Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Maybe tell her not to worry about us and soon about the local chapter of Pathfinder.
She can read the news next week, propably.
I dont think she has any personal knowledge of the Pathfinders, let alone the local chapter.
Note that she's talked about her uncle when she was a kid, and stories told to her since then.
And she isnt in Cleveland.

If there were Pathfinders in Chicago and she knew it, she'd have probably dropped an anonymous tip to Dresden and the Wardens by now.
She was referring us to Dresden as someone more competent. if she is a practitioner of some kind (likely a minor one, given that she can use computers), she can likely at least try to scry for us, and it's quite possible that we are easy to scry for, given the whole exaltation thing.
You are significantly overestimating the power available to minor practitioners, and underestimating the difficulty of remote magical surveillance for people who arent heavyweights.

Minor practitioners do not have the power to scry for people hundreds of miles away, and generally know enough to be cautious about scrying around carelessly. Note Gard warning us about how scrying for powerful targets can be intentionally or unintentionally perilous, with traps for the mind of the unwary.

Or how much precautions were necessary for Dresden to safely Soulgaze Molly.

And no minor practitioner is going to scry in the vicinity of someone who has admitted to being approached by the servants of an Outer God. Thats a good way to see something that will break your mind.
Permanently.
She suffered a personal tragedy by the looks of it, and it, by the looks of it, affected her greatly. I think you underestimate people by a lot, if you think that it would take a saint to try and prevent another one.

At the very least I expect this to phone Harry if not immediately. Do we want to have Dresden running into the middle of this? We at least should warn him that the one she'll be talking about is us.
Not to be rude, but and? Most tragedies are grieved and remembered, they dont instigate personal crusades.

Rose of Autumn hasnt turned her life into a crusade in the aftermath. She approached us privately, she doesnt have a blog page warning about the perils of the Pathfinders. If she wont warn you openly on the public forums, she isnt going to travel three hundred plus miles to put herself in possibly direct harms way.

People who survive navigating the supernatural in the Dresden Files do so by either being very lucky, having serious backing, or having a keen understanding of their capabilities and limitations.

I mean, this is someone who was old enough to be living in Chicago when the Red Court had an operation here and hunted people.
Who is still living here while the White Court is running the strip clubs and porn studios. Who lived through the Darkhallow, when the Heirs of Kemmler were throwing hundreds of undead around and the Erlking led the Wild Hunt through the streets of Chicago.

How do you think they would have survived if not by knowing when to keep their heads down?

As for Harry, he knows we came to Cleveland with Michael.
And the vote literally says send him a message by way of Mouse's burner phone demon with a question about the Pathfinders. Unless we or Michael explicitly ask for him, he'll assume the Fist of God and the Infernal Exalt have this.

At most he'll ask if we need help.
 
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Not to be rude, but and? Most tragedies are grieved and remembered, they dont instigate personal crusades.

Rose of Autumn hasnt turned her life into a crusade in the aftermath. She approached us privately, she doesnt have a blog page warning about the perils of the Pathfinders. If she wont warn you openly on the public forums, she isnt going to travel three hundred plus miles to put herself in possibly direct harms way.
This would not be a crusade. This would be a result of a mortal responding to exalted grade manipulation triggering her into reacting strongly to a stranger.

If a suffered a tragedy, and moved on from it, and then had a similar tragedy or something like it thrust into my face, I'd react strongly.
 
We should probably wrap up and head to sleep. Sleep is important!

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Though it would be quite funny if back when we are in Chicago we run into "Rose of Autumn" and thank her for her help. Just the shear whiplash
 
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This would not be a crusade. This would be a result of a mortal responding to exalted grade manipulation triggering her into reacting strongly to a stranger.If a suffered a tragedy, and moved on from it, and then had a similar tragedy or something like it thrust into my face, I'd react strongly.
If I wont talk to you openly under a pseudonym on the Internet, but resorted to private messages out of fear, Im certainly not travelling six hours for you.

We required Legendary-tier Manipulation in order to get her to be as forthcoming as she was.
That means thats not the default for her.
Im comfortable asserting she is not coming to Cleveland.
 
Still, on some level I'd like to help the girl, she sounded really bad at some points of the chat.

Though I guess the knowledge that something worse is soon going to eat the Pathfinders and possibly their evil god too is not as calming from the perspective of a minor practicioner as it might be from ours.
 
If I wont talk to you openly under a pseudonym on the Internet, but resorted to private messages out of fear, Im certainly not travelling six hours for you.

We required Legendary-tier Manipulation in order to get her to be as forthcoming as she was.
That means thats not the default for her.
Im comfortable asserting she is not coming to Cleveland.
The private messaging could well have been for our benefit.
 
