Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So a bit of an off topic roleplay: Molly's tattoos are mostly an expression of teenage rebellion against her overly controlling mother. However, do they have any significance to her? And, if so, should we perhaps get a tattoo signifying our Exaltation? Perhaps design one and then use TTC to tattoo ourselves? Or have one of our cyberdevils wield a robotic arm to do it.
The hellfire aura tops any mundane tattoo we could get in my opinion. :V

Maybe we could do something for things Molly considers true victories? Probably individually small ones to save space for future stuff, I don't recall if she liked them enough for something like that though.
 
The hellfire aura tops any mundane tattoo we could get in my opinion. :V

Maybe we could do something for things Molly considers true victories? Probably individually small ones to save space for future stuff, I don't recall if she liked them enough for something like that though.
for the genocide of the red court I'd vote for a tattoo of a cartoonish vampire being crushed under chichen itza. with a little cartoon us standing over the monument in victory pose. :p
 
The hellfire aura tops any mundane tattoo we could get in my opinion. :V

Maybe we could do something for things Molly considers true victories? Probably individually small ones to save space for future stuff, I don't recall if she liked them enough for something like that though.
The hellfire aura, while certainly an expression of our soul, is not a permanent marker. Doing story-significant tattoos could be a thing. And as to the tattoos being mundane... @DragonParadox would tattoo design and making be Craft, Performance, Expression, or Medicine? Would Usum be able to provide some input on the designs? Would that actually be something Molly considers doing IC?
 
OK, looks like we are going to try to look into the Pathfinders with full dice
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 2, 2022 at 6:54 AM, finished with 64 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Look for information about the Pathfinders online
    -[X]Molly + Cyberdevils cooperating. With or without Lydia.
    -[X]STUNT: You look longingly at the door, but your better sense asserts itself. "I think we should probably stay in. Dinner and an early night." You admit grudgingly. "Especially with the Red admitting that they have our vehicle description and license plate on a police watchlist, Dad. "Accidents" " you make air signs in the air "are likelier at night. Especially with the Reds having their hooks in the local PD. Gonna have to look into that." Pulling out your phone and checking for signal strength, you turn to Lydia "Bring a laptop? I have homework, and I could use the help."
    [X] Plan recon and delegation
    -[X] Do some snooping around Soul's Rest itself
    --[X] Pay special attention to whoever else is watching. You know that Red Court is here. Who else is watching?
    -[X] Set your digital assistants to try to figure out just who the Red Courts has their hooks in
    -[X] Have one of your cyberdevils Look for information about the Pathfinders online
    --[X] Are they recruiting? Where do they get their funding from?
    -[X] Now that you know Iku Turso has something to do with all this have your cyberdeviles search the family history of known patients at Soul's Rest and see if any of them are Finnish-Americans or know to have taken Dreamless Sleep back in the fifties
    --[X] Also look if any of the stuff fit those criteria
    -[X] Stunt: You briefly hesitate, glancing around. You can do so much, have so many leads to follow. Then you look at your phone's screen again, and remember - you have minions now. You can delegate. And so you spend next five minutes outlining the tasks to all your summoned devils before moving to go out yourself.
    [X] Sleep, the next stage of your investigation is best done in daytime, all the more so now that you know there are Red Court vampires in the city
 
The hellfire aura, while certainly an expression of our soul, is not a permanent marker. Doing story-significant tattoos could be a thing. And as to the tattoos being mundane... @DragonParadox would tattoo design and making be Craft, Performance, Expression, or Medicine? Would Usum be able to provide some input on the designs? Would that actually be something Molly considers doing IC?

Tattoo design would be expression, actually applying it is Medicine
 
The hellfire aura, while certainly an expression of our soul, is not a permanent marker. Doing story-significant tattoos could be a thing. And as to the tattoos being mundane... @DragonParadox would tattoo design and making be Craft, Performance, Expression, or Medicine? Would Usum be able to provide some input on the designs? Would that actually be something Molly considers doing IC?
On a related note, there are magical tattoos in Exalted even if they're mostly Lunar stuff. That said, I don't think some of the Artifact Tattoos used as armor were strictly Lunar only, and I remember some stuff about dissolving demons in Vitriol to make ink for Infernal versions, but I don't remember if that was homebrew or not.
 
He might actually think that at this point.

