Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

She's a Valkyrie. She can fly if she really wants to. She's just driving to show off and cause she's lazy.

The annoying thing that's kept me from voting for any plan thus far is that no plan has us ask the Crown about her fighting style/capabilities. We're gonna have to fight her either here or on the road, so it'd be best to get that info ASAP.
Citation? Honest question; Gard is a mean helicopter pilot, but cant fly.
I havent read Peace Talks/Battlegrounds yet, but as far as I know no Valk in those books can fly. At least not unassisted.
Even Odin in his guise as Kringle/Santa doesnt fly unassisted, he uses a flying sleigh.
 
We get backup?

I figured asking the old man was the only way for us to have that back up.

I suppose God could send our dad to help us out.
Or we could call him as we head out, along with calling Gard or whoever. Meet up with them around halfway between Chicago or Menominee or something, and then track her down?
[x] uju32
 
Citation? Honest question; Gard is a mean helicopter pilot, but cant fly.
I havent read Peace Talks/Battlegrounds yet, but as far as I know no Valk in those books can fly. At least not unassisted.
Even Odin in his guise as Kringle/Santa doesnt fly unassisted, he uses a flying sleigh.
The Völundarkviða, Helgakviða Hundingsbana I and II, honestly all mythological works that have Valkyries in them. To the point I'd really question what the point in calling something that couldn't fly a Valkyrie. It'd be like making vampires that don't have to feed on people, beyond artistic interpretation to something that doesn't share anything in common with the inspiration but the name.

edit; I suppose a better question is "is there anywhere in canon Gard would have been better served by flying?" cause flight is so central to the concept of Valkyries it'd take pretty exceptional evidence for me to believe they couldn't.
 
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Vote closed, just the plain vote as stuff like calling Gard comes with potential risks and costs so it's not a stunt.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 1, 2022 at 12:52 AM, finished with 185 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Leave as instructed, if she plans to confront you on some lonely stretch of road you will know precisely where she is and have control of her car
    [X] Try to persuade Matthews to turn the tables in Katrina, you can find Cindy afterwards with the Crown (Charisma+Empath Excelency still in effect)
    -[X] STUNT: You steel yourself, your determination to end the threat, for she was a threat, awakening something within you. You do not fight it even as you take in her position and yours. You assess her appearance and danger even as you feel the Nuclear fire filling your veins, changing you. You smile at her, with a smile that promises violence. It was time to put her down. So you make your plea and give your minion its orders.
    -[X] Regardless what Matthews decides to do, have the car distract her by ramming her throughout the fight distracting her while you transform.
    -[X] Transform into the Shintai Form and go hard on her.
    -[X] Use a Melee Excellency and By Rage Recast but otherwise conserve Essence. See if you can limit the power use to that.
    -[X] Assess the situation and use Green Sun Nimbus Flare as a finishing move or if a good opportunity presents itself in the form of Matthews or the car or any other ally.
    [X] Leave as instructed, if she plans to confront you on some lonely stretch of road you will know precisely where she is and have control of her car
    -[X]After leaving, have Clippy find the kid's Myspace page, then Crown of Eyes to find her, and Google Maps/Google Earth on the location, with particular attention to places that might have security camera coverage
    -[X]Call Michael with the child's name and location; this is in his bailiwick, and getting his input seems relevant
    -[X]Call Gard's number which you have, and ask her if she has a grey eyed sister named Katrina with a sideline in kidnapping children.
 
so can we use ujus plan since its a plan instead of just leaving dragonparadox? This is stuff we'd do anyways afterall now?
 
We'll be able to vote to do stuff like that after this update, anyway. It's not a loss if we do that in another update now that the immediate course of action is decided.
 
The Völundarkviða, Helgakviða Hundingsbana I and II, honestly all mythological works that have Valkyries in them. To the point I'd really question what the point in calling something that couldn't fly a Valkyrie. It'd be like making vampires that don't have to feed on people, beyond artistic interpretation to something that doesn't share anything in common with the inspiration but the name.

edit; I suppose a better question is "is there anywhere in canon Gard would have been better served by flying?" cause flight is so central to the concept of Valkyries it'd take pretty exceptional evidence for me to believe they couldn't.
Classically, yeah, I know that Valkyries are associated with swans in at least some Norse and Old German legends.
And I think I remember their riding flying steeds, though I cant swear to it.
But in the Dresdenverse, as far as we know they cant fly.

