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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Honestly, @uju32 @Yog I don't suppose you guys can propose something that does not involve just letting them go?
I am not too enthused with just outright killing them but letting them go without so much as a slap on the wrist is not something I can accept. It is probably the same with some of the other people voting to destroy them.
In all honesty, I think a compromise vote would do wonders here.
I am not too enthused with just outright killing them but letting them go without so much as a slap on the wrist is not something I can accept. It is probably the same with some of the other people voting to destroy them.
In all honesty, I think a compromise vote would do wonders here.
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[X] [AKUMA] Force a binding oath upon them
-[X] Never again shall they do harm through action or inaction to the innocent lest their own power destroys them
[X] [AFTERMATH] Don't meddle, you have enough on your plate already
-[X] Never again shall they do harm through action or inaction to the innocent lest their own power destroys them
[X] [AFTERMATH] Don't meddle, you have enough on your plate already
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[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
[X] [AKUMA] Destroy them
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
[X] [AKUMA] Destroy them
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The way I see it we don't have issues with these guys.
We have beef with Emma-O, so our actions should be based on that.
We have harmed him by perma-killing one of hus Greater Akumas, the minions don't matter to that.
That is the lesson other supernatural powers will take from this too.
Or do you think Mab or Lara or hhe big bat down in Mexico will care about the mooks compared to the impossible kill we pulled off?
On a personal level I have nothing against them, they are soul-bound slaves and they didn't even sell out willingly, different from Elder Wan Kuei who may choose to engange in soul-trade.
If we let them go, we might save them later when we have hhe means to do so.
If we kill them, they are just dead and we killed people in cold blood.
We have beef with Emma-O, so our actions should be based on that.
We have harmed him by perma-killing one of hus Greater Akumas, the minions don't matter to that.
That is the lesson other supernatural powers will take from this too.
Or do you think Mab or Lara or hhe big bat down in Mexico will care about the mooks compared to the impossible kill we pulled off?
On a personal level I have nothing against them, they are soul-bound slaves and they didn't even sell out willingly, different from Elder Wan Kuei who may choose to engange in soul-trade.
If we let them go, we might save them later when we have hhe means to do so.
If we kill them, they are just dead and we killed people in cold blood.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This is a lot like Batman putting Joker in Arkam, only for him to escape and keep murdering people.
I have issues with letting them go, besides not punishing them, as they are literally going to go kill people after this. No ifs and buts about that.
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We just killed Joker in a way most people would consider impossible.
We are letting his minions go.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Who are all just as insane as he was and are going to go on and form the Joker gang with similar body count.
They are Akuma, one and all. What do you think that it entrails?
We could let them go as they are, since they're mostly
More seriously our options are pretty limited without a way to break Emma-O's hold.
[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
[X] [AKUMA] Try to recruit them, it's clear they have been tricked into this
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and let them go back to Lady Eiko
Approval voting for all actions that aren't killing the prisoners after we captured them, if you think that letting them go is going to be seen as weakness, you should think about the fact that killing them now can easily be seen as being willing to kill prisoners.
Our actions already made pretty clear that we aren't to be fucked with, frankly, the minions don't matter on that point, nobody outside those here will even try to see what we did to them unless we decided to do stupid things like eviscerate them then put them on crosses in the middle of the town, and if we try that one our father will certainly not approve.
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
[X] [AKUMA] Try to recruit them, it's clear they have been tricked into this
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and let them go back to Lady Eiko
Approval voting for all actions that aren't killing the prisoners after we captured them, if you think that letting them go is going to be seen as weakness, you should think about the fact that killing them now can easily be seen as being willing to kill prisoners.
Our actions already made pretty clear that we aren't to be fucked with, frankly, the minions don't matter on that point, nobody outside those here will even try to see what we did to them unless we decided to do stupid things like eviscerate them then put them on crosses in the middle of the town, and if we try that one our father will certainly not approve.
I'm thinking, I'm thinking. The best ideas I can come up are:
1) hand them over to Murphy / Library of Congress. I am fairly sure that the Library at least should have holding facilities for their level of supernaturals.
2) Hand them over to the Church. The church hides denarian coins, they have to have safe vaults / monasteries.
In both cases, we use intimidation to prevent them from acting out. @DragonParadox would any of those ideas be viable suggestions?
