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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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Nyvis said:
Also naval buildup would force Britain's hand against us.
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Wilhelm II moment.

No but seriously, if we don't 'antagonise' the British, they'll probably let us get away with some stuff, such as fucking over our mutual enemy in Russia.
Building a navy is not how we achieve this; the British are a jealous and perfidious folk and would see any attempt to catch up to their beloved navy as a threat to their empire.
 
While y'all debate forpol, I am all for continuing to push for a bare minimum ration for every resident in the Republic.

After all, the Army takes care of it's soldiers daily basic necessities, to ensure that they are combat effective. And as the Radical Republican would say, every citizen of the Republic is a soldier for the revolution, so why should this not be applied to every citizen to improve their contributions to the revolutionary cause?
 
DanBaque said:
I would like to advocate for a weak navy so long as our primary enemies are in the east. Building a fleet capable of controlling the Baltic is all that we need
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I think even controlling the Baltic is too much right now. We may need a coast guard to prevent imperialist piracy but no more. Let the Scandis believe they are safe with a sea between us.
 
Lord Cheddar said:
Wilhelm II moment.

No but seriously, if we don't 'antagonise' the British, they'll probably let us get away with some stuff, such as fucking over our mutual enemy in Russia.
Building a navy is not how we achieve this; the British are a jealous and perfidious folk and would see any attempt to catch up to their beloved navy as a threat to their empire.
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We could also do naval build up that's clearly designed for inner seas, which Britain would be fine about. The Baltic should be a German lake.
 
Nevis said:
I think even controlling the Baltic is too much right now. We may need a coast guard to prevent imperialist piracy but no more. Let the Scandis believe they are safe with a sea between us.
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Scandinavia is Russian-aligned, they're part of the current enemy alliance. Denmark aside, all Baltic powers are hostile, we need a capable fleet there.
 
Building a navy to fight the entire rest of the Baltic seems like an expensive proposition then. I'm sure we could do it but I think coastguard+ fortified ports might make more sense whilst we focus on a land army for now. If we could fight them separately that'd be one thing but together seems pointlessly difficult.
 
Step one is rebuilding the infrastructure we need to support ANY navy, although a radrep or vanguard platform to keep what experienced marinewehr sailors we do have active as we've done with the landwehr vets wouldn't be amiss.
 
I think we can easily outbuild Russia and Scandinavia, the former has 3 seas to fight in and the latter are small. It would be quite useful in supporting a campaign along the coast, or in isolating the Scandinavians from Russia to take them piecemeal.

It's also a place where we can build up naval expertise without scaring Britain too much.

But I think a public merchant marine would also be neat. We can do a lot with trade as an industrializing nation. It would mean needing to keep Britain happy with us though, since they will always be able to shut that down.
 
Please build a ship canal and navigation from Dortmund to Emden. I want to be able to roll a liberty ship analogue off the line each week in Essen, and put it to sea immediately.
 
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Etranger said:
This secret facility, located in the Bavarian Alps, serves as a clearinghouse and meeting place for foreign dissidents and radicals, connecting the government of the Republic directly to the European and international underground.
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This is like the kind of thing you would see in a James Bond novel, or Metal Gear Solid or something. I can just imagine an international superspy being dropped on the far side of a mountain by aeroplane and making their way cross-country to the hidden encampment. Their mission: to infiltrate the facility and extract an informant who has critical information about an upcoming plot to assassinate the Crown Princess of Denmark.

Etranger said:
In 1882, a French armada responds to a nationalist uprising in Egypt by bombarding Alexandria and seizing the city, as well as the Suez Canal. French forces march on Cairo and institute an imperial protectorate over the Egyptian sultanate, with permanent military garrisons in all of its major cities.
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The British government must be in pandemonium right now. The French can block the Suez Canal anytime they want? The same Suez Canal that people rely on to get to India? Gee, I wonder if this could possibly be related to them wanting to negotiate the rules on colonialism in Africa all of a sudden.
 
Dreikanter said:
The British government must be in pandemonium right now. The French can block the Suez Canal anytime they want? The same Suez Canal that people rely on to get to India? Gee, I wonder if this could possibly be related to them wanting to negotiate the rules on colonialism in Africa all of a sudden.
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The French and English are allied, and unlikely to break that alliance considering they're each other's best option at this point. Our own rise and radicalism has made the Entente happen early.
 
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Active Legislation and Treaties as of 1883
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    • This is a list of all extant legislation and treaties that remain in force as of 1883.

