Yoohoo!
By the way, what are the conditions for it? I can't find it when I search on the version of the pdf I found.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yoohoo!
By the way, what are the conditions for it? I can't find it when I search on the version of the pdf I found.
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It's a 5-dot charm, unfavored, that has Essence 4 as a prerequisite. So it's not happening anytime soon, and we're almost definitely getting our Kingdom charm before that.
And also, after I reread the charm description, it doesn't seem to let you pick a second form? It's just a flat modifier added on your original Shintai and a chance to update aesthetics. Am I missing something?
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There's nothing explicit about getting to choose the looks of a new form, but mechanically it's a fully new form with a new Health-track and this is the flavor:
I'm 99% sure it's meant to be a final-boss form, and thus come with visual changes too.
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Yes, but it says nothing about letting you pick a second template. If I'm reading it right, you're still stuck with the same template as your regular Shintai with a flat bonus on top. Everyone talks about it like we'll be picking a different template, rules and all, when I can't find any indication of that in the charm text. We'll still be a Devil Tyrant, with all of the limitations and advantages inherent to that, with only some updated aesthetics and a small power boost.
Again, am I missing something, since everyone else seems to think differently?
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No, you are fundamentally right.
But still, new power and a new look that we can propably pick with some freedom.
Oils are generally flammable.
Water isnt.
Pouring oil on your skin before getting into a fight with supernaturals is a suboptimal choice.
Besides, enough oil to activate Boiling Sea Mastery will soak your clothes through anyway.
Defeats the point of Ebon Scales beung something you can walk around in incognito
Of course, we also have to worry about whether water makes us more vulnerable to lightning spells.
Thankfully, lightning as an attack modality doesnt seem especially common.
Strongly disagree.
That shit literally saved Butters' life less than a year back in Dead Beat; a piece of chalk, and the knowledge that magic circles are a thing, and that even nonmagicals can power them. Saved his life, saved Dresden's bacon.
Knowing which are neutral areas and protected zones matter. Knowing that thresholds are a thing matters. Knowing supernatural custom matters. We literally see Karrin Murphy ruleslawyer a twenty foot tall, four or five ton armored Gruff into backing down and walking away just by knowing what rules to stand on. We see Charity finish off an attacking gruff with a nail gun.
Knowledge is your spear and your shield in this setting.
There's a balance to be struck, because too much is dangerous, but thats the way it is.
They can be bland milquetoast and it wouldnt matter.
As long as they are personally connected to Maria, they are interesting to the supernatural.
Bianca St Claire didnt target Susan Rodriguez because of some unique quality she had, she did so because she could be used to hurt Dresden. Mavra didnt target Murphy out of a grudge, she did so to get to Dresden.
And the Red Court didnt target Maggie Dresden because of some overarching threat, it was who she was related to.
This shit matters.
And being forewarned to carry garlic in your car, a holy symbol or a vial of holy water around your neck? A cold iron bracelet?
That shit matters too. Its saved Dresden's bacon more than once.
Seriously, you're arguing about a series where Dresden crippled a Master Blampire with pizza garlic sauce.
What skill precisely do you think they put effort into that mattered against a Red or a White or a Black?
It was knowledge that mattered, not aikido or staffwork or leet gunskills.
Karrin Murphy literally started out tackling a ogre with a nightstick.
She's a five foot tall woman. The ogre outloomed and outmassed Dresden's six foot eight frame.
If Dresden hadnt been there she'd have been et.
Range time doesnt matter.
Teenagers cant own longarms in Chicago and Illnois until they're 18, and even then they require parental permission until they are 21. They cant own handguns before 21. They cant get a concealed carry license before 21.
Their primary need is knowledge, not heavy metal.
And a good pair of running shoes.
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Oil burns.
1)Rather doubt that was the only reason.
Factions like the Red Court or Kemmler's disciples would happily burn thousands of lives and cut deals with infernal powers to deal with a death curse if it gave them an undead Dragon. Cheap at the price; the Reds are using Outsiders and chemical WMDs after all.
So the fact that they didnt touch it in two decades says Interesting Things abiut what they think the consequences would be.
2) Great Dragons are not a faction per se, but they do have a certain regard for each other.
They used to be mystical pillars of this cosmology. The most powerful living Dragon is a peer of Mab. Digging up the body of a dead Dragon for a weapon sounds like the sort of thing to get an unpleasant reaction.
Consider precisely what the reaction would be if we chose to find and exhume Titania's dead daughter Aurora in order to use her as a zombie. After all, she was Fae, not legally human, and we didnt even kill her. Given her power in life, she'd make for a superlatively powerul zombie. Or hell, look for the body of Mab and Titania's predecessors.
