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uh mind you we are able to do what an exalt can do. But, yes that obviously isn't normal. Though I mean there is world of darkness mixed in given the hells there are likely other things.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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We could make a pretty good robot army by having the chassis built in our Hell and then summoning a cyber-devil to possess them.
We'd probably be better off with quadcopters than anything humanoid though.
Speaking of which, what's the IC year again?
We'd probably be better off with quadcopters than anything humanoid though.
Speaking of which, what's the IC year again?
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it really depends, if we are talking WoD terrestrials - they can get very tanky very fast and shore up differences with easy access to linear sorcery. Basically, WoD terrestrials outstrip Kuei-jin in white-room combat on average. Now, Kuei-jin do have ways to equal the field - not least through numbers and not actually dying when killed XD. For every young DB they can easily get several Kuei-Jin and bakemono, though it rarely gets to that.
On the other hand, your old Exalted DBs didn't have nearly the same ease of access to multiple attacks or aggravated damage as Kuei-Jin, who only have to spend 2 demon chi for +2aggro demonic maw.
break out Jung and get MCs sensei working on new meditation techniques.
that is true on sheer dice bases. Though always seemed weird to me.
Werewolves have good relations with fire and sun spirits. Whips and masks with bound sun spirits is like 2-3 point fetish. So basically for 2 background points you can have sunlight blaster. what elder vamps? you don't even need crinos.
Well, we have some Golems in medieval WoD. They are literally divine creations. Physical stats like werewolf, magic resist, innate powers and impeccable spirit to a point they refuse to perform unrighteous orders. They are NOT automatons/magical robots.
if we want cheap minions, possessed mannequins could work. we could even invest money into a drone factory with blackroom shenanigans. or, to begin with, just maybe give weapons to existing minions?
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in fairness the real elders can dodge stuff like that or have dozens of ways to counter it. Given some of the real old ones are veritable gods really given different setting so it doesn't really matter.
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Effigy is a WoD power, it is one of the standard Hekau the Reborn (Mummies) use.
Using Enchantment doesn't produce especially powerful creations. (Capability is based off replicating Effigy Hekau at the levels that Enchantment says it can duplicate powers) (Also because someone will bring it up - such creations do not posses self-awareness, independence or any level of free will, even to the level of animals, their effective intelligence is a reflection of the activators and indication of how good they are at following instructions.)
Enchantment 4 -mindless servitor that can do basic manual labour (no capacity for combat, only follows simple orders) or create a creature equivalent to a small sized animal (cat, cobra, large bird ect) with senses but no poison.
Enchantment 5 - advanced servitor that can manage other servitors to fulfil more complex orders (still mindless, no combat ability) or creature equivalent to medium animal (dog, lynx, hyena, python, monkey ect) full animal capabilities and somewhat smarter.
Enchantment 6 - produce construct equivalent to trained human (relevant attributes and abilities 3) or creature equivalent to large animal (lion, gorilla, crocodile, bear ect) with near human effective intelligence.
They all can soak lethal damage due to being statues. Not exactly overpowered to be able to produce in numbers.
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One of the interesting things about the Wan Kuei is that at least two of their 'Disciplines' Tzu Wei (Fortune telling) and Feng Shui (energy manipulation) are things that mortals can explicitly learn, i.e they're actually linear sorcery paths.
Personally, if I was updating KotE, I'd lean into that to better standardise the mechanics. The various dots of those disciplines would become Rituals of the Fortune and Mana Control paths, and I'd say that the Wan Kuei could also learn other sorcery paths following the appropriate paradigm/practice. That way you can have Wan Kuei alchemists, which really should have always been possible, given the significance of alchemy and related traditional medicine in the source mythology and literature.
This would also put the various Wan Kuei rituals in an better mechanical context.
Talking of demon chi, remember that Wan Kuei only get as many points of it in their pool is their P'o rating. Even though it regenerates by itself every night it's still a scarce resource. For most of them, two points is a lot.
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mask of the sun produces constant sunlight in AOE (as far as I remember). no dodging that. Or level 1 Gift - Create element. Vamp would need to roll for terror every time his head is suddenly on fire.
Also, I meant in straightforward combat. if we are talking in general, that becomes even worse. even elder vampires sleep, while acting like beacons of nastiness in umbra. With just that, only elder vampires adept at sorcery (to ward their havens to gills) would survive and they would be very reluctant to leave fortified havens.