And yes, flight would have served Gard very well in Small Favor.
She'd have been able to evac Marcone and Hendricks without a car and avoided the Denarians. She wouldnt have needed a helicopter to go to Demonreach either.

Flight is hella useful; there's a reason Im so gungho about acquiring it as our next Rage Recast.
 
Could easily be that just like how gods are limited in mortal actions valkyries could be limited as well if to a lesser degree.
 
Classically, yeah, I know that Valkyries are associated with swans in at least some Norse and Old German legends.
And I think I remember their riding flying steeds, though I cant swear to it.
But in the Dresdenverse, as far as we know they cant fly.
Everything I've seen shows them with wings of their own.
And yes, flight would have served Gard very well in Small Favor.
She'd have been able to evac Marcone and Hendricks without a car and avoided the Denarians. She wouldnt have needed a helicopter to go to Demonreach either.
The first one might just mean she can't take passengers. Which might be why she took the helicopter too.
 
Everything I've seen shows them with wings of their own.
The first one might just mean she can't take passengers. Which might be why she took the helicopter too.
odysseus its also pretty clear the age where certain beings can act at full power is over. Gods are limited, beings that even serve said gods are often limited, valkyries seem to have some kind of mantle and they too are probably limited in some capacity to be able to act in the mortal world.
 
You know what the worst thing to happen can be?

She won't follow us, but will force Matthews to break at least some of the Laws in order to cement his allegiance to the organization. Like make his other granddaughter forget he exists and leave with her. She'll also detect the car being possessed and just order another car to be sent to her.
EDIT: And to get rid of us, she'll use the same thing they did with Dresden.
 
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You know what the worst thing to happen can be?

She won't follow us, but will force Matthews to break at least some of the Laws in order to cement his allegiance to the organization. Like make his other granddaughter forget he exists and leave with her. She'll also detect the car being possessed and just order another car to be sent to her.
matthews definitely broken laws of magic before just hasn't in a long time hes definitely someone who COULD be brought in by the council. Also mind magics are not usually a solid thing matthews is not touching his granddaughters mind even if at gunpoint good chance he fucks her up forever and its possibly worse than death. Now they might get him to murder some civy.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 1, 2022 at 12:52 AM, finished with 185 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Leave as instructed, if she plans to confront you on some lonely stretch of road you will know precisely where she is and have control of her car
    [X] Try to persuade Matthews to turn the tables in Katrina, you can find Cindy afterwards with the Crown (Charisma+Empath Excelency still in effect)
    -[X] STUNT: You steel yourself, your determination to end the threat, for she was a threat, awakening something within you. You do not fight it even as you take in her position and yours. You assess her appearance and danger even as you feel the Nuclear fire filling your veins, changing you. You smile at her, with a smile that promises violence. It was time to put her down. So you make your plea and give your minion its orders.
    -[X] Regardless what Matthews decides to do, have the car distract her by ramming her throughout the fight distracting her while you transform.
    -[X] Transform into the Shintai Form and go hard on her.
    -[X] Use a Melee Excellency and By Rage Recast but otherwise conserve Essence. See if you can limit the power use to that.
    -[X] Assess the situation and use Green Sun Nimbus Flare as a finishing move or if a good opportunity presents itself in the form of Matthews or the car or any other ally.
    [X] Leave as instructed, if she plans to confront you on some lonely stretch of road you will know precisely where she is and have control of her car
    -[X]After leaving, have Clippy find the kid's Myspace page, then Crown of Eyes to find her, and Google Maps/Google Earth on the location, with particular attention to places that might have security camera coverage
    -[X]Call Michael with the child's name and location; this is in his bailiwick, and getting his input seems relevant
    -[X]Call Gard's number which you have, and ask her if she has a grey eyed sister named Katrina with a sideline in kidnapping children.
 
Arc 2 Post 24: Barbs and Browsing
Barbs and Browsing

22st of July 2006 A.D.

She is never going to be weaker than she is right now, not knowing what you can do, not even knowing that you are an enemy, the thought passes through your mind like fire racing through dry grass. If you could sway Matthews to help that would be two against one and he in the place of his power, a place Katrina was not minded to assault. If I could catch her between hammer and anvil... The thought cuts off with a sudden jolt. Then what? We kill her and have to deal with the body while who knows how many of the locals could place Matthews or you as being the last people to speak to her?

