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Ever seen a skull blanch?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I think so. In canon we see him go down there after Dresden is already in the middle of working on something but I don't recall if the books explicitly stated the door was closed, I just assumed it was the case.
Gard is in town, a call is worth making since if she cares she's right here.
It's also important to remember that this is only a waste if we're already guaranteed to win without complications, which we aren't.
Showing up and losing would make everything worse.
Kat doesn't have her target yet, and Matthews probably can't just sit down and start cracking at the ritual. My bet is that she'll still need to move around some more.
So we have some options for slowing them down. One would be to give the car standing orders to kill her next time she drives somewhere alone, no matter how obvious the hit would be. Even if she lives that's still a complication.
If she does drive to the ritual site, the other thing we could do is order the car to koolaid man through the wall and wreck their equipment.
Needing to start from scratch would probably slow them down considerably.
Goldfish
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Molly has no body shame, and this is an emergency...
💀: "Yes, an emergency!" *giggity*
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Anyone else have the long term idea of using demons to make car minions? Cause as far as natural defense, speed, and power cars are pretty up there for the cheap cheap price of probably destroying the car and summoning a demon. Maneuverability in a lot of places is very low their far more covert funnily than most other beings we could summon to fight though.
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does anyone have anything to say about the plans? There are very few votes right now.
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[X] uju32
As is calling on Dad.
Getting info from Bob makes sense. We do have some time left according to the prophecy, though we also shouldn't dawdle too much.
I'd be inclined to use a question on locating Cindy, but only after we got the Crew assembled.
I am less interested in getting Gard involved. She'll be far more interested in killing Katrina than saving Cindy.
We also probably should claim w/ info Bob gave us as from Mouse, at least to Dad. Bob isn't our secret to share.
Trusting Forthill to handle Harry is fine.
As is calling on Dad.
Getting info from Bob makes sense. We do have some time left according to the prophecy, though we also shouldn't dawdle too much.
I'd be inclined to use a question on locating Cindy, but only after we got the Crew assembled.
I am less interested in getting Gard involved. She'll be far more interested in killing Katrina than saving Cindy.
We also probably should claim w/ info Bob gave us as from Mouse, at least to Dad. Bob isn't our secret to share.
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do you realize that the majority of people who use this site are in the USA and it is just now about to hit 9:00 am on the east coast?
[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
as much as i would like to trust father forthill to handle getting harry out, i do not think we can really afford him to fail. we need to back him up.
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Getting informatiln while the enemy is already moving is only giving up more initiative.
We have already more info than we need due to HMP and now we paralyse ourselves trying to get more.
I'm pretty sure there's a quote in that direction, that waiting until you have perfect knowledge of the situation means waiting until you have already lost.
We have already more info than we need due to HMP and now we paralyse ourselves trying to get more.
I'm pretty sure there's a quote in that direction, that waiting until you have perfect knowledge of the situation means waiting until you have already lost.
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well yeah I am from the u.s. I'm just up really late.
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I do kind of want to get gard involved I'll note that their not exactly civilian casualty prone so their not that bad even if they'll care more about dealing with them then protecting the girl. Gard is not an idiot and they'll know we do care. More muscle is nice than less especially since she likely has mooks and maybe some possible competitors here we'll have to deal with now.
Edit: they also aren't evil just less modern morals for obvious reasons they don't want civilian casualties even if they want it not to happen less than us.
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That opinion aged poorly.
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nah still most likely an idiot of some kind didn't deserve to die doesn't mean he isn't a tool at best.
Edit: Kinda wondering if we look at a corpse we can ask where their soul went.
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Goldfish
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I really think we should get Gard involved, if only to let her know a fellow Valkyrie might be getting down to some serious necromancy in the city where she lives and works.
Worst case, she thanks us, then quietly packs up Marcone and Hendricks for an impromptu vacation somewhere on the other side of the planet. Best case, a strike team of Einherjar is sent to Chicago through the Ways by Monoc Securities to help us ruin Katrina's day in spectacular fashion.
Worst case, she thanks us, then quietly packs up Marcone and Hendricks for an impromptu vacation somewhere on the other side of the planet. Best case, a strike team of Einherjar is sent to Chicago through the Ways by Monoc Securities to help us ruin Katrina's day in spectacular fashion.
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medium case she comes in herself with maybe a small team as backup. I'll note I'm not sure ujus against us as these all take some time and calling them is still an option after we deal with bobs thing.
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Harry not getting out right now won't be fun, but not an utter failure.
We do have locations we can strike or find them without too much trouble.
With Michael we have some muscle.
I'd still prefer to have Harry along and Forthill will take some time to make that happen. Time we can use to get more information about our opposition.
Calling Gard would also take time. Everything we do takes time.
[X] uju32
Though if you want a more aggressive plan, this'd be fun:
[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
-[X] Text Michael. Tell him you've handed off tape to Forthill. Add heads up, and ask him to get his stuff while you help Forthill.
-[X] Once you are assembled ask your Crown for the location of the girl.
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harry literally can't get out right now this stuff takes time at minimum it'll take several hours of back and forth conversation to get him out most likely a day or two.
1)Mantles only jump that way at Halloween. Whatever they're doing, its not Halloween for three months.
Hence we actually need to know what a Black Feast is, and why what they are trying to do is possible outside Halloween, and how to fuck it up without collateraling a chunk of Chicago.
Because I will point out that when Dresden attempted to disrupt the summoning of the fetches three weeks ago, he ended up turning them loose to attack the Carpenter home.