But sooner or later he will realise that Molly is extremly unlikely to merely defend the status quo as the Knights usually do.
She will not carry on his work in the next generation, she will change the world in ways that are hard to imagine right now.
I don't think that the knight's see their duty as preserving the status quo. I imagine that Micheal feels his duty is to oppose evil. As long as Molly continues to try to change the world in good ways, I think it's working as intended :)
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 2, 2022 at 6:54 AM, finished with 64 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Look for information about the Pathfinders online
    -[X]Molly + Cyberdevils cooperating. With or without Lydia.
    -[X]STUNT: You look longingly at the door, but your better sense asserts itself. "I think we should probably stay in. Dinner and an early night." You admit grudgingly. "Especially with the Red admitting that they have our vehicle description and license plate on a police watchlist, Dad. "Accidents" " you make air signs in the air "are likelier at night. Especially with the Reds having their hooks in the local PD. Gonna have to look into that." Pulling out your phone and checking for signal strength, you turn to Lydia "Bring a laptop? I have homework, and I could use the help."
    [X] Plan recon and delegation
    -[X] Do some snooping around Soul's Rest itself
    --[X] Pay special attention to whoever else is watching. You know that Red Court is here. Who else is watching?
    -[X] Set your digital assistants to try to figure out just who the Red Courts has their hooks in
    -[X] Have one of your cyberdevils Look for information about the Pathfinders online
    --[X] Are they recruiting? Where do they get their funding from?
    -[X] Now that you know Iku Turso has something to do with all this have your cyberdeviles search the family history of known patients at Soul's Rest and see if any of them are Finnish-Americans or know to have taken Dreamless Sleep back in the fifties
    --[X] Also look if any of the stuff fit those criteria
    -[X] Stunt: You briefly hesitate, glancing around. You can do so much, have so many leads to follow. Then you look at your phone's screen again, and remember - you have minions now. You can delegate. And so you spend next five minutes outlining the tasks to all your summoned devils before moving to go out yourself.
    [X] Sleep, the next stage of your investigation is best done in daytime, all the more so now that you know there are Red Court vampires in the city
 
Arc 3 Post 11: Path's Price
Path's Price

24st of July 2006 A.D.

You look longingly at the door, but your better sense asserts itself. "I think we should probably stay in. Dinner and an early night." You admit grudgingly. "Especially with the Red admitting that they have our vehicle description and license plate on a police watchlist, Dad. "Accidents" " you make air quotes, "are likelier at night. Especially with the Reds having their hooks in the local PD. Gonna have to look into that." Pulling out your phone and checking for signal strength, you turn to Lydia "Bring a laptop? I have homework, and I could use the help."

Lydia just kind of looks at you funny. "You have homework? Can't you just...?" she sort of wiggles her fingers in a vaguely magic-y way.

"No... wait you can do that? With homework, like math and English and physics? Frictionless ball attached to an ideal spring and all that nonsense?" At her slightly sheepish nod you cannot help yourself. "That is so unfair. I mean I get a little help sometimes, but it is as likely to be mussing on how to weaponize magnets as it is to be actual help with how to solve the exercise."

"I feel like I should be objecting to something about now, but I am not sure what," dad says, not doing a very good job of hiding a smile.

"There is no rule that says you can't use magic to make yourself better at studying, especially if the magic is a part of you. Now if you asked some external being to help you out that could arguably be considered cheating," you point out.

"Not sure if anyone could enforce that one either," Lydia gets into the spirit of things. "You would have to ban prayer as cheating."

With that very weird, but not inaccurate thought you make your way to dinner. The Blue Lotus Hotel is in an upscale enough suburb that your tattoos and Lydia's fashion draw a trail of breathy whispers. For the most part you ignore it, you are used to it by now, though you catch one elderly lady say something about 'some people letting their children run wild' which just gets under your skin as an insult to dad. Fortunately for her dad knows you well enough to ask loudly when you would like to order, cutting off plans for making her eat her words instead of the seafood platter she had ordered.

On the plus side the lasagna is good and the ice cream after it is great, chocolate as usual, unlike Lydia who... "What is that?" you ask looking at the multicolored melange in her cup.

"Watermelon pistachio mint and lemon," she replies mixing a sliver of each of them in one spoonful "Best combo I found so far but I am still looking,"

You shake your head. "Hey if you want to perform self-experimentation can't stop you. I'll just stick to what works."

"It's ice cream not Kantian idealism," she counters and you pretend to know what that is.

As the two of you go up to your room it turns out that Lydia does have a laptop on her... though from the weight of it you would guess Arawn acquired it at some point in the mid nineties. Not that you end up needing the thing in the end. Vast swaths of data trawled from the depths of the internet are quickly sorted and sifted. You are not looking for a car, or an RPG zine, though admittedly that one looks kind of cool. Private chatrooms filled with people with a lot more interest in the occult than actual understanding of it are opened and closed over the span of a few hours. What cracks it in the end is looking into an old list of sites that may be associated with the Chicago area supernatural.

