Also this yes, Charms work off your base Stamina (or other stat).
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Also this yes, Charms work off your base Stamina (or other stat).
Yzarc
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That is specific to excellencies.
What non-excellency charms that use attribute do is silent but given that only Excellency is Restricted from using boosted dice caps, I am assuming that VLE should absolutely make use of Steel skin and double it. Especially as we are using Infernal essence and with a infernal variant of it.
Point of correction:
Molly has 11 HLs. Base 7 + 1x Ox-Body 4.
So Steel Skin 5.
Molly's soak = Armor 1 + Stamina 3 + Steel Skin 5 + VLE 8(Stamina + Steel Skin bonus) = Soak 17.
Scar Writ Saga Shield = -1DC
Boiling Sea Mastery = -1 D
So Molly was rolling 17 Soak at DC4.
Did the wayang have a weapon?
Use a spell? Some other magic?
Im hardpressed to see how it made it past that much soak.
The wayang is using iss brawl skill on account of belonging to an Akuma which has control as its Po. Steel skin cannot take your base stamina higher than 8 and the way I rolled it VLE works ooff base stamina, though thinking about it that last bit may have been an error. I'll have to check the book
I looked up in the book, it does not say anything about Mo Kung boosted stats not being a valid target for other charms, just not excellencies so... *rolls*
Molly did not get wounded. Edits in progress.
Molly did not get wounded. Edits in progress.
A wayang with Strength 6 that got +5 Brawl bonus to its damage would be rolling 11 dice at DC6.
Average 6 successes.
Even with VLE pinging off base stats, which I dont think is accurate?
Molly would be working with Armor 1 + Stamina 3 + VLE 4(highest of Str or Sta or Cha) + Steel Skin 5.
Thats 13 dice at DC4.
Seems implausible.
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Ninja'd.
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Considering how much talk there was about our relative vulnerability, this evil shadow not even scratching us really puts things into perspective, aye?
The evil shadow is barely hitting harder than a peak mortal with a magic sword would.
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[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
Going with our charm-born instincts, here. If our Exaltation is telling us that we can use our charm to munch this, then I will assume that it is food. And if we're getting power from eating this, than the akuma is losing something to being munched, even if we can't use this to munch the whole thing.
Going with our charm-born instincts, here. If our Exaltation is telling us that we can use our charm to munch this, then I will assume that it is food. And if we're getting power from eating this, than the akuma is losing something to being munched, even if we can't use this to munch the whole thing.
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[X] Let Lydia and the others handle this, stay on guard for the real enemy (Hold your actions so that when the Will of Kakuri moves into your aura you have the option to both block and attack)
Unless you have high Potency or put all your Celerity/Black Wind into hitting better, rather than more often, you don't get much better.
And magic is little better in terms of damage-dice.
Most supernaturals that don't focus on hitting really hard definitly have a problem with meaningfully injuring us.
Edit: My impression is that a lot of WoD is being balanced around the fact that it's hard to soak aggravated, so having an Exalt do that with full Stamina shows some cracks in the system.
Even Elder Vampires have a hard time hitting much harder.
Unless you have high Potency or put all your Celerity/Black Wind into hitting better, rather than more often, you don't get much better.
And magic is little better in terms of damage-dice.
Most supernaturals that don't focus on hitting really hard definitly have a problem with meaningfully injuring us.
Edit: My impression is that a lot of WoD is being balanced around the fact that it's hard to soak aggravated, so having an Exalt do that with full Stamina shows some cracks in the system.
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[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
It is only a small part of its soul but any damage is valuable. Given its goal is to kill Molly to steal the "Black Seed", if it realises it minions will be pretty much incapable of harming Molly it is certain to attack directly itself. We want to draw it out, not have it focus on bushwacking our more vulnerable allies.
It is only a small part of its soul but any damage is valuable. Given its goal is to kill Molly to steal the "Black Seed", if it realises it minions will be pretty much incapable of harming Molly it is certain to attack directly itself. We want to draw it out, not have it focus on bushwacking our more vulnerable allies.
[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
Even if it doesn't kill the Greater Akuma, I want to see what it does. It may be enough to boost us to E3, or it may otherwise hobble the Greater Akuma. If we're lucky, it acts like a cosmic straw and we're able to suck in the entire soul from its connection to this piece.
Even if it doesn't kill the Greater Akuma, I want to see what it does. It may be enough to boost us to E3, or it may otherwise hobble the Greater Akuma. If we're lucky, it acts like a cosmic straw and we're able to suck in the entire soul from its connection to this piece.
My concern is that if Murder is Meat part works on the wagang it will tip the Greater Akuma off that we have a spirit killer.
Note that spirit killers on Exalted didn't work on multi-part entities in this way. Using a spirit killer on one of their second or even third circle souls (beyond the Fetich) didn't weaken a Primordial, even if it may change them.
Note that spirit killers on Exalted didn't work on multi-part entities in this way. Using a spirit killer on one of their second or even third circle souls (beyond the Fetich) didn't weaken a Primordial, even if it may change them.
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The wayang is a piece of a soul animating a form made purely of Chi, it is absolutely a spirit for the purposes of MiM.
The normal effect of the wayang being destroyed is because of the soul fragment animating it suddenly returning, destroying the P'o fragment may have nastier effects and even if it doesn't the essence is useful.
