Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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That happens for anything and has nothing to do with the crown.
I personally find it annoying and would love it if there was a little more yog and a little less uju, risk adverse quests can quickly get boring out of paranoia after nothing happens and the MC never tries anything new.
On that note:
[x] Yog
Dresden files could have aliens, there is not reason why not, and urban fantasy doesn't mean no alien.
And what does it costs to ask? At worst, we get a *no* and that's it.
Personally I think his praising on Mab and all her strengths and how she's better than us and all that makes me think he simply gave up on trying to do that.
It's the Yin-Yang (Yog-Uju?) of sufficient velocity, and just like Yin-Yang, sometimes they'll switch approaches on a minor aspect of the vote.
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It is kinda funny that this quest has seen some arguments that participants have already made over a decade ago in Worm/Exalted fanfiction on SB.
Time is a wheel, unless the Sixth Age breaks it.
Time is a wheel, unless the Sixth Age breaks it.
True to a point but the eye crown is a ultra high level massive argument flashpoint which will never not cause massive issues. In table top it is fine as only one person is asking the questions.
Also @Yog the Prophecy question is meaningless exalted essence use explicitly cannot be predicted, and causes butterfly effect with every use.
Exalted Essence use can't be accurately predicted by the Loom of Fate.
That doesn't mean it's impossible to use prophecy on the Exalted. There's a reason even the First Age Solars didn't dare wake Sacheverell.
And we're in a world where time travel is possible, which means that prophecy can be based on time travelling information. That means that it doesn't matter that you can't model what Exalted Essence will do if you can just look at what it will have done in the future and act on that observation in the present.
That doesn't mean it's impossible to use prophecy on the Exalted. There's a reason even the First Age Solars didn't dare wake Sacheverell.
And we're in a world where time travel is possible, which means that prophecy can be based on time travelling information. That means that it doesn't matter that you can't model what Exalted Essence will do if you can just look at what it will have done in the future and act on that observation in the present.
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OK, I'm feeling inspired, vote closed.
Ok, let me give you a long and elaborate response to this counter argument.
1) Prophecies don't have to be correct, or true, or even made by real prophets at all to influence someone's decision. if a charlatan somehow convinces someone powerful that we are a harbinger of apocalypse, that someone would go after us, whether or not the prophecy is true.
2) While actions of exalts cannot be predicted due to player's choice being sacrosanct in exalted, and in-game essence use f*cks with Fate, prophecies regarding return of exalts as a start of new era could still exist. They don't even need to be prophecies in the sense of "visions of the future written down". They could just be warnings from creators of Black Vault to their descendants "if these golden assholes get loose, the world will burn". Those would still apply to Molly as the subject of the prophecy and the first exalt of this age.
3) In Exalted 2 there's Samsara system - at the very least Maidens are able to predict exalted choices in-universe in some manner.
4) This is not only a question about Molly, but about her family. I'll leave Michael aside, for now. There could be prophecies, true or false, about our siblings, or Charity (for example, Michael slaying the Dragon could have been prophesized). It would not surprise me if canon Molly's fate of becoming Winter Lady was a subject of at least some prophecy, one broken by her exalted in this continuity. We want to know even the broken prophecies, however, as they could still motivate others to act (see point 1).
And these are also very good points, thanks. I didn't think about time travel at all - that's a mechanism for generating prophecies that exalted wouldn't have (many) defenses against. There was a reason why time travel was so tightly locked down in Creation.
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in fairness this is a power that lets you know the secrets of gods and things older than time it being able to be cheesed is an intended mechanic if not one the qm would like.
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wonder how the human answer will go about since well there are multiple answers to it most likely. It could be for this world, the old world, there could also be multiple sources for humanity.
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We get a recap of Gunstar Autochtonia and then have a lot of very strange questions for Battlestar Galactica authors.We might get a two-for-one answer on that one...
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Pic not working.We might get a two-for-one answer on that one...
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Huh, works for me.
It's just a pic of Crazy Hair Guy from the Ancient Aliens TV show using his catchphrase, "Aliens!"
Winning Vote
Arc 5 Post 11: Mote in God's Eye
Mote in God's Eye
1st of September 2006 A.D.
The SETI Website is very space-y. Technical term that one remember if Usum. It's filled with the pictures of very serious looking scientists and projects with big, inspiring looking names and ambitious timelines. If optimistic futurism had a MySpace this would be it. We're gonna meet the aliens and it will all be just like Star Trek... or if you actually read the text instead of looking at the pictures of pretty sky-scapes and radio telescopes rising out of the rocky deserts like steel mushrooms we might get an email flung into the cold void of space, possibility from a civilization that is already gone.
Where might I find what the organization behind this website seeks?
The sparks of eldritch fire that are your eyes unsleeping fly outwards faster than the speed of thought, faster than a lighting's flash, faster than space unfolding... Tearing itself apart, something dark ever-creeping whispers.
Thus you see them, one, two three, ten, a thousand, tens of thousands, coordinates in a base eight system you have never seen before and yet which feels oddly intuitive.
"No way," you gasp. "There is no way there are than many advanced..." Then you stop and laugh, very glad no one is here to hear this one. SETI is looking for aliens and all those are coordinates where alien life can be found... by you. You now know where a lot of alien life is, but you have no way of knowing how much of that is life that can be detected, or recognized if it is detected by Earth sensors.