You are basically posing as... you of two months ago, clueless and new come to magic talent, seeding your messages with a story about howa bunch of people called 'Pathfinders' had offered to mentor you, but they seemed kind of sketchy. That is when an account named Rose of Autumn sends you a private message

Rose of Autumn: /Listen to your gut, don't take anything they offer you and break contact right now. What they are selling you don't want. No one wants it, no one in their right mind at least./

Seeker of Secrets: /What do you mean?/

Rose of Autumn: /You wouldn't believe me if I told you kid./

Seeker of Secrets: /You would be surprised what I'd believe/;)

Rose of Autumn: /Then you would never sleep a full night in your life. Just listen to me, get away from them. Whatever they are promising, whatever they've shown you, it's all lies and their masters are not what you think they are./

There's a pause, but as you are about to type out your next response hers pops up. It is clear she is getting more nervous the more she writes.

Rose of Autumn: /I can tell you're young and you're looking for asnwers, but you are not going to find the ones you're looking for. The world isn't a friendly place. It's not Disney, it's the Brothers Grim. One man's dream can be another man's nightmare and the Pathfinders have been making these kinds of nightmares before either of us were born, if my teacher had the right of it before the US was a around, back in the Old Country./

You feel a little guilty for goading her, but it's for a good cause. From the corner of your eye you see slender shadows move across the wall, the motions of your fingers twisting until they look like spiders dancing on unseen threads. The words are yours and they are not, an insight whispered from afar.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 11/12

Seeker of Secrets: /The Old Country? What is this a musical with cartoon mice? I'll be sure to watch out for any creepy cats pretending to be my friends./:D

There's a long pause after that, so long in fact that you are starting to worry she had gotten tired of speaking to you, but what follows next is a wall of text.

Rose of Autumn: /You want answers? You want power? Well then you are in luck they have both, all it is going to cost you is the love of your family, your friends, everyone and everything you have ever cared about, cut right out of your soul. But don't worry, that is a bonus really, once you can't feel anything you won't be sorry when you cut them and bleed them and torture them so that their agony can feed the things that lives behind the curtain, the things that have been here before our slope-forehead caveman ancestors tamed fire. GET OUT!/

Now you feel a lot guilty, you had freaked this lady right out, but if you don't press now it will have all been for nothing.

Seeker of Secrets: /OK, OK, I get it. Listen can you tell me how they hurt you? I have been feeling weird lately/

Rose of Autumn: /They do not take what you do not give, they are like evil genies or like the Devil the Christians would call it, I don't like to use that framework, but it is appropriate for this. It starts out like self help or at least it did the last time I heard about them, cut out your fear of spiders and gain an aptitude for music maybe, something useful, something small. Then they will ask for more and more of your dreams, good and bad and in exchange they can hand out all sorts of things, things you think you want: power, wealth, beauty, revenge, the one thing they never cut out is the desire for more. As you become less you, less human they are going to start asking for proof of loyalty, to isolate you further. That is where hurting people, killing people comes in, the last tethers broken. And then you will be one of them, looking to feed the things that made them. I /

The message cuts off. Maybe she had hit send accidentally. Regardless you rush to apologize for upsetting her, but she is not done. She does not acknowledge the apology, maybe she does not even see it as she keeps typing faster and faster.

Rose of Autumn: /I've seen this happen to someone, I was a little girl back then, but I could see it I could see my uncle pulling away, he was always strange, but goofy, but then he got cold and scary. My mother later told me that the thing he was trying to sacrifice was my trust. I barely got away. I was lucky. You don't want to turn into those one of them. PLEASE./

Seeker of Secrets: /I'm not going to cut up my soul with magic, promise./ You pause a moment to let her take in the message then add. /But if they take me backing out badly what powers do they have? What should I look out for?/

Rose of Autumn: /They are stronger, faster, more perceptive, that sort of thing but as they become more like the things they serve they get marks, mutations, fingers that grow long and grasping but harder than iron, eyes in the middle of their forehead that can see when you're lying, pheromones that can enslave animals to them, poison breath, poison touch, spring-knees that let them jump far after you./

Seeker of Secrets: /That sounds wild.I'm not saying you're lying, but I haven't seen any of this, maybe the... people I know aren't as far gone./

Rose of Autumn: /They can hide it under a glamor like the fey, maybe the things they serve are a kind of mad fey from a season no one knows../ She cuts off again then: /Look I can't explain all this, I don't know all of it myself. You are going to need sanctuary. I normally wouldn't be sending someone as young as you to them, but if you say you haven't done anything go to Harry Dresden. He's a Warden of the White Council, sort of like the wizard cops only they are even less accountable than the real ones. Still a corrupt cop is better than the soul-flaying serial killers./

She types out Harry's address much to your bemusement.

