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Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)

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[X][Aino] Go as Usagi. Say that Minako is currently staying with us for now, and we want to hear the parent's side of the story. If we are refused at the door, threaten to go to the police to report them for child abandonment.

I think this plan is a good start. I'm very hesitant to expose her secret identity, especially early on. Flashing the Crystal Millennium card isn't a bad idea, though if they weren't even willing to talk to their daughter in the first place, might not be a great opener (but might be a decent option once we get them settled down to talk). We will want to have some explanation. I'm tempted to just hint that Minako was kidnapped as a part of a Dark Whatever plot, but was recently rescued (which might be problematic in the long run but could get them to start patching up their relationship in the short run... maybe).
 
Torgamous said:
The current leading plan is to establish that we are involved in this and to ask for their side of the story, only escalating if they won't talk to us. I don't understand what blame you're talking about here.
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Seconded. Even my tweaked plan is basically Usagi all but begging for the Ainos' side of the story so we can meet in the middle, find common ground, and come to an understanding (And yes, I'm channeling my inner Mojo-jojo for that last part). It only calls for any kind of hard stance as a last resort—and if we have to go loud as Sailor Moon, for any reason, the conversation is well and truly FUBAR and we're beyond trying to resolve this peacefully—aka, the nuclear/M.A.D. option.


Blueshift said:
I'm tempted to just hint that Minako was kidnapped as a part of a Dark Whatever plot, but was recently rescued
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I may just be acting overly paranoid, but I definitely prefer having a cop on hand, rather than being a middle schooler all on her own. Even if we're likely better off alone if things get S.H.O.C.K.E.R.y, I feel that having a cop might prevent something wacky happening entirely.

I do, however, like the idea of saying Minako was caught up in a DK plot. I don't know exactly how I'd word it, but I'd want to tell the truth while leaving the opening there for the Ainos' to think "she was kidnapped" rather than "she ran away to fight demons."

Something like... She got involved in a DK plot that saw her end up on the other side of the world, and it's only been recently that the British government got everything handled, thus leaving Minako free to come home.

Which is all true, but highly misguiding.
 
SuperBigMac said:
I may just be acting overly paranoid, but I definitely prefer having a cop on hand, rather than being a middle schooler all on her own. Even if we're likely better off alone if things get S.H.O.C.K.E.R.y, I feel that having a cop might prevent something wacky happening entirely.

I do, however, like the idea of saying Minako was caught up in a DK plot. I don't know exactly how I'd word it, but I'd want to tell the truth while leaving the opening there for the Ainos' to think "she was kidnapped" rather than "she ran away to fight demons."

Something like... She got involved in a DK plot that saw her end up on the other side of the world, and it's only been recently that the British government got everything handled, thus leaving Minako free to come home.

Which is all true, but highly misguiding.
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A cop could be handy, but could bring it's own complications into the discussion. The Aino's are likely to be much more guarded in how they act so we won't get as good a feel for what they're like. Also, I'm not sure how viable it is, since from the turn 8 results, it seems like we tried to walk in with Minako, then she bolted last moment and we probably wouldn't have brought a cop along if we were going with her.

Yeah, I do think coaching he wording would be best. Even things like 'was traumatized by her time there' are exactly not untrue statements, but the conclusion they'd reach from those would likely be better than the one they'd get if we said 'she went off to be a superhero'.
 
Torgamous said:
The current leading plan is to establish that we are involved in this and to ask for their side of the story, only escalating if they won't talk to us. I don't understand what blame you're talking about here.
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"My friend is sad, but because you threw your door in her face. I want to hear your side of the story." Implies that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves. If they entertain us in this they will be admitting that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves over something they had no control over.
And putting them in a no-win situation where the path of least resistance will be to shove it away, because that will seem like it will cause them the least harm in the short term.
 
Lunaryon said:
. "There are days when I wake up and everything feels so... Like I'm too big and squished down into not enough centimeters. Too… short,"
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oh, genderfluid mina? genderfluid mina for good little readers?
thats the most dysphoric thing ive read in a good bit
 
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WallFlower said:
Implies that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves. If they entertain us in this they will be admitting that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves over something they had no control over.
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We are sheltering Minako, as far as they know she has already explained herself. Our current sheltering of Minako is indeed something they had control over, and if they really think this is all Minako's fault then they've got an opportunity to warn this kid who's worried about her friend that her friend is trouble.
 