Consider how that would go down.
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I fully admit to initially advocating raiding Siriothrax's death site.
And I still think its permissible to raid his hoard.
But on consideration, I think we should leave the bodies alone. Ethical and pragmatic reasons.
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Depending on the cultural mores, Michael/Charity and their heirs could be fully entailed to everything Sirothax had, including his body. We would need to research more, but it's perfectly possible that Dragons don't hold to the sanctity of physical remains, or consider that by defeating him, Michael now has full rights to do whatever he wants. It's so etching to investigate.
I mean, we know that neither Michael, nor Charity faced any revenge for this, nor have Dragons as enemies background (the latter one is, admittedly, speculation).
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As to Kemmlerites and Red Court - in part it could be that it would be hard / impossible to raise a Dragon by means of mortal(ish) Sorcery. In part, it could be hard to find and access their hoard. In part, it could be fear of retaliation.
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Winning Vote
Arc 5 Post 10: The Alchemy of Understanding
The Alchemy of Understanding
1st of September 2006 A.D.
For a moment, you hesitate - a desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. OK, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unoccupied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
It's a good thing that you have that meeting to look forward to. Ms Sanderson your new English teacher is obviously a firm believer in the 'babysitter with a clipboard' school of education so much so that you struggle not to quote one of the less known Edgar Alan Poe quotes at her: "If you wish to forget anything on the spot, make a note that this thing is to be remembered."Granted he had died a raving alcoholic, but that does not mean the man did not have some great insights into the human condition.
Actually that gives you an idea...
As Lakeview secrets go the first floor chem lab with the window that does not close properly is among the most pedestrian. 'Someone should fix that thing', you must have heard it as dozen times said between the staff in corridors and to be fair it had been fixed, but it never seemed to stick. The fact that no one had burned down the school or tried to cook drugs in there restores something of the faith in your peers, the worst that happens in there are kids breaking in after hours on a dare and a few locally sourced pranks of varying levels of quality and good taste.
So when you claim you have something to show your friends in there they are confused, but also kind of intrigued, Izzy more than Alec, but that's because Alec does not do 'intrigued', he liked to stay above the fray of cliques and backbiting that is the legacy of the High School experience.
Can't get excluded if you never asked to join is his philosophy, which would be a lot more sad if he was not so cheekily up front about it. Well you are about to invite them to a really exclusive club.
As you close the door and pull the blinds you speak softly like the narrator of a play as the curtain rises: "A famous poet once said believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see... so watch closely."
Light explodes outwards from you, a thousand embers burning green, a thousand eyes reflected and refracted in beakers and in vials as with a thought you rise from the floor to hover about a foot above the ground.
"So.... found out you crashed into earth in a pod?" Alec asks. "Your folks are the sort who would adopt an alien baby."
"Alec," Izzy elbows him. "Not cool."
"Nah, he's right mom and dad are totally the sort who would raise Superman, or Supergirl I guess, but I'm more like Thor."
"A petty godling fit only for goatherds, thou are mightier by far than he Empress of the Nights that are to Come." Usum scoffs, but by now you are used to his compliments
"If Thor had found his hammer by accident after being taken prisoner by evil fairies," you finish.
"Splattercon... something happened around then didn't it? When we could not get ahold of you at all for days, not even a text," Alec is quick to catch on.
"Those were real monsters weren't they?" Izzy 's tone makes it clear that she would really really rather you said 'no'.
Alas that you cannot. Instead you nod and offer with a smile: "The world is a lot more like Buffy than Marvel unfortunately..."
"Like vampires..." Alec starts to catch on, looking rather pale himself.
"Late season Buffy," you emphasize. "But this is not Sunnydale where half the people at the local bar are vampires. It's like... most people never really interact with the spooky side of things, there aren't that many vampires, at least not the Dracula kind out there, mostly because of Dracula the book. Turns out if you reveal their weaknesses to the world the pitchforks come out."
"Wait a second, there are vampires and fairies and God knows what else right? Are there wizards?" Alec asks and you can guess from the gleam in his eyes where this is going.
"Yes Harry Dresden is a wizard while being in the phonebook under wizard." Izzy had been the one to find that out, but she had not been subtle about it, at least not around Alec.
"How are they keeping this a secret..." he motions around at your anima.
"Mostly by not doing this," you admit. "Part of it is conspiracies, part of it is willful ignorance, but also even the worst things out there don't want a SWAT team called on them, they may be scary to ordinary people as individuals, but we are scary to them as a group."