What do you do next?

[] Try to get more information out of your new contact
-[] Write in how

[] Close up for the night
-[] Write in suggestions for what to do tomorrow (Optional)

[] Write in


OOC: I hope the format for the online chatting works for this longer form.
 
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How does this scale? I mean, let's assume that we buy a server farm and populate it with a hundred cyberdevils, as compared to the two or three we have idling around now (Clippy, the one in Mouse's phone when not otherwise occupied, Black Rider, the one in the van). Would they still only have 5 dice when working on the problem all together, or would we be able to split them in order for them to do multiple tasks in parallel? LIke, twenty five going through material research papers to collate the information and design us the best possible armor, twenty five hacking the FBI, twenty five playing the stock market and twenty five setting up and administering Paranet? Or would this be represented by us obtaining additional background dots using in-game effort, rather than xp?
1)Wright's phone. Beige Wagon. Clippy in Molly's phone. Bunny in Mouse's phone.Black Rider. Le Blanc's phone. The hotel network.
Thats seven I can count off the top of my head.

2)There's a server center with secure data backups in Harry's office building.
Owned by a legal company thats owned by a multinational thats owned by a shell company owned by the Red Court.
We see it in Changes.
If you get a dedicated server farm that would give you more dice to throw at the problem, but never above the dice cap on the front page for any single action. The more resources you put into this the more simultaneous hacking you get to do both in turn wide actions and during missions like this one.
Hmm. So just infiltrate someone else's server farm and start putting cyberdevils on the equipment as a time share.
There's that Red Court owned secure data backup in Dresden's office building.
Seems like an obvious target for this sort of thing once we get some

We first get multicore consumer CPUs in 2006.
I assume Molly can probably rebuild a couple laptops or junked servers hard for interim use until November.
Then populate a couple server racks in her house with blade servers.
So a bit of an off topic roleplay: Molly's tattoos are mostly an expression of teenage rebellion against her overly controlling mother. However, do they have any significance to her? And, if so, should we perhaps get a tattoo signifying our Exaltation? Perhaps design one and then use TTC to tattoo ourselves? Or have one of our cyberdevils wield a robotic arm to do it.
Canonically?
She seemed to acquire all of them, and her piercings, in the four month period after she initially left home.
As in, Michael first saw them in Proven Guilty, when Harry brought her home the first time after bailing her ex out.

As far as we can tell, they have no especial personal significance to her.
And in the two PoV stories I recall for her, there is no indication of her thinking of them or adding to them, whether as a mortal wizard or as the Winter Lady.

You should be thinking more along the lines of her considering if she wants to remove some of them, not add.
She certainly stopped wearing piercings in most of her piercings.
On a related note, there are magical tattoos in Exalted even if they're mostly Lunar stuff. That said, I don't think some of the Artifact Tattoos used as armor were strictly Lunar only, and I remember some stuff about dissolving demons in Vitriol to make ink for Infernal versions, but I don't remember if that was homebrew or not.
An Infernal version of the Lunar tattoos is conceptually possible for armor effects and low-level artifacts.
Demon tattoos are a thing in Exalted 2E, up to 3 dots.Kinda broken though.
M20 have a version of the demon tattoos, but I dont recall if its possible with Sorcery Paths.

I don't think that the knight's see their duty as preserving the status quo. I imagine that Micheal feels his duty is to oppose evil. As long as Molly continues to try to change the world in good ways, I think it's working as intended :)
^^^
Oppose evil. Defend human Free Will.
If the White God wanted to preserve the status quo as a primary objective, he wouldnt use humans for it.


Fan reference for character heights

Thomas is six feet. Lara is five eight. Michael is six feet six or seven. Sanya is an inch shorter.

Dresden is six foot nine. Murphy is five foot one.Visual representation:

Dresden vs Murphy said:
Which explains why Harry gets away with talking smack so much without consequences.
Dude is BIG.
A little lanky, but you dont get that tall without packing a lot of mass.
 
So... Why not cards on the table? As in something along the lines of "yeah, ok. You seem to know what you are talking about, and the address you gave is legit, so cards on the table: I am gathering information for Michael Carpenter, as a part of support for his mission from God. If you need verification, call Harry and tell him that Molly sent you".