Usum notes that you could try to capture her as you did Gorfel and 'dispose of her' in some more discrete way. Quite apart from the proposal of cold blooded killing which is not exactly something you want to have as plan A that assumes you can safely capture someone like her, someone the bearer of Thorned Namshiel calls an equal.

So slowly, reluctantly you nod not so much for her as for any spirits Matthews may have on you. As you get in your car, hidden by the humming of the engine you say for the benefit of ethereal ears: "Don't worry, I'll help you get her back."

"Keep an eye on Black Rider Clippy," you say as you cross the creek and make the turn onto the freeway.

"Confirmed."

"See if Cindy had a MySpace account or something and pull up a picture..."

A few minutes later the image of a dark haired girl looking maybe four years older than she had in the pictures at the Matthews place, around twelve pops up on screen, just her goofing around with friends. 'Driver's Ed' one picture is captioned and it's her and a friend in bumper cars at a fair.

You feel your desire to stab the people responsible for kidnapping her right into a wall only getting more intense.

By the time you are back in the city Katrina is still on the freeway, she had not tried to overtake you on the road after all. Maybe like you she had chosen to be cautious in the face of an unknown threat. Unsurprisingly Matthews is in the back seat, though they do not talk much about whatever 'agreement' the Thule society had forced on the old man only that the sorceress seems to have made an oath to let the girl go free unharmed in body and mind once Matthews task is done. What that task might be you do not know, only that his safety is not assured.

Then, just as you pull in to the parking lot nearest to Saint Mary's Rider picks up the telltale signs of Katriana fiddling with her phone and while she is distracted Matthews asks. "So then will Capricorpus be joining in the Black Feast you have planned for the Eldest Ankou orto you just plan to use her for bait?"

"A mantle divided is a mantle lessened vitki, not that I expect one of your stature to understand. A pity you were not so curious about these things in your youth else our meeting might have been different," Katrina answers.

"Pity... I find it hard to believe you even know the meaning of the word my lady," the old man replies anger flaring like the last flickers in a cold hearth.

"A waste then," she replies uncaring of the jab.

So they are trying to trap the Ankou Harry had been set to look for by Mab for something called a Black Feast, from context consume his power, but it sounds like they do not have him yet, so why can't Mab find him? Had she deceived Harry in order to get him to help against the Thule Society? On the one hand you do not doubt that Mab could do the 'literally true lies' thing better than almost anyone else but why would she have to? It feels like you have the edges of the puzzle done and are still missing the center. Is this how Harry feels all the time?

What do you do next?

[] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'

[] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters

[] Get your dad, this might not be the business of the Knights but the Sword will shine regardless where there are innocents to be saved

[] Get more information from Bob, maybe he knows who Capricorpus is, that's a new name

[] Search for Cindy with the Crown if you can get her out Katrina loses her leverage on Matthews

[] Write in


OOC: Regardless of what you choose here you will of course give Forthil the tape.
 
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Everything I've seen shows them with wings of their own.
I'll take your word for it.
But nothing I've seen in the Dresdenverse suggests they have wings.
Not even in the big fight in Battlegrounds that I have heard of.

The first one might just mean she can't take passengers. Which might be why she took the helicopter too.
If she could fly, the planning would be very different.
Air cover at 500 feet with nightvision goggles and a Barrett .50 on a dark night, and the tactical situation would look very different that night.

You know what the worst thing to happen can be?

She won't follow us, but will force Matthews to break at least some of the Laws in order to cement his allegiance to the organization. Like make his other granddaughter forget he exists and leave with her. She'll also detect the car being possessed and just order another car to be sent to her.

EDIT: And to get rid of us, she'll use the same thing they did with Dresden.
Why?
Mathews has been left alone for almost forty years, and hasnt been forced into anything
That she's coming to him now means she needs something. Possibly because Gorfels is out of the picture.

Yeah, Dresden.
Who was arrested on Friday, and will be out by Monday. And he doesnt even have Cracked Cell Circumvention in his corner.
As a threat, pulling a Dresden on Molly doesnt really hold many terrors.
 
Can we choose multiple options? If so what would be the con if we do so?

You can choose to do them sequentially sure though, the con is that other people are moving even as you are so it's worth thinking of what you want to do first. Also if you invite more people they will have their own ideas about how to proceed which can be a pro or a con depending on how you see it.
 
[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
[X] Get your dad, this might not be the business of the Knights but the Sword will shine regardless where there are innocents to be saved
 
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