Mortals with phosphorus rounds and infrared goggles, or just good old steel and faith, could exterminate vampires as shown by inquisition. So werewolves should also.
huh? what are you talking about? Kuei-Jin, as well as some changing breeds, can already learn mortal linear sorcery paths just fine.
resources should be limited, or else it's too easy.
On the related note. Hun path (Internalize) has Blood Yoga that lets user recover WP points. we could try developing something like that for P'o.
I dont agree.
Prepared ground certainly. Magical bomb no.
We have explicit knowledge of their intentions towards J, and they are more along the lines of occult carrying case than magical bomb. And in most cases, desecrated ground scares off magicals, just like necromancers scare off ghosts.
Probably nothing.
Remember, things only started moving really fast just around 4AM this morning.
Not really weird. From the core book:
I was wondering about their finding the time to do this; the inclination isnt exactly unheard of in a lot of kueijin society, let alone a greater akuma that sold itself body and soul to a Yama King.
And he sets the tone for his entourage, as witnessed by his guards indulging themselves in torture instead of watching for intruders.
Going to note that Wan Kuei Attribute/Ability cap at <Dharma>.
So your Fomor with Mega Attribute 8 has a good chance of matching the Str/Dex/Sta of any sub-ancestor kueijin that doesnt have its demonic warform active.
Not so mucn of a problem in a 1v1.
But in the event they run into a high grade fomor pack thats geared up, it suddenly becomes something of concern, even with Black Wind and Demon Shintai.
I dont remember if kueijin can bloodbuff. Not that they have the internal pool to do so, but jade talismans are a thing.
Becoming terrestrial-tier in a focused combat build requires some investment, but isnt all that outre.
Its all the other stuff thats out of reach.
To be honest, I've been trying to figure out how to make Lydia a Ring of Power without making it unbalanced.
Animal testing then.
With a creature thats preferably docile, herbivorous, and slow, so that any changes in personality and ability stand out.
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Teenage mutant ninja turtles?
To my recollection, Mega-Attribute adds dots AND raises the cap.
If Im correct, a fomor who started with STR 2 and got Mega Attribute Strength, would now be Strength 5, but can spend XP normally to get up to 8. Most dont, but it is possible.
Not particularly.
WoD has HITMarks everywhere, as well as other construct types.
And we know sorcerers with no support infrastructure can and do make golems in the Dresdenverse.
One mad sorcerer does so while living in Undertown, and dealing with it is the plot of the graphic novel Down Town.
And Dresden mentions slime golems offhand in the short story Its My Birthday Too.
The Dresdenvers just doesnt do armies that way.
At least, the White Council doesnt.
Thats inaccurate.
Kueijin have combat-time chi regeneration specifically with regards to Demon Chi. If they activate Black Wind, they are regenerating Demon Chi every turn; I quote:
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They can, but it was worse than for Kinjin.
I think every Shintai Discipline has an associated attribute and you can only bloodbuff to that extend?
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also, don't forget that real war fomori are more like demonic hivemind cyborgs with integrated machineguns then just strong dudes. an exmple from werewolf book.
yes, they can. but it's discipline dependent. beyond it's own powers discipline allows to chi-buff related attribute. for example:
ghost fire shintai - stamina
blood shintai - strength
smoke shintai - dexterity
one of the main reasons they got fucked over so hard. XD
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I mean its probably more an inability than a fault.
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Some Bastet and the Kitsune can, but I wasn't aware that the Kindred of the East explicitly could.
If so, that would make the case to merge some of their discipline powers and their rites into being sorcery paths even stronger.
That's an Ancestor level Cultivation discipline power. It produces a lot more Demon Chi than the Internalise discipline does Willpower, so lower level versions may be possible, but still probably elder level.
Note that Dhampyrs, which are similar in some ways to people that have had their Inner Devils Unchained, can't use Soul Arts like that.
Personally, the way I'd do it is to allow Alchemy/Enchantment + Mana Control sorcery to create potions that store Demon Chi.
The Wan Kuei themselves can just eat chi in a tainted location to get more Demon Chi.
That's just fluff text. The Kindred of the East Companion says that you don't actually get the Demon Chi back.
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I was extending the EOD comparison you made for Harry, not literally suggesting he's a bomb.
The reason necromancers scare off ghosts is because of what happens when you show up, which is usually that their person presence or defenses are extra effective at dealing with them.
The "Beware of
Personally I think the power creep should be managed carefully.
Once being terrestrial tier is the entry level for minion work the setting gets distorted. Either Dresden and Co. turn into Krillin or everyone breaks out power buffs that make the world building prior to it fall apart.
This isn't WoD, so if something implies by the mechanics of a different setting does weird stuff to this one I believe we'd be better off ignoring it.
