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In fairness it's completely in character even if I do believe we likely wouldn't even if we had a custom character. Can't just not be Molly now that we are Molly.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yeah, and in the flat "more bigatons" way of gaining actual power, not the normal gaining of experience and knowledge of our powers over time like most newly empowered, by mantles or otherwise. It's pretty clear we're actually growing and growing fast since she last saw us in action at the museum fight. Of course, that could just mean she's figured we're the baby form of whatever we're turning into. She might not yet have figured out that the base Nature of the Exalted is to grow in power in the same way that it is the Nature of Winter to be cold. Once people figure out how fast we're growing in power, and that we're not going to stop growing, that will drastically change how they interact with us.
Back in the old days, people knew that you either had to get an Exalt early before they had time to ramp up or you couldn't get them at all. We've been blessed with an entire summer of head start before people figured that out in modern times. Hopefully taking out that greater akuma will be enough of a show to nudge peoples' calculations between "nip us in the bud" and "get on her good side early."
Michael might have something to say about Molly playing intrigue against an age old demon lord.
Not that there aren't issues with this whole "plan", but I'm pretty sure a knight of the cross is the last person to be able to say "are you sure it's safe to try redeeming that?".
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[X] So you know how stage magicians draw attention to one thing in order to hide another... (Explain the whole situation with Eiko, the conspiracy etc...)
We have to do the legwork ourselves.
He has Uriel to take over the long-term planning while sending him on his missions.
We have to do the legwork ourselves.
Uriel is sneaky and is likely to support "redeem Emma-O" plan. Being sneaky it wouldn't surprise me if Michael started to get missions that advance that plot and involve us.
Something like: *Glad to see you're moving up in the world, I'm proud of you*?
While it is true that Michael does not have an objection to redeeming anyone that is not the issue Molly is anticipating. It is more that he might be leery of getting involve with an akuma who is still under her master's control other than what she can rules' lawyer and whose ability to keep her intentions secret is crucial to the whole plan, since if Emma-O gets suspicious at all he can just make her spill all her secrets. If this happens the Yama King who has already shown a worrying interest in tearing out Molly's Exaltation by killing her to get it under control will be in an ideal condition to set up an ambush. This is the kind of thing the demon in your head who spends 90% of his time praising you is a little wary of, nevermind Michael
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so haven't stayed updated on more current updates are akumas adjusted to not be immune to thresholds and such under the current paradigm?
[X] So you know how stage magicians draw attention to one thing in order to hide another... (Explain the whole situation with Eiko, the conspiracy etc...)
They are not immune, but this is a lobby and the Last Station had a very weak one as it had only recently been counted as a home by any of its human or near-human inhabitants. Porter has always thought of it as his home of course, but he does not benefit from threshold formation
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I'm more asking for general information less anything currently happening. Some thresholds aren't that good. But, plenty of thresholds can stop borderline gods since thats just part of the rules they follow. Given partial mortals and wizards seem to be able to ignore thresholds at the cost of leaving a lot of their power at the door. Obviously there are plenty of ways to get around the threshold problem like just getting some mortals to destroy a house or not being a full supernatural being and just bringing guns to a magic fight. Some partial mortals barely even have thresholds since they are strengthened by a lot of combinations like is there a family, is there love there, how much time is spent there, how long has this house been part of the family, do they live in multiple places, do they own the place, how much is this a home and how much is this simply a place to lie down or do crimes against humanity, etc etc?
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I cannot really think of many that would stop as you say 'borderline gods', in fact I can only think of one, the Carpenter Threshold and that one is special because of what family lives there.
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no they can prevent it simply cause thats some of the rules said beings have to play by. Its not a power thing so much as a these beings specifically aren't allowed to just enter a threshold.
Given you can always change things but a lot of said powerful beings can't break these vaguely defined rules that exist.
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Harry says in White Night when walking into Anna Ash's home without an invitation that this leaves some of his power metaphorically at the door. The thing is that a fraction of Harry's power is probably still enough to win any fight against Anna and the same is all the more true when dealing with beings more powerful than him. For an example think of Cowl in Dead Beat, he was trying to become a god so he could kill the Senior Council though their best wards. If any level of threshold would provide better protection than those wards the Senior Council would be chilling behind those but they are not, they are behind the Merlin's wards which still are not enough to deal with an ascended Coil.
Now there are beings for which the limitation is much more severe, like the Black Court, but generally even the best threshold in the world will only cut down a faction of the intruder's magic, so the question becomes how much did they have to begin with?
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the erlking is stopped dead by murphy families house threshold. Given its an exceptional threshold since its been in the household for around a century. Thats not exactly unheard of though thats still like a million homes worldwide if not more. Given a fair few of those are probably broken homes. But, it exists. Given cait sith could just enter Thomas house when invited by Dresden given that might be unique to them or rare I'll also note that was before nemesis infection which would generally ruin rules of reality as far as I've seen so yeah its not absolute. So its not an absolute rule of anything. The queens couldn't just enter a house if not invited given they have more than enough ways to circumvent that with minions and such.
Edit: Also your using mortals as an example who explicitly aren't as bound to the rules.
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The fey are generally on the more polite side of the supernatural world, it could be that the Earlking could force a threshold and simply chose not to or it could be that like vampires he is also hard countered by the limitation (though probably not for the same reason given the difference in their nature).
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thats somewhat of a fair assumption red vampires are also stop cold by it though. Fae if anything are some of the most rule bound species from what we've seen so its a completely fair assumption. Given your just making suppositions. Also the erlking is not polite they've got rules their bound to they aren't gonna stop out of morals or anything if their stopped its cause of a rule.
Also I did kind of mention gods who as we've seen in the series are very very limited in what they can do even if their very present in the world I'm fairly sure they can't even kill humans willy nilly without taking risks. Unless their domains are invaded or their attacked first or something.
Maybe in some cases but Odin runs a mercenary company and he used to be a war god, I am pretty sure it is entirely within his paradigm to kill mortals.
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Odin is explicitly written as a guy whose taken the risk that he could die permanently and took up other mantles to be able to continue his roles once he became weaker due to taking that risk. Like wog Odin knows he can die doing what he does and chooses to anyway.
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