    Legislation
    Agriculture
    The Commission for Agriculture is empowered to set minimum and maximum prices on domestic crops, purchase surplus harvests, and source all produce intended for the military or public services.

    All farms are either cooperatively owned and operated by the farmers who work them or otherwise single-family farms.

    Education
    All children are required to attend a government-run public school or a government-certified private school.

    Literacy programs are available freely to all German citizens and mandatory for those undertaking military service.

    All schools and universities are required to teach republican civics classes about the virtues of democracy and the evils of monarchy.

    Finance
    The German National Bank, under the aegis of the Commission for Finance, controls the national currency and serves as lender and deposit-holder for all German citizens.

    The National Mark is the single government-issued currency of the Republic, backed by the nation's gold reserves, and exists both as gold coinage and paper bills.

    Infrastructure
    The national railway network is publicly owned and operated.

    The Karl Marx Canal is under construction using inefficient labor-intensive methods and minimal mechanization.

    The German Merchant Marine is a state-owned enterprise tasked with shipping German goods to foreign ports.

    Labor
    The nation's military industry is a mixture of publicly-owned factory-arsenals and industrial collectives. The two central arsenals are at Erfurt (public) and Essen (collective), with each state possessing its own local arsenal.

    All workplaces are either publicly or jointly-operated and unionized. Any nationalized or reorganized workplace is subject to a worker ballot on whether to go co-op or public. This status can be changed by a later vote.

    All workers, farmers, and merchant sailors are military reservists and receive a small stipend in exchange for attending regular refresher courses and training programs. They are subject to mobilization and military discipline during wartime.

    The Commission for Labor is empowered to intercede in labor disputes.

    Military
    Three years of public service, either in the military or the labor corps, are required to exercise the voting franchise.

    Military reservists are periodically called up for refresher courses and training, usually for a weekend once a month.

    The Combined Staff is a joint body of Landwehr generals and Marinewehr admirals (or admiral, really) that exercises oversight and directs long-term planning for the military.

    Every officer is elected to their position for a limited term and must pass mandatory training courses at a military academy to be confirmed in their role.

    Security
    The National Police are a uniformed service of military veterans tasked with enforcing national laws and defending public officials and institutions.

    Local police forces are required to adhere to national standards regarding training and equipment, as well as community-oriented policing guidelines, and are subsidized to do so.

    Welfare
    Any unemployed person is entitled to benefits equivalent to standard Landwehr enlisted pay while out of work.

    State-sponsored local agencies and mutual aid organizations exist to provide job training, skills education, and adult literacy programs.

    The state operates orphanages, daycares, and retirement homes as part of its commitment to cradle-to-grave care.

    Miscellaneous
    National holidays include Revolution Day, commemorating the fallen of 1848; Armistice Day, celebrating the first peace that formally established the Republic; and Unification Day, remembering the enactment of the final victory over Austria and Prussia; among others.

    Treaties
    Anglo-German Naval Agreement (1875)
    The Republic receives the island of Heligoland and tacit approval from the British to build up a (lesser) fleet. In exchange, Germany acknowledges British naval primacy in the North Sea.

    German-Spanish Alliance (1883)
    A full bilateral military alliance between the German Republic and the Spanish Republic, with associated terms for favorable trade (including reciprocal most-favored-nation status) as well as military and industrial exchanges.

    Treaty of Bremen (1864)
    The German Confederation is dissolved and the Republic assumes responsibility for negotiating all outstanding territorial claims. Central Germany, Bavaria, and much of Prussia are annexed by the Republic. All signatories acknowledge the Republic as the legitimate government of Germany and all belligerent powers acknowledge each others' borders. Subsidiary agreements see Holstein and Luxembourg annexed to the Republic. German claims on Dutch Limburg are ceded in exchange for compensation and the Rhine is reopened as a neutral waterway.

    Treaty of Flensburg (1876)
    Southern Schleswig is ceded to the Republic and annexed into the state of Holstein. Northern Schleswig is absorbed into Danish Jutland.
     
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    The Election of 1883
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    • Which faction will you support in the elections of 1883?

    [] Vanguard Communists
    Named after the elite Red Vanguard of the Civil War, the Vanguard Communists believe that the promise of the Second Revolution has yet to be fulfilled. They advocate for further centralization and militarization as essential components of the armed global revolution that must sweep across the whole of the planet to guarantee the total liberation of humanity.

