their prosperity with trade and their freedom with the strength that they will bring to Germany.

    (I tried to copy the tone, does this work out?)
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    France and Britain literally just finished doing crimes against humanity to us. Going to them hat in hand and talking up how peaceful we are is just abject submission, but—even worse—it's not even believable. Springtime Germany is famously, ludicrously belligerent! The Jacobins had to be talked down from executing every Royalist and centrist officer above a certain rank. Pursuing trade relations with the Entente could be justifiable, but the peaceful bit just comes off as both insincere and ignorant of recent history.

    The other issue I have is that the ProgInds seem to not understand the kind of state we are. From the opening post:
    Etranger said:
    In addition to laying out the political structure of Germany, the Constitution of 1880 also guarantees personal, cultural, economic, and political rights, which may only be infringed upon to ensure the security of the Republic and its democracy. Notably absent among these rights is the right to accumulate wealth or private property; the means of production are owned collectively by the workers and farmers operating them, and no individual is permitted to hold any non-personal property.
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    Opening businesses up to foreign investment is violating a fundamental principle of our constitution, worker ownership of the means of production. Even restricting foreigners to minority shares, that's still reintroducing private property to our system right after we had a civil war to get rid of it. Worse still, even restricted to minority shares, foreign investors will be able to play the workers off against each other and exert influence over the business.
     
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    [X] Radical Republicans
    -[X] Plan Ready for War by 1890
    --[X] Repair, reintegrate, and expand internal infrastructure, especially rail lines. This is vital both to internal commerce and rapid mobilization.
    --[X] Expand our port facilities, both for receiving trade and for constructing warships. We will need a strong navy to protect our trade and challenge reactionaries in the Baltic.
    --[X] Resume work on the Karl Marx Canal, prioritizing advanced methods of construction rather than the old labor intensive plan.
    --[X] Have a formal review from our Combined Staff to determine what lessons of modern war were learned from the Civil War, and how best to conduct campaign efficiently and with minimal loss of life.
    --[X] Seek to secure favorable trade treaties with the newly independent powers of Eastern Europe (Albania, Greece, Romania, and Serbia). This could help the economy and getting a foot in the door here could be good long term.

    WE MUST HELP BALKAN BROS
     
    Chipsy_21 said:
    Firstly as far as i was aware the social services are not currently being provided in any adequate manner.
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    Au contraire!
    Etranger said:
    Social Reforms
    Minimum Wage: Adequate
    Work Safety: Low
    Work Hours: 40-Hour Week
    Healthcare: Adequate
    Pensions: Adequate
    Unemployment: Adequate
    Childcare: Low
    Retirement: Low
    Child Labor: Banned
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    By and by large, we are above and beyond the standard of the day. The ProgInd plan proposes to throw that into chaos for no benefit but localism!
    Chipsy_21 said:
    Secondly perhaps the gentlemen of the radical factions favour a four front war the next time?
    We already have enemies to the North, East and South, what on earth possesses you to wish to add the west to that list?
    We have a responsibility to our constituents, to see to their safety, prosperity and freedom;
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    Secondly, the British and French will already be our enemies! Their actions during the war makes that clear - They starved our people and aided the reactionary monarchists. They already draw up plans to colonize and imperialize the rest of the world, what makes the ProgInds think that Germany will be exempt from that if we open our doors to these smiling jackals?
     
    TheMaskedReader said:
    Secondly, the British and French will already be our enemies! Their actions during the war makes that clear - They starved our people and aided the reactionary monarchists. They already draw up plans to colonize and imperialize the rest of the world, what makes the ProgInds think that Germany will be exempt from that if we open our doors to these smiling jackals?
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    Because their business interest in us will give them a stake in our success seeing as they are beholden to their capitalist class, and once again if all our neighbors are to forever be our mortal enemies, how do you imagine we will defend against them, let alone defeat them, when they inevitably strike against us?
     
    TheMaskedReader said:
    In light of the disturbing swelling of the ranks of the Progressive Independents, I must call for their voters to reconsider! Detente with France and Britain, opening up our fragile economy to them, is nothing more than inviting capitalism back into Germany, and worse than that, making us a willing tool of said foreign capitalism through lowered tariffs! They starved us during the Civil War, inflicting us with their blockade and denying our people food, and now you wish to invite them back to throw out our local German businesses and to take hold of them with their loans? It is privatization with a polite face! Allowing foreign interests to invest in state-owned industry is a recipe for disaster and profit-seeking off of vital services! More than that, this business with loans and trade agreements will prop up the cracking economies of Europe at exactly the time in which the contradictions of capitalism will be sharpening, enabling sister-revolutions in their people!
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    Yeah, Dengist State Capitalism only sort of worked out because the USA and other First World countries saw China as a useful partner against the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Here, there isn't a separate left-wing bloc that Germany can be used against by the Imperial Core.
     
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