To your relief neither of your friends challenges the implicit kinship of that 'we'. Instead it's Izzy who asks: "So if you are Thor where's Mjölnir."
Hissing with deadly green flame you draw the sword from your heart into silence so complete you can hear their breath catch.
Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 10/12
"That is way more metal than Thor," Izzy finally manages to get out. Usum does not speak then but you can hear his approval, as a viper might purr, curled up in the sun.
After that you get down to the details, as much of them as you can cram into the next hour and a half before they have to go home: what the major factions are in Chicago and across the world, how to recognize a vampire, a fomori, a ghoul or a ghost, why thresholds are important and how to issue non-invitations if they are not sure about something. You give them both Father Forthil's number as Harry's in case they need help when they cannot get ahold of you... and then you start talking about your summer.
"You know..." Izzy starts as you get to the part where you had made a submarine to dive under Lake Erie in search of evil fish people. "Maybe you should start taking that advice about not looking for trouble."
"Then trouble would just find me..." And if you two stick around it might just find you two. The words unspoken hang in the air like a cloud.
"So like always then," Alec asks lazily, tossing a paper ball into the trash. "Three points."
It's hard to miss the tenseness in his shoulders, or the way Izzy's hands are folded tight in her lap, but they are doing their best not to show it. They aren't going anywhere.
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As the Beige Wagon drives you home you go over the question and answer session at the school again and again in your mind, thinking of what else you could have told them, what other contingencies you could have put in place. You have some thoughts and some texts fly from Clippy, but the deeper you go the more you come up against questions even you do not know the answers to, loose threads of the last few months. Who had that sniper outside of Harry's been? Who had killed Green and who had beaten him up a few days before? What did Laura Raith want with Black Rider, with Katrina's old car? Who, or what had been worrying Helen?
You cannot find out everything about everyone, but with a bit of focus and the right question you can always find out something...
[] Write in Crown questions for this turn
OOC: Welp, things went pretty good with the revelation.
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I know it doesn't really matter, but if our Anima is already burning we can activate the By Rage Recast features without further Essence-spending.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Molly, going all in:
"I know this is a lot to take in, but I may as well get this out of the way too: By the power of a sincere heart, Shintai form activate!
I'm not just later season Buffyverse Thor. I'm later season Buffyverse Magical Girl Thor."
"I know this is a lot to take in, but I may as well get this out of the way too: By the power of a sincere heart, Shintai form activate!
I'm not just later season Buffyverse Thor. I'm later season Buffyverse Magical Girl Thor."
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To be fair, we are kinda closer to Love and Thunder Jane-Thor.
Her package includes a full transformation and free armor.
Flammability is a potential issue, but the whole point of what I was talking about was modifying it to contain small amounts of liquid without leaking. Though we might just want to make a new body stocking instead.
Generally I wouldn't consider the risks of olive oil igniting to be very high, though it could happen. So what about some fire retardant gel? It's a thicker substance, but it's still closer to being a liquid than anything else.
There are plenty of other options as well; I don't think this is even half as hard as you're portraying it to be.
My point is that random supernatural violence against scrubs happens when it's convenient. A soccer mom going to the same hair stylist as a white vampire, homeless guy setting up in ghoul territory, kids going into a haunted house on a dare, stuff like that.
any violence against them will almost certainly be deliberately targeted to get at Molly, and there is nothing any amount of knowledge will do to save them in the near term.
What are you talking about? Just the skills alone weren't enough, but with just the knowledge only creatures that have significant and easily exploited built in weaknesses can be protected against this way.
Knowing fey are allergic to iron does nothing if you are incapable of tagging them with it.
Knowledge isn't power, it's leverage. What we repeatedly see Murphy do in the series is work exceptionally hard to get as good as she can at as many things as she can, and then apply that through the leverage of what she's learned.
You couldn't take some random asshole, tell him vampires don't like fire, give him dragon's breath rounds for his shotgun, and expect results anything like what Murphy gets.
The primary reason for this being that the enemy gets a say too, and they know their weaknesses as well or better than anyone else.
It's not always avoidable, but a good part of that comes from the people involved being good enough to limit their immediate options.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Not to be left out of the conversation, and accompanied by a familiar tune from your childhood, Clippy suddenly chimes in with, "Fighting monsters by moonlight, winning at life by daylight, always rushing toward the next fight, she is the one named Sailor Nuclear Hell Princess!"
Izzy: "Oh my god! You even have a talking mascot!"
Alec: "And a theme song..."
