Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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One of the interesting implications of the way thresholds work is that it strongly incentivise behaviours not acroslly seen in the Dresden Files. Supernatural creatures would really want to marry into or have mortal families that live in the same place for a long time. You also wouldn't see so many minor talents live in flats as we see. Moving out of the family home would be massively selected against as it's asking to be eaten.
It also means you wouldn't see separate headquarters like the White Council's in Edinburgh. They'd have big houses they and their families had lived in for centuries and they'd meet there.
It also means you wouldn't see separate headquarters like the White Council's in Edinburgh. They'd have big houses they and their families had lived in for centuries and they'd meet there.
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ehhh you say this except people make stupid illogical decisions in real life and don't always have an active choice. Like seriously people make stupid decisions allllll the time and wizards aren't on average any smarter than real humans. Not everyone inherits a wizard talent for one and definitely can't afford to have all the descendants that exist within a house. Not to mention wars that move people or just dying when your out of your home and not all wizards are rich most old wizards are rich. Also I mean not everyone in the white council are friends or trust each other and there are clear divisions.
Edit: Mind you there should be some of this stuff I just don't think its as absolutely a thing that should exist as you say. But, its not like the series is perfect Jim Butcher usually thinks things through but its not like hes ever said his series has no flaws.
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People can be stupid; but people and cultures also respond to incentives. We should be seeing a lot more multi-generational wizard/minor talent households. The descendants of wizards might not all be wizards but that doesn't mean you have to kick them out. But we see the opposite; we see none of them at all, except for the Raiths who don't even generate Thresholds.
Also, Thresholds or rather the lack of them would mean that nomadic cultures are totally screwed…
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In fairness its not like dresdens seen everything also for nomadic cultures well yeah? I know some wizards have generational homes its mentioned at least a couple times. Not all of them have that advantage though and you can't keep everyone in a family home for even even a couple hundred years from any logical perspective there's not enough room. Though I mean a lot of people are screwed across the world and there are areas where the masquerade isn't nearly as strong. Though its not like monsters are omnipotent or anything they at the very least on average have less of them than there are humans. A lot of things in dresden files clearly go unexplained or will stay unexplained until later books and its probably gonna stay like that somewhat even until the very end simply cause authors often leave mysteries. Also dresden is barely around other wizards from a day to day basis there are only so many actual council members even in the u.s. as a whole.
Fairly sure the average wizard doesn't have to deal with anywhere near the amount of shit dresden does.
Also also while thresholds are great those monsters with enough incentives can just get mortals to do their jobs for them.
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From the wizard's perspective though, you don't need to keep everyone, just someone, ideally a lineal descent of several generations would give you a rock solid foundation for your wards.
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probably though human memories kinda short for those who don't live long enough for a number of reasons or get separated from family for an absurd amount of reasons thats not always an option. Some of those people aren't gonna be able to keep their homes for centuries for a lot of reasons. Given your not wrong it probably has happened I know ancient mai has relatives in canon with talents who are at least great or great great grand children so they might. Though until recently witch hunts were often an actual worry so being that one dude that doesn't age is probably a worry that gets them to occasionally move. Plus enemies which over time take over the area, burn down your house through any number of ways, or spats with family I can see these things being difficult. Heck some descendants might lose the talent for hundreds of years and just forget about threshold bullshit or they get collateraled by any number of conflicts. I can't imagine the wizards in china enjoyed their time under mao when control of property became illegal.
But, what you mention probably has been at least tried I guess? Like your not wrong they probably have attempted it and dresdens not exactly on good terms with the majority of the council he doesn't get told a lot. thats even a wog from butcher that dresden doesn't know a lot about the council.
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Could we get Harry or Garb to tell us a random occult secret to help our recharge during the trip?
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honestly we should be able to? Yes its abusable the worlds fucking huge and thinking intelligently should have benefits. Its not like everyone can do what molly can.
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That doesn't seem like a safe inference. Harry is mortal it just makes sense that the rules don't apply to him as strongly. It's possible that Harry (or random other wizard) could walking into a generational house and kill the loving couple well Mab, Broken Seeker or Rivershoulders would destroy themselves if they tried to enter.
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pretty much to a degree mortals and partial mortals can leave a lot of power at the door. While others kinda have to do suicide tactics until they've overpowered the threshold which doesn't work nearly as well with powerful thresholds. There is a clear the stronger you are the more limits there usually are going on in dreaden files. white court can leave power at the door full reds and blacks simply can't get in without destroying the threshold though which we've only ever actually seen be done on relatively weaker thresholds and was never directly done by anyone not employing suicide tactics with mooks. That or employing mortals indirectly who just ignore it.
Again points at Cowl, if all it would take to stop a god with a grudge is a threshold the Senior Council would only meet in cozy multi-generational family homes, even if they had to pull their resources to buy one (family and all) in every city on Earth, they would not use wards.
Particularly as it's not an either/or, as a strong threshold acts as a foundation to build stronger wards, so they'd meet in those multi-generational homes and build more powerful wards as well.
This is one of those places were the world building is a bit shaky.
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most gods can't even exhibit power on the planet normally though? Most other than like odin are cosplaying normal people essentially. And again Odins an exception as he literally came down with risks of dying unlike others.
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in fairness the owners of said homes would have to hand invite everybody in every single time so thats a security risk. At least for wizards if they wanted to have their power be freely usable. Not to mention mortals could just fuck up said home and not everyone in the council gets along at all. Not to say there shouldn't be cases not even sure there are none simply cause all we get is dresdens pov most of the time and Jim Butcher never gives us the full metaphysical details even if he knows them and a lot wont be revealed until later or possibly never.
Standing invitations exist, thresholds are not bad AI. Also I am not talking about bunking there all the time, I am talking about where they have their meetings.
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Also at a certain level of power thresholds don't matter if you don't care about collateral damage. Best threshold in the world stops working if you throw enough giant rocks and destroy the house.
Well unless Molly gets Prince of Ruin attitude then she can get a ruined house to keep working.
Well unless Molly gets Prince of Ruin attitude then she can get a ruined house to keep working.
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They should be doing both, anchor the wards to the thresholds.
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I'm aware though I'm unsure any of them would like that in their home and if they don't think about it as their home and its just for meetings its threshold is unlikely to be that great.
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So Cowl in god mood would likely just blast all the Senior Council homes with giant rocks or something until the places were ruined enough to not count as a home anymore. The Senior Council likely have protections against that sort of thing, but Cowl would likely not care.
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note erlking can't just destroy murphys house for some reason. Though no idea how many species that matters too. Also lets be honest any high powered supernatural's are fairly likely to be able to get a guy with a rocket launcher.
Also how many times does it have to be reiterated gods are limited in the world? Like they can't even attack random people as far as I know. The limitations largely vary clearly but its at least made fairly clear without self imposed limitations they can't affect the world greatly at all.
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By the way dp in the books several times thresholds are referred to as entities anything to that in quest here? Also anything molly would know with occult 5?
Thresholds are not alive, though as in the case of Bane they can be made to be so.
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Well Murphy's house was in the middle of a city. There likely would have been consequences if Erlking went full no care about collateral damage. Also I actually can't think of a thematic way that he would do indirect mass destruction. Throwing rocks doesn't seem like him.
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Erlking can do plenty to other places he just can't enter the grounds really or directly attack it I don't think. its just a rule he has to follow same way red courts and black courts do. Erlking does not give a shit about collateral hes basically living collateral who goes around killing things.
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