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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] Take a close approach, allow him into the decision and planning loop of most of their actions. Keep him close, and maybe, just maybe outright convince him that you're right.
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here

Mr.Kittens said:
The choice is a bit annoying because it'd be useful to have someone more sceptical involved in the planning, who's nonetheless on-board of the main. He would make a pretty good devil's advocate, same as Luo. It'd be a nice way of covering some of our blind spots. At the same time, I don't really care about convicting him we're right.
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Renxiang is default skeptical and as unbiased as we can get
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
Just for fun :V

[X] Take a close approach, allow him into the decision and planning loop of most of their actions. Keep him close, and maybe, just maybe outright convince him that you're right.
 
JohnnieBoy123 said:
In theory we could ally with the MoI here. From the perspective of the welfare of the common people of the empire, Cao Chun and we have a lot in common. Accepting Jin Tae into our confidence would be a big step towards establishing such an alliance.

I don't want that alliance. The MoI want to minimize barbarian and imperial cultural contact by keeping them separate and that seems likely to head into horrifying territory. Keeping an element of distance helps further our cultural project while reducing the influence of what I view as a negative influence.
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Well the idea for the first option is that rather than him being a negative influence, we would be influencing him. Its also possible that by keeping him and thus Cao Chun at arms length, we'd be increasing their dislike of our whole idea...Possibly causing them to actively dislike us if it seems like we're keeping secrets from them or going behind their back.
I will admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. However its true that people like to feel in control and if we are open about our intentions and plans, these two will feel like they have some control over the situation.
Of course we would not actually be giving a modicum of control to them. I don't dislike Jin Tae but Cao Chun already wields a significant amount of power and influence in representing the Imperial faction. But you know what they say. Keep friends your close and your enemies closer.
I'm fine with whichever wins, tbh.
 
[X] Take a close approach, allow him into the decision and planning loop of most of their actions. Keep him close, and maybe, just maybe outright convince him that you're right.
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] Take a close approach, allow him into the decision and planning loop of most of their actions. Keep him close, and maybe, just maybe outright convince him that you're right.
 
[X] Take a close approach, allow him into the decision and planning loop of most of their actions. Keep him close, and maybe, just maybe outright convince him that you're right.
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
The fact that MoI is here at all is already an unusual exercise of Imperial authority into Provincial areas of authority. It would be expected for us to be somewhat uncooperative as nobles are always loath to have their power curbed/split/reduced. The fact we are being open and mostly honest about our intentions has been to our favor. It could be construed as MORE suspicious if we were to apparently try to cozy up to Jin Tai since that would be way more friendly then they were expecting. The Cai may be known in the past to be favorable to the Throne and it's agents but we're currently in oppo to them by friending the Bai and this would be a bit much.

Ling Qi exerting her Ling Qiness all over Jin Tai would be an outside context problem for the MoI and what they don't understand they probably solve by murdering it until it makes sense
 
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[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here

I'm not actually sure that convincing him that we're right is even particularly desirable.
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here

I don't trust state security so much I'd bring them into our planning loop unless they were an old friend, even then I'd be wary.
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here

I don't trust him, none of the reasoning behind his statements so far lead me to think he's convertible. XS hasn't made much visible progress with converting his first nightmare, and while it would be appropriate to challenge his prejudices similarly, it's one more big gamble project in our growing pile of big gamble projects.

(Can must come before should, but where is the line between can't and won't... and have we yet learned much about overcommitting?)
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
[X] You can't be fully sure of Jin Tae's intentions, given his family and work. Keep communication professional and arms length. There is too much to risk here
 
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