The Church is at the moment just father Forthil who does not have a goal to keep them in. By contrast the Library does, but you or your allies would have to guard them until a capture team arrived. Harry could whip up binding circles tuned to them and stick them inside for instance.
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Ok, that works, actually. It should even placate Murphy. Library is the closest to a legal authority we have to hold them, and the best chance to a fair trial under anything approaching U.S.A. law they have. Would Gard and her guys be up to guarding them until the capture team arrives? Would that be within the boundaries of our deal with them? I am guessing it's less than one day.
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and propose handing them over to the Library of Congress
-[X] Have Harry whip up some containment circles to hold them in place, and get Monoc security to guard the circles
--[X] Using occult excellency and working together with Gard and the rune caster help Harry make a better circle
-[X] Provide the Library with a short booklet explaining the dangers of akuma and how they can be contained
[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
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Weakness is really the wrong place to focus here in my opinion. These guys will go on to kill people and advance the interests of Emma-O. They have no choice but to do that.
I wouldn't go so far as to say we're responsible for their victims, but the fact remains if we do something now the people they specifically would hurt will go free.
Sure it's a small number of lives that doesn't necessarily impede the boss man himself in an appreciable way, but that small number of lives matters a hell of a lot more of one of them is yours.
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Should have refreshed before posting, This is much better than executing them. As long as they don't vivisect them or something.
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and propose handing them over to the Library of Congress
-[X] Have Harry whip up some containment circles to hold them in place, and get Monoc security to guard the circles
--[X} Using occult excellency and working together with Gard and the rune caster help Harry make a better circle
[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
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Yeah, this actually works really well. And should appease Murphy to hand them over to legal authorities instead of letting the murderers go free or summary execution.
Yeah, this actually works really well. And should appease Murphy to hand them over to legal authorities instead of letting the murderers go free or summary execution.
At least we only have to deal with this problem until we get our hell.
Perhaps appropriately, getting things in is not as complicated as getting them out. At that point we can put people like this through an actual justice system with the ability to handle them and have them serve a just sentence for their crimes.
Perhaps appropriately, getting things in is not as complicated as getting them out. At that point we can put people like this through an actual justice system with the ability to handle them and have them serve a just sentence for their crimes.
Please note I added a suboption of also writing a very short and to the point booklet concerning akuma containment. That's exactly to lower the probability of vivisection, and also of them escaping.
I don't like giving lore away for free, but that's probably a good idea.
Only for containment purposes though, if they're the type to cut people open for supernatural knowledge they'd probably still do it anyway.
We're out of combat, so a crown question to confirm might be a good addition as well.
I really hope the Library is reasonably above board, because mortals need something like it badly, but we don't really know them too well yet.
[X] Yog
Yeah, you are probably right. It's still a good idea to give them enough not to be taken over by Emma-O through his minor minions.
That's a concern, but I'd be more worried about them escaping or something than that. We're talking about true blue mooks here. They can bowl over mortals in a lot of ways, but unless the librarians are stupid enough to sit in their prison cells and let them keep throwing dice at them it should be fine.
Handing them over to the a library of Congress is just a convoluted way of murdering themselves. I think it's incredibly unlikely that the LoC can safely contain them while keeping them alive. If one of them knows Obligation the LoC will find themselves mind fucked in short order. And it's not as if the LoC can get them to break their orders from Emma-O in order to get anything useful from them. Note that they don't have to go to hell to get Investments. Emma-O can remotely grant them massively super-human social skills and mind control powers when he sees they're somewhere they can use them.
And the only person with a hope in hell of saving these people is Molly herself.
Note that these akuma very likely haven't sold their souls, so are much more redeemable than others.
[X] [AKUMA] Try to recruit them, it's clear they have been tricked into this
And the only person with a hope in hell of saving these people is Molly herself.
Note that these akuma very likely haven't sold their souls, so are much more redeemable than others.
[X] [AKUMA] Try to recruit them, it's clear they have been tricked into this
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Sounds suspicious to me. It came up earlier that swapping investments was somewhat involved as a process.
These guys are also mooks, we've failed to use stronger super human socials to convince people of things than it's likely they can support.
The Library isn't completely subverted, so presumably they can handle basic stuff like this.