DocMatoi said:
oh, genderfluid mina? genderfluid mina for good little readers?
thats the most dysphoric thing ive read in a good bit
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I... Honestly don't know if that reads as genderfluid to me. I'm 6'5" and always hitting my head on door frames, especially when I ride the bus, so there are many times when I want nothing more than to shrink a good six or eight inches. Though mostly that's my kyphosis (scoliosis but forward/back rather than right/left) speaking.
 
DocMatoi said:
oh, genderfluid mina? genderfluid mina for good little readers?
thats the most dysphoric thing ive read in a good bit
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I feel it's less Genderfluidity and more...a dissatisfaction for aspects of her life that are not as much of an issue when she is "Master Fives".

I.e. her height, gender norms, etc. She dislikes her height, she dislikes that she can't do some things as easily or as accepted as when she is transformed, etc. It's not so much "I wish I was a boy", so much as "I wish I could do those things without needing to transform."

...Also, Minako helped Usagi from the creepy game guy she met in canon. That's sweet, and it just makes me ache for scenes of Fives and Usagi at the Arcade when they were younger.
 
WallFlower said:
"My friend is sad, but because you threw your door in her face. I want to hear your side of the story." Implies that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves. If they entertain us in this they will be admitting that they are the ones that should be explaining themselves over something they had no control over.
And putting them in a no-win situation where the path of least resistance will be to shove it away, because that will seem like it will cause them the least harm in the short term.
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I don't think it does imply that. I think it would just be taken as a 'things are confusing, please I want to talk to you and this is a concerning situation.'
Yes, the threat to get the police involved does escalate things, but if they aren't willing to talk to us at all, we do need some form of escalation to move the situation along.
 
Eh, I think there's a bit of gender in there. She's certainly not uncomfortable being a guy in the way I'd expect her to be if she was cis.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Eh, I think there's a bit of gender in there. She's certainly not uncomfortable being a guy in the way I'd expect her to be if she was cis.
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Yeah, but how much of that is Minako compared to the Magic Disguise? If it's anything like the Diguise Pen, that's essentially an alternate universe form of Minako if she were born a boy.

And we've seen that such magics can have some funky effects on the user's mind, ranging from Usagi becoming an accredited nurse (complete with implanted knowledge), to Serenity thinking she'd been kidnapped off the moon.
 
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The3rdCorinthian said:
Eh, I think there's a bit of gender in there. She's certainly not uncomfortable being a guy in the way I'd expect her to be if she was cis.
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I just assumed there's El Goonish Shive-like aspect to Silver Millenium transormation trinkets that makes people more comfortable with magically acquired forms. It wouldn't make genderfluid people non-genderfluid, but it would make non-genderfluid people less disphoric when assuming a gender different from their default.
 
ShiftingSandLand said:
Yeah, but how much of that is Minako compared to the Magic Disguise? If it's anything like the Diguise Pen, that's essentially an alternate universe form of Minako if she were born a boy.

And we've seen that such magics can have some funky effects on the user's mind, ranging from Usagi becoming an accredited nurse (complete with implanted knowledge), to Serenity thinking she'd been kidnapped off the moon.
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Not from the moment the person wakes up, though.
Minako is pretty blatantly describing that on some days, waking up as minako feels fundamentally incorrect. Which is about as dysphoriac/gender fluid as you can get in the '90s level understanding of gender
 
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Hrm. Something about this update...

..honestly happiness sustainability sounds like dark moon clans mo with a extra coat of " we are the good guys, really!"
 
Rgal said:
I just assumed there's El Goonish Shive-like aspect to Silver Millenium transormation trinkets that makes people more comfortable with magically acquired forms. It wouldn't make genderfluid people non-genderfluid, but it would make non-genderfluid people less disphoric when assuming a gender different from their default.
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Very much this.