We could use this person as a focus for the crown, and as a source of more intel. Also, @Prospalz the bargaining with hell earlier talk seems super-relevant now. Because this situation looks like it's using that exact mechanic.
 
I don't think that the knight's see their duty as preserving the status quo. I imagine that Micheal feels his duty is to oppose evil. As long as Molly continues to try to change the world in good ways, I think it's working as intended :)
I mostly agree that they don't see it that way, but it's what they end up doing.
They shut down supernatural horrors that go beyond the boundaries of regular predatory behavior and they fight the Fallen for two milennia without actually permanently defeating them.

That is in the end maintaining the status quo.
Or maybe their actions cause incremental improvements due to the divine foresight behind their mission.

Either way, a returning Exalted coming into their full power will not keep thag up but eventually change the world in obvious ways.
 
Hmm. Nice.
OOC: I hope the format for the online chatting works for this longer form.
Its fine.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Can the Cyberdevils tell us if this lady/dude is in the Cleveland area? That kinda determines what we are doing tomorrow.
If she's in the Cleveland area, that opens some options. If she isnt, that opens others.
All they have to do is get her IP address, assuming she isnt using a VPN.
 
Hmm. Nice.
Its fine.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Can the Cyberdevils tell us if this lady/dude is in the Cleveland area? That kinda determines what we are doing tomorrow.
If she's in the Cleveland area, that opens some options. If she isnt, that opens others.
All they have to do is get her IP address, assuming she isnt using a VPN.

They can tell, she is back in Chicago, also her profile said she was a woman, Molly did not just assume.
 
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So... Why not cards on the table? As in something along the lines of "yeah, ok. You seem to know what you are talking about, and the address you gave is legit, so cards on the table: I am gathering information for Michael Carpenter, as a part of support for his mission from God. If you need verification, call Harry and tell him that Molly sent you".

We could use this person as a focus for the crown, and as a source of more intel. Also, @Prospalz the bargaining with hell earlier talk seems super-relevant now. Because this situation looks like it's using that exact mechanic.
1)Because we are probably going to need to 187 some people, and the fewer people who can connect us or Michael to a set of apparent homicides, the better. Gives Uriel and his department less work.

2)We can use them as a focus for Crown of Eyes.
We could probably HMP their computer right now if we wanted to be rude, even. But its always better to get cooperation.
They can tell, she is back in Chicago, also her profile said she was a woman, Mollyd did not just assume.
Ah.
Might as well ask if she knows anyone we can meet in the Cleveland area.
She talks like someone with strong/recent European ancestry.
 
It's kinda funny that Rose of Autumn would point us to Harry, but that doesn't seem like bad advice. We could give him a call and see if he or Bob have any info on the Pathfinders. Just using what Rose shared, he might be able to provide some more answers.
"Watermelon pistachio mint and lemon,"
🤮

Well, that's that, we know Lydia is evil, after all.
 
It's kinda funny that Rose of Autumn would point us to Harry, but that doesn't seem like bad advice. We could give him a call and see if he or Bob have any info on the Pathfinders. Just using what Rose shared, he might be able to provide some more answers.
Problem: Daedalus Group.
Good chance they are tapping his landline phone, warrant or not.
Or, since its post 9/11, so they could just use a National Security Letter. We want to minimize exposure to them.

We could send a demon to demon message through Bunny though, and see if we get a reply by morning.
 
[X] Close up for the night
-[X] Send a message to Harry via Burny, including what we've learned and asking if he can provide additional info. Warn him of the possibility of Daedalus wiretaps and other surveillance, electronic and otherwise, on the off chance that he hasn't already considered it.
-[X] Tomorrow, we'll start off by trying to find surviving locals who participated in the Dreamless Sleep trials, and discover if any of them are currently residents of Soul's Rest.
 
We could use this person as a focus for the crown, and as a source of more intel. Also, @Prospalz the bargaining with hell earlier talk seems super-relevant now. Because this situation looks like it's using that exact mechanic.
ExWoD's devil trading had significantly fewer side-effects, actually. You don't actually loose anything until Hell got enough grip on your soul to turn you into an eternal slave. Very binary kind of affliction, either you are done or you are perfectly fine.

...Anyway, ExWoD Revised is a free book, feel free to download it.
 
So... Why not cards on the table? As in something along the lines of "yeah, ok. You seem to know what you are talking about, and the address you gave is legit, so cards on the table: I am gathering information for Michael Carpenter, as a part of support for his mission from God. If you need verification, call Harry and tell him that Molly sent you".
Sounds like a decent enough plan. I do like the forthrightness.
 
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