Interesting, but do they know it?
Almost certainly. Winter knight is one of top 10 positions in Winter Hierarchy, from my understanding, and the highest one a mortal can have while remaining a mortal.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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OctarineShrike
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I checked the wiki, apparently the Washington wielding a sword of the cross was a temporary thing. Knights of the Cross
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If they don't their beyond inept at their job.
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I'll note while long term exposure or active magic is bad you can have a phone around a wizard like Dresden if your careful just don't expect it to last.
fictionfan
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I expect that they have a phone bugget. Also the phone is useful for figuring out what sort of thing we are. If the phone had blown out then they would have thought us a wizard in our own right rather than a user of sponsored magic.
Incidentally whenever I see a phone I feel like putting a cyberdevil in it. Is there any reason we should not do that? Seems like a good way to get their after action report.
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OctarineShrike
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-[x]I'm not sure Investiture is the correct term here. I think it may be more like a merger with myself as the dominant personality, my free will intact etc. We've checked. Throughly.
-[x]I'm not sure Investiture is the correct term here. I think it may be more like a merger with myself as the dominant personality, my free will intact etc. We've checked. Throughly.
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They unlike others likely have someone who could eventually notice it.
fictionfan
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Considering that they didn't spot Molly as possible demon lord on first glance when minor practitioners do I do not have a high opinion of their senses. Cyber Devils have hidden themselves from much better wizards.
Also if they spot it so what? I doubt anything will come of it.
Iny
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[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
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[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
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I said someone not them as in they'd have contacts these people are obviously not practitioners which they likely have contacts for. Like no duh they didn't notice that's not a sign their incompetent that's a sign these specific people don't have said senses.
Edit: it's pretty similar to berating a faes skills in lying being bad.
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[x] Does not matter the ones that made it are so long dead only God remembers them.
It should yes, as far as Molly is able to tell this is the proper name for Sponsored magic, or rather that specific class of it. When you cast a ritual enhanced by a particular outsider that too is sponsored magic, but it is not an investiture, because it does not stick. An investiture is something that is bolted on to a soul, included, but not limited to a mantle. For instance Michael's True Faith is an investiture of sorts in that it is a quality of his soul that resonated with the White God allowing him to work miracles, or for miracles to be worked through him.
This is just a guess (powered by Excellency and ATB) but it seems to Molly that the reason that the Librarians think it is unusual to see someone with an Investiture in a Church is because it does not look to be coming from the White God... which would indicate either knowledge of your powers, or extra-sensory powers of some kind. Both seem likely since you were rather free showing off said powers.
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
Not really? It would greatly depend on charm selection. Sandy girls dodge would be negated, and wormy boy's everything would get hit, but otherwise I don't think so?
fictionfan
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Considering the normal interactions between magic and tech and how so many magic users are tech illiterate I somewhat doubt that carefully scanning all phones for magically bugs is standard procedure.
Really? I didn't think that we did anything obvious this meeting. Or am I misreading how obviously insightful Molly is being? My experience has been that most people expect others to be more insightful about their thoughts then is actually possible. Because what you are thinking about is so obvious to you that others figuring it out is expected.
I think that the technical word for it is "The illusion of transparency".
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Huh... he was? That is odd given that, even aside from the slaves, he was rather political and that would seem to conflict with his mission to the Swords. There is also the fact that the Iroquois called him the Town Burder. Yeah, even if that is a thing in canon it is not in this quest way too much dissonance and moral relativism really does not work to excuse it, not for this.
She does kind of, you know.... tear at the very fabric of magic to feed the ever hungering gears of a god-slaying weapon forged at the dawn of ages. That tends to be quite obvious to most people, not in the details, but there is a reason why the Ordo was so skittish before you usea single Charm
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In fairness this is a supernatural setting the history we know in real life and the history in the setting itself can be different. That and the history people in the setting know vs the actual history. But do what ya want.
Not that you should white wash history or anything a lot of stories we know in the real world which are known in the setting are probably just wrong though.
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-Going to note Hyde is going into placation less than investigation here.
The Library has got to know that the rest of the lesser magical community will notice the same thing(Dresden got arrested publicly for murder of a cop, it certainly made the news. Then the murders happened), and draw the same conclusions.
- Wright called us in as a minor talent.
Hyde thinks we are a minor talent associated with the White Council, possibly a changeling. Von Trier pegged us as an Investiture from the beginning, sight unseen. Huh.
-Going to call out that
On the wizard and fae side of things, they call these things Sponsored Power, or Mantles. The people who call this Investitures are on the WoD side of things, and they use the term in reference to dealings with the Thousand Hells and Infernal Powers.
The fact that a senior Library agent(and make no mistake, Von Trier is Serious Business, since they sent her here after the museum business) calls it an Investiture is what poker players, and spies, would call a Tell.
Combine that with the feel we got off Von Trier of flies. I would not be surprised if someone has been making Bargains.
I wish we had Hellscry Chakra.
-Von Trier is a confirmed supernatural. And I suspect that her appearance of being old does not mean she is frail.
Molly using Olivia as a reference suggests that she has something along the lines of Psychic Invisibility. Or maybe Illusion.
Might not be the only thing either. Watch the cane.
She also talks like someone who remembers the 1950s as an adult, which would put her in the 90s at least.