Magic is tricky.
2)No it doesnt.
Dead Beat had the setup of the attempted ascension ritual take most of the day, and Dresden got an entire day from when the Wardens showed up in the city to the actual final clash. And the ritual only happened at night.
3)No. If Kattrin et al knew how to throw up a proper binding circle for an Elder Ankou-class entity, they wouldnt need Mathews.
Even a completely cooperative Mathews would still need to spend time setting up everything just right; this one is being coerced, so he is going to take his time.
4)Lydia?
Maybe, but unlikely. Kidnapping his daughter would just have given the Ankou early warning to call reinforcements to help secure her, and this is the Elder Ankou, not the only Ankou. You dont want to see what kind of backup he can call on.
Cut the brakes and she switches cars.
Its way more important to us to keep her in the car and be able to track where she is going.
Gimme some time to catch up on the discussion.
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One note Completely agree on most of this except the mantle thing we explicitly don't know a lot about mantles and halloween is special because the barriers between things are thinner and (just paraphrasing there's more stuff) immortality is far more malleable during said time. Its not strictly the only time beings of said level can die or the only way and it was never mentioned mantles can hop like that only on that day its more a side affect from what we saw that the mantle user died thus it had to hop. So what your saying is mostly supposition there. Everything else I agree.
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Immortals can only be killed on Halloween.
Mantles only move when their bearer is killed.
The Summer and Winter Knight mantles can move outside of Halloween.
IDK if the Ankou is big I Immortal.
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Note immortals can only be killed on halloween isn't true its just the one time its a constant.
Edit: Odin can be killed whenever technically just by the fact hes taken on mortality to be able to act. Not that its at all easy to kill him.
Edit2: Though given hes taken on mortality to be able to act far more not sure he counts as immortal at least in this mantle.
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We dont have an arcane focus for him. Not yet.
Unless we do have Lydia's phone number.
Besides, he doesnt know us, and has no reason to listen to us.
Gard is definitely important.
And depending on what Bob tells us about how a Black Feast works, we might need a wizard.
Thats as bad as Butcher's estimate of potential wizard numbers being around 1 in a million.
Which has to be off by at least two orders of magnitude for any of the comments about the White Council being swamped by rising numbers of warlocks and untrained talents to be accurate.
Boiling Sea Mastery's signature effect allows you to adopt shintai for free after 3 combat turns/9 seconds of immobility.
Combine it with Rendered Villain Dispersal, which allows you to disappear into a puddle of liquid.
Hilarity ensues.
1)There is no current indication Nemesis is directly involved here. Necromancers have been trying this stuff for centuries.
2)The granddaughter isnt dead.
A sorcerer with decades of preptime undoubtedly has ways of tracking the wellbeing of a member of his household. And for a sorceress, making an oath on her Power and breaking it will break her as a wizard, and there is no indication that Nemesis gives you protection from that effect, even if it was involved here.
Its a dumb risk for Kattrin to take.
3)No its human to seek victims. Furthermore, you want people to trust you enough to call you in when things get hinky. A good faith effort to recover victims and hostages is reputationally critical. Else noone will talk to you or approach you the next time the Bad Guys are operating a plot if they think you are going to write off their loved ones as collateral.
Critically here, telling Mathews that his grankid is safe removes any need he has to cooperate with the necromancer.
4) If they'd grabbed Lydia, her father would call in a shitton of backup in response.
And he's apparently a big enough Winter Court affiliate for that to matter. Thats's assuming they could, even; Lydia did say she had bodyguards. I dont think they can afford to give him warning of fuckery.
5)The prophecy has a deadline of roughly a week. Thats Monday.
Its currently around 11.30AM/12PM on a Saturday.
We have time to work.
6)Note that Dresden didnt immediately charge Chitchen Itza when he discovered his daughter was missing in Changes.
He spent time doing those things you deride as a waste of time, like research and recruiting allies.
Because responding and failing is just as useless as not responding at all.
We dont get points for unsuccessful attempts, and when lookimg to attack a thousand plus year old necromancer who is mentioned in the same breath as a Denarian, you want all the research and allies you can get.
Haste is not speed.
Point of correction:
They can be bestowed outside of Halloween, by someone with the authority to do so. They dont just jump, at least the Knight ones dont. When the Knights die, the power returns to the Summer/Winter Queens.
It took Aurora's presence and connivance to pull off the events of Summer Knight, in order to hide the Summer Knight's power in a compatible changeling. And she still needed the Stone Table, the solstice and an Unravelling from the Mothers to attempt to transfer it out of the Court system.
For the same sort of symmetry, fucking around with the Ankou would require Maeve.And if Maeve is here, we definitely need backup. But if Maeve was here and helping them, they wouldnt need Mathews. So 🤷♂️
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Yzarc
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I know. That 3 rounds is what I am really against. It costs too much especially since any enemy worth the salt can evaporate the water forcing us out AND cancelling the shintai in the process.
It takes too much set up that can be disrupted to rely on it.
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couple things how is someone on senior council being unable to use combat magic effectively a plot hole? She has guards, she has powers shes not defenseless she made what are basically murder golems in at least some numbers, shes just not good at stuff like fireballs. Magic is not a uniform thing its heavily personalized and literally no two people do the same thing even if affects are consequentially the same.
Also should note for numbers jim butcher said wizards full talents this doesn't include minor talents this is people who would qualify for the council there are far more warlocks out there than that.
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