    [] Constitutional Socialists
    The moderate wing of the former United Front is committed to the present constitutional order and the restoration of both peace and prosperity. They believe that Germany must heal and cohere before it can exert itself any further, and that the current governing structure is an ideal to be pursued rather than a starting point to be moved on from.

    [] Social Radicals
    Adherents of the "Orange" or "Marxist-Jacobin" tendency, these egalitarian republicans have syncretized their beliefs with socialist thought to produce an ultra-radical faction that advocates for aggressive social reform and a belligerent foreign policy toward reactionary and monarchist states.

    [] Anarcho-Confederalists
    The anarchist faction, reorganized in name and ideology if not entirely in policy, calls for the devolution of central authority to localities, the preservation and extension of minority rights, and a kind of pacifist internationalism in which peaceful cooperation is established with revolutionary and progressive factions in other countries. They remain strongly opposed to the growing trend of professionalization within the government and military.

    [] Radical Republicans
    Tracing their roots back to the hyper-radical Jacobins of the early Republic, the Radical Republicans are a militarist and ultra-democratic faction whose members believe that virtue resides solely within the armed, voting citizenry of the Republic.

    [] Progressive Independents
    A moderate and technocratic faction, the Progressive Independents are a fusion of the ministerial class with the (relatively, for Germany) conservative elements of German society. Most resembling pre-war social democrats, the Progressives advocate for a diminishment of radicalism in public policy, a posture of openness abroad to avoid further antagonizing foreign powers, and improvements and strengthening measures for government institutions.


    There will be a 24-hour moratorium. Please vote by plan, with a maximum of five planks, representing the proposed manifesto for your faction. Each plank should be at most two concise sentences. An example is included below:

    [] Hyper-Revanchists
    -[] Vienna by Christmas
    --[] Invade France.
    --[] Annex the Netherlands.
    --[] Send arms to Poland.
    --[] Enlist every man, woman, and child into the army.
    --[] Pass out jaunty hats to raise national morale.
     
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    • [] Vanguard Communists
    -[] Ante-Bordigism
    --[] Introduce a national ration providing all persons within the Republic their guaranteed basic rights to food, clothing, and housing.
    --[] Establish the Karl Marx Canal Authority with the mandate and powers to review the Canal's plans and propose modernized design elements, and introduce modern labor-saving devices and labor processes to hasten construction and free up workers for reconstruction projects.
    --[] Establish municipal and district planning committees consisting of local and national political, and local worker, delegates to develop local economic plans in conformity with the national plan - such as it is - and to coordinate the efforts of local cooperative and state enterprises towards the accomplishment of the local and national plans.
    --[] Experiment with implementing labor vouchers, in the Ruhr Area as it was relatively untouched by the civil war, as a starting point (along with the national ration) for decommodifying the internal economy.
    --[] Establish a Continuing Committee of the International Socialist and Workers' Congress as a means of governing the activities of the Congress's members during the intervals between official Congress meetings. All activities, understandings and resolutions established and adopted by the Congress should be implemented in full by the Party as a whole.

    REVOLUTION WITHIN BEFORE REVOLUTION WITHOUT!
     
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    I'd be pretty happy with that, but a policy I would like to see is a formalised coastguard because I am expecting some "deniable" piracy in the Baltic, especially now when we haven't gotten our shit together yet. Maybe the labour vouchers can wait a turn if we keep the rationing and the recovery/decommodification committees?

    [] Through organising and arming a network of lookouts and fishermen along the northern coast, a militia can be raised to provide aid to stranded or distressed ships in our waters. They can also serve as a warning and a first line of defence against opportunistic privateers and raiders.

    Something like this?
     
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    [] Anarcho-Confederalists
    -[] All Power to the People
    --[] Return the Labor Reserve to the Peoples! Divide the Labor Reserve into local Sections autonomously organized and responsible for the welfare of its members, taking over state orphanages, daycares etc as appropriate.
    --[] Grant sweeping powers to unions and rural cooperatives to decide what to produce and when, internally.
    --[] Let national minorities organize into voluntary organizations with the rights and powers devolved to local authorities as describes in Article 2 Section IV of the Constitution.
    --[] Organize the Second International into a permanent body dedicated to coordination, funding and discussion with revolutionary and progressive groups of foreign countries.
    --[] Mandate obligatory turnover of all officers of the Leutewehr, so as to prevent the rise of a military officer class separate from the citizen body.

    LET NOT THE STATE DEVOUR ITS CHILDREN
     
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