I know where the aliens are but I have no way to prove it, just call me Jane Foster and put me in a spiny thing.
Usum does not get the joke, you make a mental note to also re-watch Contact and also figure out a way to get the information out there other than write a conspiracy blog.
Granted given enough time and materials you probably could build a spaceship and magic is no respecter of mere physical constants.
Later, way later, you you change the tab over to an electronic version of a book that set the whole world on fire a century and a half ago. How could it not have with the very catchy title On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
"How did humans come to be?"
A stygian hellscape, boiling black water below poisoned skies, deeper than deep, in the dance of amino-acids folding and contorting a spark of the divine, probability bent
...On a wave-wreaked coast crumbling to too sharp edges grey green pond scum clings
...Trees taller than redwoods dripping green shadows
...A Creature not quite fish, not yet not-a-fish gasps for breath in the heady air
Faster and faster the images come.
...Something that looks like a sharp-nosed mouse with deep grey fur and a mouth full of small sharp teeth scrambles onto the forest floor
...Things running, things climbing, eyes always the eyes looking out into the world with a growing glimmer of curiosity, faces shifting into compassion, twisting into malice
...The rain beats down on the savanna, trickles like coiling like serpents through the black earth. Miracles in small things, patterns in the chaos, footprints in the dirt
WHAT WAS WILL BE
The proclamation seems to shove your wandering gaze back in on itself, the colors of your room are once more the only things you can see around you. Even though you had never lost sight of your room during the... nature documentary crossed with LSD, you are going to say, it takes you even longer to acclimate to it. Evolution happened, you knew that already unless God was into playing really elaborate pranks with the fossil record, but there was also an ethereal aspect, spiritual to the time and the place when the Fallen Angel met the Rising Ape. But that last bit... patterns, molds.
A memory jars loose Ages of gold, ages of silver, ages of bronze and a rain of jaguars...
You are at least pretty sure that one comes from your 'coronation' back when you'd been more concerned with getting off the torture tree. That is one google search away from the Aztec myth... one that had the world and humanity recreated again and again by a different god.
"Anyone out there care to share any insights, explanations?" you ask to the air and/or any angels who might be listening.
Nothing.
Not that you had been expecting an angel to materialize on your bed between the off-green sweatpants and the CD player with the tangled up headphones, but it sure would be nice.
Almost as an afterthought you move on to big the list of US universities Clippy had complied for you and ask: "Which of the organizations in this list are the most mired in the supernatural?"
This time the answer is just a blazing green line under one of the names: Brown University Wait a second, Providence Rhode Island? Isn't that...? It only takes a few more clicks to confirm, it is the university Lovecraft would have liked to attend, if he weren't sickly and scared of... almost everything really. It is easier to make a list of the things Lovecraft was not afraid of. Fun.
Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 8/12
What do you want to do next?
[] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
[] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
-[] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 progress)
-[] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order (Can begin studying Dragon's Speed)
[] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
[] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
[] Write in
OOC: In the interests of not spending all your essence at once IC and not bombarding you with too much exposition at once out of character and overwhelming you guys I am going to be peppering this stuff in with your regular actions. This also gives you the chance to act on this stuff, take any quick reactions to what you find out without waiting for October. So if you wanted to phone Brown university and ask if they train wizards to see what reaction you get that is something you can now do.
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[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
Reasoning - setting up a proper workshop is part of this, and we could use said workshop for other stuff. Otherwise, Trading in Lore should be fine - we could discuss what we discovered with Bob.
Also, hell yeah, aliens. Importantly, seemingly no aliens on Earth.
And "White God is a Primordial survivor of the Age of Legends" seems more and more reasonable... Wait. Is White God a Devil Tiger? The funniest thing would be if Molly had their exaltation.
Reasoning - setting up a proper workshop is part of this, and we could use said workshop for other stuff. Otherwise, Trading in Lore should be fine - we could discuss what we discovered with Bob.
Also, hell yeah, aliens. Importantly, seemingly no aliens on Earth.
And "White God is a Primordial survivor of the Age of Legends" seems more and more reasonable... Wait. Is White God a Devil Tiger? The funniest thing would be if Molly had their exaltation.
I understood it like that: evolution happened. The primordial soup, abiogenesis and everything. But there were "Miracles in small things, patterns in the chaos, footprints in the dirt" set up so it was humans that evolved. And it was setup by someone aiming at recreating "what was". Possibly a survivor of the previous ages.
Also, Aztecs got a lot of things right, cosmologically speaking, and we probably want to kick some Red Court vampires out of ancient ruins and talk to some aztec deities, some of whom might or might not be Dragon Kings.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
So she did not ask all the questions?
[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
WHAT WILL BE WAS
Well, would you look at that, the question was actually helpful and had an interesting hook, how strange, it's almost like being proactive can help and turtling while afraid of our shadow and waiting for *the perfect question* is a good way to miss opportunities. /s
[X] Starting up
It's mentioned in the end of the update that the questions will be asked and answered in sections, so as not to make too long post, and to give us chances to act on them. Like talking to Bob about Aztec myths, and sending anonymous tips to SETI with coordinates of alien life.