- Location
- washington
Can't exalted made fomori have like 9 dots or 10 in physical attributes?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
- Location
- Germany
Yes, theoretically
There is one Gift that raises the Formor's attributes:
But you can only take it up to 3 times and the average formor only has around 3 Gifts anyway, so putting them all in high physical stats leaves them as mundane humans otherwise.
And these Bakemono are not obviously physically altered (they functioned as spies in Chicago for some time), so that's not it here.
Given that they are made from spirits from Kakuri it's more likely that they have some sneaky boni, rather than combat-prowess.
Edit: I'd pit a young Wan Kuei with Demon Shintai and Black Wind against a super-Formor any time.
Last edited:
Yeah if either of those Fomori had enhanced attributes at 10 you would have noticed. It is possible to hide a 6-7 by mundane means, say baggy clothes or dark sunglasses and there is a Gift that turns them into basically were-mutants who only show their true form when they wish, but that is for very very powerful Fomori. In WoD the origins to such beings have to do with the Worm, but we do not have those here, what we do have is Molly with a 5 in Occult so here's why some of them are much more powerful then others
It comes down to how much room there is in the human's soul, the easiest way to make room, so the one that is used by most dark and unclean spirits is to eat your way in using preexisteing fault-lines, so a spirit of rage into someone with serious anger management issues, or a spirit of avarice into someone who has ruined his life by greed, but it's hard to build a bunker with your teeth, it is an imperfect method that can only make so much room before the soul collapses in on itself and the spirit is left without a home. The better way to do it is to anchor the spirit to the base of someone's soul and have it grow more of less symbiotically with the user, taking advantage of the maximum amount of metapphysical room as the soul develops. That is how the White Court Vampries work and it is also why they can grow in power so far beyond most of the spirit-bound, their own court of vampires as opposed to just another flavor of supernatural muscle like those beserkers you fought. Someone very skilled or very lucky made the first bargain with a spirit of hunger, bound to slumber in the blood of their children evermore.
It comes down to how much room there is in the human's soul, the easiest way to make room, so the one that is used by most dark and unclean spirits is to eat your way in using preexisteing fault-lines, so a spirit of rage into someone with serious anger management issues, or a spirit of avarice into someone who has ruined his life by greed, but it's hard to build a bunker with your teeth, it is an imperfect method that can only make so much room before the soul collapses in on itself and the spirit is left without a home. The better way to do it is to anchor the spirit to the base of someone's soul and have it grow more of less symbiotically with the user, taking advantage of the maximum amount of metapphysical room as the soul develops. That is how the White Court Vampries work and it is also why they can grow in power so far beyond most of the spirit-bound, their own court of vampires as opposed to just another flavor of supernatural muscle like those beserkers you fought. Someone very skilled or very lucky made the first bargain with a spirit of hunger, bound to slumber in the blood of their children evermore.
Last edited:
- Location
- Germany
How would that work out for awakening the P'o of people with our Kakuri-Charm?
Closer to regular Formori I guess, since that is the stated mechanic.
It would work more like making an artificial scion (like the ghouls or changelings) as you would be taking a natural part of the human soul and making it supernatural. However it would allow them to learn the Demon Arts of the Wan Kuei, just the demon arts. Your Exaltation remembers more of Yomi Wan than what Molly can put into words. The other charms are more of a typical binding, some closer than other. For instance the Wicked City Charm makes a demonic graft, which is why it is easier to hide, being at the intersection of channeling the dark spirit and having a magic item grafted to you.
They would not be terestrial grade, Lydia is terrestrial grade, this would be more comparable to mind grade supernaturals like the White Court, but more combat focused at the cost of being very blatant.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Wait, do people we awaken with the Kakuri charm suffer from the drawbacks of the Demon Arts, ignore them because they're artificial scions instead of soul-mauled undead, or ignore them because of Mercy in Servitude being hax? Because depending on the answer to that question, having access to Demon Arts could be significantly more hax than it otherwise appears.
Last edited:
Well, okay, you are not wrong. Its just, the gap between archetypical terrestrial-grade exalts - dragonblooded - and what amounts of a weird subspecies of Wan Kuei really isn't that big.
Lydia is kind of Terrestrial+ and I'll die on that hill.
I'd say that our Kakuri charm minions should follow the same rules as Dhampyrs regarding having an awakened P'o.