The Akuma knowing we have a spirit killer, if it even figures it out, doesn't really change anything. It is bound by its instructions to retrieve the "Black Seed" and so is going to do its best to kill Molly regardless.
Further being able to destroy a minor spirit isn't indicative of the true capability of an Exalted's permadeath Charms, so revealing the capability to destroy a minor spirit isn't a big deal.
The normal effect of the wayang being destroyed is because of the soul fragment animating it suddenly returning, destroying the P'o fragment may have nastier effects and even if it doesn't the essence is useful.
The Akuma knowing we have a spirit killer, if it even figures it out, doesn't really change anything. It is bound by its instructions to retrieve the "Black Seed" and so is going to do its best to kill Molly regardless.
Further being able to destroy a minor spirit isn't indicative of the true capability of an Exalted's permadeath Charms, so revealing the capability to destroy a minor spirit isn't a big deal.
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Cassiemouse
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[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
In WoD terms, a wayang absolutely isn't a spirit. It doesn't have Rage and Gnosis and isn't made of essence.
It's another kind of semi-corporeal entity. Spirit is a specific system term for a type of entity.
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We don't know it's orders, but we know akuma usually have standing orders to preserve their own existence. If it believes we can kill it, it may be much more likely to suicide when heavily injured, denying us the chance to murder it.
Secondly; this isn't a spirit, it's part of the greater akuma's P'o that is usually basically indestructible
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Molly just got three crippling attacks off on three lesser akuma, one after the other.
Since we dont have multiple attacks?
Thats a surprise round and two successive rounds on lesser akuma with no buffs and apparently no armor.
And you cant soak Agg without armor or
So they were taking 6 damage(Strength 4 + 2 Agg) + threshold successes directly to the health track.
All three akuma right now have Agg damage of serious proportions, assuming they arent incapacitated.
However, that leaves another 5 akuma unaccounted for. Plus whatever summons it might still have around.
The evidence of a wayang means that the greater akuma has Yin Prana 4 at a minimum.
The bone armor suggests Bone Shintai 3 minimum.
This means that it has at least two methods of invisibility, and two methods of growing armor.
Fortunately, we're running All Things Betray 3 + Boiling Sea Mastery 1 = -4 DC to all Perception rolls
And ATB 3 + BSM 1 + Demonic Guide 2 = -6 DC to all Perception + Awareness rolls.
And Molly's anima is running, so surprise negator is running as well.
Stealth for a greater akuma in these circumstances should be impossible.
The greater akuma spent 1 Turn and 3 Yin chakra to activate its wayang.
That suggests its either sneaking, or using the distraction to activate Demon Shintai and other buffs, or to summon/activate reinforcements from the Jaslin Hotel or Yomi Wan, or its heading somehwere else.
Either way, stabbing it in the soul should have salutary effects with regards to impeding its ability to fight or work magic.
Surprise attacks are effective that way, yes.
1)Not necessarily.
How does it differentiate a spirit killer from an Agg weapon?
It hasnt been on the wrong side of one.
2)Not a multipart entity.
And I suspect Primordial rules do not apply to akuma.
Even greater akuma.
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We still have few dice.
Even if they were all autosux, in a contested roll someone with a greater dicepool can easily beat us.
Say our Perception plus Awareness vs their Dex plus Stealth.
Aggravated damage does nothing special to a wayang. There is nothing that is listed as being able to even interact with the spark of P'o that controls it or prevents it returning to its source. Us doing something that destroys it is a giant red flag that we might be able to similarly prevent a greater akuma's soul from returning to its master.
Spirit killing charms also do nothing, as I recall, to things produced by Exalted charms that allow projecting their consciousness or part of their soul.
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Spirit Killer shouldn't work, or we are opening up our Clone-Charm to a world of problems.
At best we should get the Essence-bonus from MiM, because it absorbs the invested Yin.
At best we should get the Essence-bonus from MiM, because it absorbs the invested Yin.
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[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
RATIONALE
It put a chunk of its soul out right where we can stab it, under the assumption that no permanent damage is possible.
Take advantage.
Stab it in the soul.
We know by Dresdenverse rules that losing large enough pieces of your soul weakens you, even when only temporarily in the event of using it for fuel like in soulfire. Getting stabbed with an Agg weapon and spiritkiller will likely do worse.
If its working magic, that might disrupt it.
If its trying to use Demon Arts like Black Wind or Demon Shintai just like most combat-spec akuma and kueijin, suddenly losing a chunk of its Po permanently will probably have non-trivial effects on its ability to use those.
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Unless the QM changes that of course.
[X] A Shadow is part of the soul is it not? A hunger stirs within (Kill the wayang and try to use Murder is Meat on it)
RATIONALE
It put a chunk of its soul out right where we can stab it, under the assumption that no permanent damage is possible.
Take advantage.
Stab it in the soul.
We know by Dresdenverse rules that losing large enough pieces of your soul weakens you, even when only temporarily in the event of using it for fuel like in soulfire. Getting stabbed with an Agg weapon and spiritkiller will likely do worse.
If its working magic, that might disrupt it.
If its trying to use Demon Arts like Black Wind or Demon Shintai just like most combat-spec akuma and kueijin, suddenly losing a chunk of its Po permanently will probably have non-trivial effects on its ability to use those.
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Its not a contested roll. Its a DC(Stealth + 4)roll. Pass/Fail.
Unless the QM changes that of course.