I'm cis, but as an EGS fan I feel obligated to say it'd be sexy-awesome to be able to experience being a woman for a couple hours. But all the reasons I'd want to be a girl could just as easily be invoked (and better, solved) by becoming an Animorph. I wouldn't be blind in one eye anymore, my spine would likely be fixed, and my leg would be brand new. I'm 28 and my body snaps, crackles and pops more in an hour then my grandpa's does in a day.

DocMatoi said:
Not from the moment the person wakes up, though.
Minako is pretty blatantly describing that on some days, waking up as minako feels fundamentally incorrect. Which is about as dysphoriac/gender fluid as you can get in the '90s level understanding of gender
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While you're not wrong, I would really, really prefer that Lunaryon be the one to confirm or deny stuff like this, rather than see rampant discussion end up in a gender politics flamewar. Especially since I have first-hand anecdotes about body dysphoria while bring cis.



To reiterate, Minako (or anybody) being genderfluid would be perfectly fine, but I don't want to jump to that conclusion when Occam's Razor (her being a middle school girl who has seen how women are treated in various cultures, and being left wanting) exists.
 
[x][Aino] Go as Usagi. Say that Minako is currently staying with us for now, and we want to hear the parent's side of the story. If we are refused at the door, threaten to go to the police to report them for child abandonment.
 
I'm going to lend my support to bringing Superintendent Sakurada with us right now. As already mentioned, if the Aino's shut out their own daughter it's hard to imagine them letting in some random school girl. A police officer has a degree of legitimate authority that we don't have even as Sailor Moon that makes it much harder for them to just slam the door in our face. Also, Superintendent Sakurada has been working with Minako for much longer than we have, so in a lot of ways it's better for her to have this conversation than us, assuming we can get around that magical contact issue.

It is an escalation in some ways, but I suspect it will still come over better than threatening to call the police through their locked door.

I'm not really satisfied with the current vote options, so I'll probably try my hand at writing one later.
 
I am interested in a plan that has Sakurada and Artemis with us as friends of Minako, but which tries to be diplomatic.

Also, nothing with as many excessively and unnecessary complicated moving parts as a 2292 plan.
 
[X][Aino] Plan Diplomacy is about saving their face.
-[X] Prepare by checking someone someone who is in the know is on call at The Crystal Millennium otherwise send Jupiter to be on call.
-[X] See if one of the Mao, and especially Artemis is on available to accompany you somewhere today. A Mao opening the conversation will hopefully reduce the chances of getting a door in your face.
-[X] Then go to the parents with Minako and a The Crystal Millennium business card to make it clear that Minako's absence had been due to magical stuff that really shouldn't be talked about out in the open.
-[X] Be clear that it's Usagi and not Sailor Moon, because Sailor Moon would cause an enormous spotlight on a delicate case and not because the Senshi aren't willing to do this in person.
-[X] Let the conversation flow from there.

Yeah, this plan looks good to me if it's valid.
 
RadiantPhoenix said:
I am interested in a plan that has Sakurada and Artemis with us as friends of Minako, but which tries to be diplomatic.

Also, nothing with as many excessively and unnecessary complicated moving parts as a 2292 plan.
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[X][Aino] Go as Usagi. Say that Minako is currently staying with us for now, and we want to hear the parent's side of the story. If we are refused at the door, call Sakurada and Artemis for backup.

No threats, just "okay, I'll play." I really do think that showing up first as a kid who's worried about her friend with no extra authority introducing ambiguity to the situation is the right call, but if you'd rather not:

[][Aino] Call Sakurada and Artemis for backup. Go as Usagi. Say that Minako is currently staying with us for now, and we want to hear the parent's side of the story.
 
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I swear, Lunaryon put that hint about some Kamen Rider thing in order to trigger this quests' paranoid tendencies. Everyone started breaking out their conspiracy boards thinking Minas situation must be the work of an Enemy Stand Evil New Crossover Element. We're here to work towards getting Mina to stop couch-surfing in our office building, not uncover yet another evil organization working to rule/destroy the world.

As such, this sounds like a sensible plan:

[X][Aino] Go as Usagi. Say that Minako is currently staying with us for now, and we want to hear the parent's side of the story. If we are refused at the door, call Sakurada and Artemis for backup.
 
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