In principle that looks like something you can do, but -4 is a lot, you could make a -1 powder with the level you have (if you got the recipe) with an upgrade to -2 later.
Slightly delayed, but:
Raw attributes aren't everything. Disciplines go a long way, as do other supernatural advantages like blessings from spiritual patrons, magical equipment, etc
Also, Wan Kuei can also make fomor and other kinds of supernaturally empowered minions. If you're going after an elder Wan Kuei you need to be ready to deal with his own brute squad of monsters.
Raw attributes aren't everything. Disciplines go a long way, as do other supernatural advantages like blessings from spiritual patrons, magical equipment, etc
Also, Wan Kuei can also make fomor and other kinds of supernaturally empowered minions. If you're going after an elder Wan Kuei you need to be ready to deal with his own brute squad of monsters.
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That is just fluff, the mechanics of Black Wind make absolutely no mention of regaining Demon Chi and the Discipline explicitly costs Demon Chi to use.
Thing is, WoD mages are often pretty squishy as well, and there are lots of things that Dresden faces that are pretty superhuman physically.
Being physically outclassed is quite normal and in-theme.
And fomor aren't terrestrial tier. They're generally one trick ponies that can usually be killed with guns a lot more easily than a terrestrial can. They don't have really esoteric abilities or the ability to do much more than bunch through walls.
The rage spirit based 'werewolves' in Blood Moon are quite good examples of fomor.
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eeeh, they have jade dogs. could have made at least something like that but cheaper with less powers and dumber AI.
I think they are just shit at serious war.
they do have their own brand of sorcery - Rituals. Sinergy with disciplines/sorcery could be possible, but that's left to QM.
maybe, or go werewolf way and invest into drum technology. XD
often. not always. combat cyborg or a niphilim with couple wonders can kick ass just fine.
not really, check out fomori powers. things like turning into mist, growing ectoplasmic tentacles, blasting minds, etc.
pentext even has special program making telepathic fomori. with unfortunate taste for brains. XD
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only one person can make those my dude and shes a senior council member. Not that its said that their unique or anything. Just the ones we see are made by one woman.
Edit: Magics also very personalized in dresden files streamlining shit seems just near impossible at least for mortals from what we see.
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it is personalized, but still teachable. even if not to exact standards, otherwise teaching would be impossible. that's why I also said - simplified versions. not to mention, they manage to produce ton of personalized warden swords for decapitations just fine.
Not to mention, there are so many other things that I can name off the head. like possessed statues/mannequins, animal necromancy, simply maintaining human mercenaries/guards.
It seems most of wizards are lost in their personal projects and maintain barebone police force mostly for executions. They just never bothered adapting or developing even after Kemmler fiasco. simply getting wardens each to train a support cadre of more combat oriented lesser talents would have really helped. they just never bothered. similarly, widely cultivating good relations with some supernatural allies would have been great (like Harry does).
P.S. while called 'lesser talents' quite a few of them can be very combat capable. lesser known canon examples would be were-gators, pyrokinetic, insectomancer, etc.
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those warden swords were also made by one person. Mind you there's most definitely room for improvement their not all just incompetent though. I imagine its not helped that some may be fools and others just straight up have evil agendas. Also centuries old morals and a society predicated on every time they get involved with politics shit gets fucked up means they probably don't always adopt certain doctrines that might be smart to do.
Edit: But, plenty have served in wars and then a lot of the old ones do actually keep in tune with modern developments like medicine they just can't actively use a lot of the tech. I know the native american senior council member goes through medical school every couple decades or so for like the last century.
Also also necromancy is illegal given there are necromancy adjacent disciplines that thin the line.
Edit Edit beyond the edit: The lesser talents is a good idea though its even brought up in book there are a few reasons its not been done one of them being culturally its just not really as common, part of it is that in the past there were less teachers and a lot of distance between people that made it less likely, now its more one of those traditions really also you know agendas that plenty groups have like wanting power or straight up having evil plans.
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As always VEE fixes a lot of problems granting our people things like the 6 Dot legendary sphere merit. GM basically said that things like the warden swords require the merit along side high dots in how he is modeling things.
And boasting our minor talents with merits like that, or just giving them path dots.
And boasting our minor talents with merits like that, or just giving them path dots.
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the mercenary stuff well historically politics has almost always gone bad and you know up until like the last century witch hunts were a thing. Heck you can still find obscure news all around. Its one of the things thats probably 'more' viable now and isn't used simply due to inertia, different goals, and evil agendas.