Going by the tone of that convo, I really don't think we are going to get her to do anything without anomalous amount of successes + continues amount of anomalous successes every time things get weird or dangerous.

Really not feeling like trying to push, based on that.

In other news, I looked at the Paths/Linear magic, and some of those "inferior" magic abilities are pretty amazing. Alchemy is absolutely fantastic, for example; both potent and capable of broad spectrum effects. Shame we don't have the Merit for them, but IIRC there was some way to bypass that?

The fact that Infernals are the only splat that gets boni for casting hedgemagic also helps.
 
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So... Why not cards on the table? As in something along the lines of "yeah, ok. You seem to know what you are talking about, and the address you gave is legit, so cards on the table: I am gathering information for Michael Carpenter, as a part of support for his mission from God. If you need verification, call Harry and tell him that Molly sent you".

We could use this person as a focus for the crown, and as a source of more intel. Also, @Prospalz the bargaining with hell earlier talk seems super-relevant now. Because this situation looks like it's using that exact mechanic.
Rule zero of pretty much any effort that has the potential for opposition is information security.

Even independent of trust and level of importance for a particular data point, nothing should be shared with anyone unless they need too know and the risk can reasonably be confirmed to be low.

You never know what little bit of innocuous data can be put together to form a pattern, or tip of the wrong person to the wrong thing.

Obviously there are limits based on practicality and sanity, but not paying at least some attention to it is a real "what's the worst thing that can happen?" moment. Ask that enough and eventually someone will answer.

Not that this particular thing is going to be a huge deal, but putting a name, location, and general purpose of our presence on the internet pressed all of my information security buttons.
 
The private messaging could well have been for our benefit.
*checks again*
You are basically posing as... you of two months ago, clueless and new come to magic talent, seeding your messages with a story about howa bunch of people called 'Pathfinders' had offered to mentor you, but they seemed kind of sketchy. That is when an account named Rose of Autumn sends you a private message
No it wasnt.
We're the one going around calling them sketchy and asking for advice.
Going by the tone of that convo, I really don't think we are going to get her to do anything without anomalous amount of successes + continues amount of anomalous successes every time things get weird or dangerous.

Really not feeling like trying to push, based on that.

In other news, I looked at the Paths/Linear magic, and some of those "inferior" magic abilities are pretty amazing. Alchemy is absolutely fantastic, for example; both potent and capable of broad spectrum effects. Shame we don't have the Merit for them, but IIRC there was some way to bypass that?

The fact that Infernals are the only splat that gets boni for casting hedgemagic also helps.
We do have the ability to learn them.
We're just focused on first building out our core build, then ensuring we have the right tutor.
 
We're just focused on first building out our core build, then ensuring we have the right tutor.
Ah, amazing.

I'm interested in the teleportation ability.
There are a lot of goodies that get *really good* thanks to Infernal ability to do Shenanigans to otherwise prohibitive Difficulty increases. And some stuff that is just good, period. .

Healing includes a low-level ritual that allows to massively decrease the need for sleep; thanks to Infernal charms, it gets good enough to effectively substituting for Nightmare Fugue Vigilance. Very attractive, for seemingly minimal investment.

Various crafting paths seems to be incredibly potent and broad in terms of effects they could accomplish. Mana Manipulation path gets extremely useful, as allows us to stop needing to spend precious Essence on casting baby spells.

With combined effects of Cracked Cell (crafting and rituals primarily), Boiling Sea Mastery (always), and a couple of other difficulty-adjusting charms, some of the paths might get extremely busted. I already see that some spells, potentially, become essentially free.

It is a dense book that seems to have a lot of potential, at the first glance.
 
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Looking at how they operate, is it possible the pathfinders are one of the DF fomor factions instead of a pure outsider plot?

They didn't get big until the reds bit it, but they didn't come out of nowhere either. They had to be in a position to push.
 
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Looking at how they operate, is it possible the pathfinders are one of the DF fomor factions instead of a pure outsider plot?

They didn't get big until the reds bit it, but they didn't come out of nowhere either. They had to be in a position to push.
That would make sense, too.

The Reds showing up here to counter whatever op the Pathways people are running fits the scenario pretty well.
 
At a guess?
Food for a variety of things, fuel for various other things including Hellfire and Soulfire, extra inhabitants of your Hell, or as a basic governing intelligence system for something if you don't/can't use an actual AI for some reason.
Yeah. Based on the other hells the big ticket item is probably fuel for stuff, since they're optimized for extracting things from souls instead of reshaping them into other things.

Not that Molly would, but I'm curious how that would work with our hell. Would our "eternal torment" of life mean we can collect energy whenever some dies and comes back?