That is, ranks in demon disciplines capped by the P'o rating, the Humanity rating capped by 10-P'o rating, and having to make rolls for Wave/Shadow soul when required. They'd also have points of Demon Chi equal to their P'o rating and can only recover up to one point per night.
MiS would deal with the Wave/Shadow soul issue, but not, I think, with the Humanity reduction/cap.
If they're as I suggest above, they're more like a significantly less powerful version of Dhampyrs.
That is, ranks in demon disciplines capped by the P'o rating, the Humanity rating capped by 10-P'o rating, and having to make rolls for Wave/Shadow soul when required. They'd also have points of Demon Chi equal to their P'o rating and can only recover up to one point per night.
MiS would deal with the Wave/Shadow soul issue, but not, I think, with the Humanity reduction/cap.
If they're as I suggest above, they're more like a significantly less powerful version of Dhampyrs.
Last edited:
The thing is you are not even getting full Wan Kuei, what you are getting is fomori that can learn their disciplines, can, not 'come with them automatically'
That you would actually have to test in character. Molly does not even have the charm.
- Location
- washington
in fairness even just one stat thats like 9+ is still huge even if their freakish thats still as much if not more than some werewolves in their stronger form. Not these specifically I'm just talking about future theoretical fomor not that I can really see molly making some for a long time its just too much a character leap.
Last edited:
Only banes/devils possessing a non-human host can get to 9+ Attributes. Getting to 8 would require one to possess a person with a peak human physique.
- Location
- washington
fairly sure some of the charms can make someone have those things they just no longer count as human?
- Location
- Germany
I think the Gift can stack, otherwise there would be no point in making it explicit that 10 is the cap.
It would be a waste, having two Mega-Attribute Gifts in Strenght, but it doesn't seem impossible.
There may be other fomor powers that increase attributes, true, but I think they're at best more conditional.
As it says:
No attribute can be raised more than once this way or raised above 10.
You can only take Mega-Attribute once per Attribute.
The reason the cap on 10 is mentioned is because you can have things like elephant fomor that are naturally stronger or tougher than humans can be.
- Location
- washington
In fairness thats still more than some werewolves can have so its fairly impressive since you can semi-mass produce them over time if you really tried. Given I doubt it'll ever come up at least not for a long time due to the moral implications.
Another reason to get our Hell sooner rather than later is so that any fomor we create follow our themes not those of someone else's Hell.
That's true, but it also ignores that Werewolves have other Gifts they can learn from spirits, or bonuses from Totems; etc.
That's true, but it also ignores that Werewolves have other Gifts they can learn from spirits, or bonuses from Totems; etc.
Speaking of non-human fomori - inner devils unleashed Carolina ripper peppers.
Sadly, given the mechanics of Inner Devils Unleashed I expect it would only work on mortal humans.
We'd need Spawning Pit Sanctification…
- Location
- washington
Of course though those things alone mean the average werewolf still thrashes the average young gen vampire. Not counting the more skilled ones and most if no werewolves can really match the old gen vampires in white wolf. Sometimes just those physical attacks is all it takes to fuck someone up a lot lol.
I think we could maybe justify turning sick animals and injured ones into fomori in the future once we have our hell and then take out some individuals with high animal kin to take care of them. But, even that would have a whole moral debate.
Spawning pit requires a choice on the mortal's part. The implant charm could work.
- Location
- washington
offhand what charms allows us to grab minion souls when they die or enemy souls in general?
- Location
- Terror Australis
For mid-tier combatants, we could just use demons inhabiting automaton shells. They can't actually die from conventional violence, can benefit directly from Craft, Alchemy and Enchantment, are intelligent and come with the bonus of mystical perceptions.
Of course if we just want to span totally disposable combatants we can manufacture constructs with Enchantment. Enchantment at higher levels can basically duplicate the Effigy Hekau allowing creation of animated statues that are the equivalent of medium to large animals or basic human soldiers.
Of course if we just want to span totally disposable combatants we can manufacture constructs with Enchantment. Enchantment at higher levels can basically duplicate the Effigy Hekau allowing creation of animated statues that are the equivalent of medium to large animals or basic human soldiers.
- Location
- Germany
I feel like real Golems are a much bigger deal in both Dresden Files and WoD than in some other fantasy.
This is not D&D where Golem-armies are viable.