And she looks old, but not mid-90s or older old.
-Noticing the glossing over the potential for infiltration
Thats a question that was not really answered.
Guess thats what happens when you only roll 1 success.
Molly roll abt Hyde ignorance: 8 successes on 6 dice at DC4. All Things Betray. Legendary
Molly roll to detect Andrea Supernatural Flaw: 4 sux on 5 dice at DC5. All Things Betray. Great
Andrea roll to detect Molly noticing: 3 sux on 6 die at DC6. Great.
Andrea social intro roll: -4 sux on 8 dice at DC7. Wow.
Molly social insight roll: 3 sux on 6 dice at DC4. All Things Betray. Great.
Molly Politics roll: 1 sux on 4 dice at DC6. Eh.
Andrea Perception roll: -1 sux on 5 dice at DC7. Lol
There's an error on the Molly roll to notice Andrea's supernatural flaw; we should have rolled 7 dice(Per 2 + Occult 5), not 5 dice.
No big deal now, but worth noting.
Mostly moderate rolls on Molly's part.
More significant is the fact that the Library agent rolls here were hilariously bad. Like, holy shit the dice hate you bad. 2 botches in three rolls is RNG Jesus hates you territory.
Also worth noting is how much weight All Things Betray is pulling here.
When those arms include the ability to set off supervolcanos and to reenact Tunguska?
Clued in parts of the US govt develop circumspection.
Its worth remembering that in the duration of the Vampire War so far, people with supernatural news sources have seen the Reds deploying chemical weapons in an African city, with the White Council orbital striking a village in Honduras.
And the White Council hasnt gone gloves off yet. People old enough to remember WW2 remember Kemmler.
Even Whampires are a Master/Stranger threat beyond anything any mortal government knows how to handle.
This isnt a hornets nest they want to poke.
Why would they do something so dumb against someone with unknown powers?
As opposed to, say, kidnapping a bunch of friends or family and making threats? When Kattrin wanted to compel Mathew's cooperation, she didnt kidnap him, she kidnapped his grandkid. When the renegade priest wanted the Swords in canon, he didnt attempt to kidnap Dresden, he kidnapped either Alicia or Amanda Carpenter.
See, thats the thing to keep in mid: Even when we can shrug off direct personal consequences, our actions have consequences for other people.
I warned against it then.
I mean, the consequences were mentioned well before we voted for being frank with the Order of the Cauldrob.
We get to live with consequences, as they are
Its impossible to unspeak information that has already been shared. Thats the way of the world.
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No it isnt.
In the supernatural, there are no courts.
Your reputation defines you, and how people feel around you and dealing with you. You can refuse to talk, and be cryptic, but falsehoods and conflicting stories paint you as untrustworthy.
The Fae literally cant lie, but just their reputation for being cryptic and twisty leads to a lot of caution around them.
1)Winter fae can literally be ordered to say nothing by Mab.
The fact that they are free talking about it to Molly, who already knows and was directly involved in the incident, doesnt mean they'll talk to strangers if their boss said not to.
2)I thought this was obvious. Apparently yall dont read The Laundry Files. Or early Cold War US history.
The Library of Congress was established in 1800. They inherited Jefferson's notes in 1826, when he died.
The institution is two hundred and twenty six years old. If they have any supernaturals(guaranteed) there could be active Librarians who remember the original Declaration of Independence.
And if they inherited any money and decent money managers since the Civil War, there's good chance that Special Collections might even be partly self-funding, like the CIA's venture capital arm; they certainly arent going to want to rely on a fluctuating budget for book security, especially if there's serious mojo in some of them.
By contrast, presidents last eight years. Longest serving congressman lasted fifty nine.
They are constantly having to reeducate new sets of people every couple years, and how much they can say depends on their assessment of the politician.
What do you do if the Congressman is an atheist who doesnt believe in the nonmaterial, or a fundamentalist Christian, or a militarist who pushes for militarization against geopolitical enemies, or a nationalist who pushes for aggressive military action against magical powers? What of someone with supernatural connections who would like to use the US against enemies?
The organization has to have loyalties beyond the next politician, especially when they have some idea of just how big the forces they are dealing with are. When you know that Mab or Titania could destroy the United States in an afternoon, that Lucifer and the Yama Kings are real, how they interpret their oath of office is going to be very different from a politician.
And frankly, if they have active members who lived through the anti-communist witchhunts of the 1950s, or even just institutional memories, a certain cynicism towards the antiterrorist witchhunts of post-911 America are warranted.
3)This all goes back to a point I was making earlier:
Dont jump into bed with an institution you just met out of hand without doing due dilligence. Thats the only way to avoid unpleasant surprises that a cursory look would have turned up.
Dont be like Elon Musk.
fictionfan
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I figured that them thinking for an instant that Molly might be a minor talent and not giving any sign of wanting to run meant that they couldn't detect that.
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- Germany
Maybe Hyde can't but von Trier can.
I could do that, but it would require me to write an alternative history for the setting in which Washington was a moral paragon, which would set significant butterflies loose. I do not think that is worth it for George Washington Knight of the Cross. The only reason I can even think of to do that is for the heavy-handed Arthurian comparisons.
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All that just means government has no power even inside their own borders.