The rules for burning alive in WoD/Mage are something like, 1-2 lethal damage per round? 3 if the flame is particularly intense?
Molly soaks it perfectly every time.
Unlike regular supernatural gribblie, Molly couldn't care less if somebody tries to set her on fire.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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I'm pretty sure fire deals aggro, not lethal.
Mostly to people who are innately vulnerable to fire, like vamps. Humans soak it as lethal, not that it is of much help because Humans have a horrible time dealing with Lethal damage in WoD.
Exalts soak agg as lethal, btw, so there isn't actually much difference for Molly.
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Only difference is that most armor is not helpful against being on fire.
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I've not been keeping up with the thread so I have no idea what questions we wanted to ask, and what targets we had available - apart from asking one about the guy who fired the bullet at Molly - maybe one that gets us the current* location of his 'non-business' personal computing device/phone?
*or the coordinates (to a range of 10? 50? meters) of where that phone usually is.
Ehhh. Or maybe just his personal details like name and address.
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General question to the thread; are Izzy and Alec friendly with Rose at all? Just curious.
*or the coordinates (to a range of 10? 50? meters) of where that phone usually is.
Ehhh. Or maybe just his personal details like name and address.
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General question to the thread; are Izzy and Alec friendly with Rose at all? Just curious.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Also about half of perfume is oil based. If it was that dangerous I don't think that it would be so popular.
Only organic ones. Silicon oils are generally non-flammable, dielectric, and there are medical ones. And there are silicon oils designed to work at >300 C.
I did, see below the first version. It's incomplete, and I welcome additions. @DragonParadox you probably want to limit the list to X questions, or dismiss at least some of those.
[X]Plan Yog's questions v.1
-[X] Actually concerning questions
--[X] Question: "Where can I find the largest currently undiscovered and unclaimed collection of writing in the same language?" Focus: the photo of the ritual circle in which [Perfected Principle of Consumtpion] was invoked.
--[X] Question: "what was the reason Lara Raith wanted to purchase Black Rider?". Focus: the recordings (such as the receipt we got for paying) from the police auction
--[X] Question: "What was the reason detective Green tried to harass Harry?". Focus: Detective's house
--[X] Question: "Who killed detective Green?". Focus: Detective's tombstone
--[X] Question: "What was the identity of the sniper who tried to shoot Harry?". Focus: The roof from which the shot was made
--[X] Question: "What are all the prophecies featuring the members of my family?" Focus: Carpenter family photo
--[X] Question: "What are the best, most comprehensive *subject* textbooks currently existing?"Focus: each of our school subject textbooks.
-[X] General curiosity questions
--[X] Question: "What's the closest location can I find actual living non-terrestrial sapient aliens?" Focus: SETI website
--[X] Question: "Who was actually behind Kennedy's murder?". Focus: any documentary of Kennedy's murder
--[X] Question: "How did humans actually appear?" Focus: a copy of Darwin's "Origin of the Species"
--[X] Question: "Who, if any, of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer creators were aware of the supernatural?" Focus: Credits of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
--[X] Question: "Which of the USA universities are the most mired in the supernatural?" Focus: an online list of USA universities
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-[X] Actually concerning questions
--[X] Question: "Where can I find the largest currently undiscovered and unclaimed collection of writing in the same language?" Focus: the photo of the ritual circle in which [Perfected Principle of Consumtpion] was invoked.
--[X] Question: "what was the reason Lara Raith wanted to purchase Black Rider?". Focus: the recordings (such as the receipt we got for paying) from the police auction
--[X] Question: "What was the reason detective Green tried to harass Harry?". Focus: Detective's house
--[X] Question: "Who killed detective Green?". Focus: Detective's tombstone
--[X] Question: "What was the identity of the sniper who tried to shoot Harry?". Focus: The roof from which the shot was made
--[X] Question: "What are all the prophecies featuring the members of my family?" Focus: Carpenter family photo
--[X] Question: "What are the best, most comprehensive *subject* textbooks currently existing?"Focus: each of our school subject textbooks.
-[X] General curiosity questions
--[X] Question: "What's the closest location can I find actual living non-terrestrial sapient aliens?" Focus: SETI website
--[X] Question: "Who was actually behind Kennedy's murder?". Focus: any documentary of Kennedy's murder
--[X] Question: "How did humans actually appear?" Focus: a copy of Darwin's "Origin of the Species"
--[X] Question: "Who, if any, of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer creators were aware of the supernatural?" Focus: Credits of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer
--[X] Question: "Which of the USA universities are the most mired in the supernatural?" Focus: an online list of USA universities
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