I'm envisioning Molly learning about such a property as a really unpleasant surprise sometime early on.

——

Molly, three hours into the paperwork backlog from a thousand years that never happened: " This stuff was giving me a headache just existing, never mind reading it. Jeeves, does this place have anything cold to drink?"

'Jeeves' the demon butler: "A moment mistress"



Molly, drinking the twice distilled spiritual anguish of those who've frozen to death: " This stuff is amazing, what's even in it?"

——
:V


All that aside, the reaction of the mortal world to realizing that they're the cosmos' crude oil supply will be … interesting.
 
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Looking at how they operate, is it possible the pathfinders are one of the DF fomor factions instead of a pure outsider plot?
They didn't get big until the reds bit it, but they didn't come out of nowhere either. They had to be in a position to push.
Its possible.

Most of the fomor's surface operatives in canon were mutated humans, with fomori sorcerers in command. And it might be that prior to the chaos of the end of the Vampire War, they are recruiting people by seduction and trickery, instead of simply kidnapping them off the street like they were by the time of Aftermath and Ghost Story in canon.

It would even segue into the Dresdenverse cosmology given that Ethniu, who we know is the Fomori patron, is supposed to be a Titan, from before the time of the current gods.

Also is in character that the Red Court, who is known to cooperate with the Fomor and count them as a silent ally in the Vampire War (the fomor supplied the chemical weapon used to kill the hospitalized Wardens and thousands of civilians in central Africa) would also be lowkey looking to cripple them deniably.

And would help explain why they are looking to point us at them instead of doing it themselves.
Chronic backstabbing syndrome at work.
 
Can you share the link to the book?
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M20 Sorcerer

From the seller's page: Magicians and Mentalists The shadows of the World of Darkness have always concealed supernatural secrets. Monsters exist and magic is real. Hedge wizards and psychics dwell on the edges of those shadows and of human society, straddling the liminal space between daylight...

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Relevant books.
Paths of Power isnt official, apparently, but its written by one of the authors of M20 Sorcerer, so its pretty damn close.
You can buy or track down a copy.
 
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The paths are generally not worth it, 5 dot which is generally needed to be competitive with charms is 36xp. That near two, 5 dot charms or a lot of lesser ones.
Not quite. It depends, really. If you got an Exalt who could roll 20+ sux on something while adjusting the difficulty by somewhere in the spectrum of -4 to -10, a lot of paths start to get kinda ridiculous. Divination, Fortune and, conditionally, Mana Control get particularly busted. Effects favorably comparable to the Crown and VEE, except they cost 1 willpower and got no limitations on use.

Everything else is somewhat case by case and generally needs a closer look. Conveyance looks great, except Shintai Molly could run at near-mach speeds with Wind-Born stride before she picks up x2 speed running shoes from Alchemy path and group teleportation functionality could be jury-rigged with The Key And The Kingdom (kinda expensive tho.) Conjuration is kind of ehh until you summon a tank on someone's head, or summon headvamp out of his bathtub from kilometers away.

And since DP ruled that Crafting Speed charms apply to Alchemy and Enchanting, those are great value too. Especially given that Holden's crafting system is kind of complicated, involved and demanding asf both in terms of in-game materials and IRL effort.

OFC I dunno how things would change if we actually unlock custom charms.

...And while I don't actually think it is a particularly good investment, if I understand correctly, Hellfire+Hanging spells could be used to produce 100+ Aggravated damage nukes and that is hilarious.
 
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The paths are generally not worth it, 5 dot which is generally needed to be competitive with charms is 36xp. That near two, 5 dot charms or a lot of lesser ones.
Some of them might have utility. I'm not sure what the mechanics for divination are like, but anything that lets us remotely interact with stuff is a potential vector for targeting the crown.

We could be absolute trash and it wouldn't matter as long as we can catch a glimpse.
 
Generally speaking we would be better off getting a group of minor talents and using VEE to buff them with the legendary Magical aptitude merit. On top of other charms we can do to buff people. It is both more XP, and time, efficient. And gets us the ablity to do stuff in all the paths without 300+xp cost
 
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10 sux to know everything about anything that isn't shielded by divination.

Yeah.
Who says the shields are a problem?

If we're good enough to run face first into the wards then the wards just became part of the scene. "What's this ward hiding from me?" or some more carefully phrased question would probably be legitimate uses of the crown.

It'd be wasteful in most cases, but there's something entertaining about the idea of being violently bad a divination and still getting impossible results through cheating.

Just imagine some wizard who knows what they're doing cringing in the background as we barely avoid screwing up something basic, only to learn we just pierced the wards of some minor divine realm in the nevernever.
 
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