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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
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Interesting.
Mathews might be able to feel the cyberdevil, but Kattrina evidently cant.

Vitki is Old Norse for sorcerer. Interesting use.

Yeah, Mab is pulling a Mab.
Obliquely manipulating everybody to fuck over the necromancers.

Capriocorpus. Yeah, thats a name to conjure by. The sort of name that brings a full White Council response.
For those who havent read the books, she's one of the three Kemmlerites who tried to sacrifice Chicago last year in Dead Beat in order to become a god. Scary as fuck necromancer.

Warden-Captain Luccio stabbed her with a magic sword, and she simply stole Luccio's healthy body and left her in the dying body.
Then Harry shot her dead.
Her ghost is still alive.

I'm leaning towards talking to Bob first, so we know how serious this is in order to call ALL the reinforcements.
 
[X] Ask Black Rider to kill the engine so you win some time
-[X] Search for Cindy with the Crown if you can get her out Katrina loses her leverage on Matthews
-[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters

Best case we can free Cindy first and then ambush Katrin together with Gard and a hostage-free Matthews while she is still stuck with a broken car.
Worst case we can at least free the girl and then we'll have to deal with Katrin after she is already back in Chicago and continuing her plans.

Of course that worst case means a lot more witnesses to the fight than out in the rural areas and propably more mooks on her side. The best chance is gone, let's create the second-best.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
No, events are in motion and we don't have time to take baths.

We can heal and restore Essence either when this is over or not at all.

Edit: I hate that the enemy has the initiative like that, we could have already massivly disrupted all plans.
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I meant for after the battle obviously it'd be good to have on hand for after battle even if we have to find some place to use it.
 
Yzarc said:
[X] Plan Harry and Dad
-[X] Go see Harry along with Father Forthil as he shows the tape to the CPD, if you are going to spring him before Monday it's going to take some fast talking especially since the argument is 'this is weird supernatural stuff you do not want to get mixed into'
-[X] Get your dad, this might not be the business of the Knights but the Sword will shine regardless where there are innocents to be saved
-[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters

So the first thing we REALLY need to do is get Harry out of jail and get him informed. The second is call Molly's father for additional support. Gard is a target of opportunity.

I did not pick Bob as we may not have time to play 20 questions and Harry can fill us in on what is needed and the kid as a fight is going to happen and we REALLY need all the Essence we have and that 1 Essence on the eye may cost us the fight. Even otherwise, we may not have time to save her before the fight anyway. So best keep that option after the fight.
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harry cannot be taken out of jail even once we show the evidence today without literally breaking him out ergo he wont be able to help with the kid or the valkyrie.
 
Artemis1992 said:
After this battle is done we can propably go home?

Forthill is doing his work to free Harry, so we don't have anything else that needs to get done right now, beside the Valkyrie and the hostage.
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its like having potions on you though if only after or before battle potions.

Edit: also there is always the chance we do have things to do after the battle.
 
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[] Get more information from Bob, maybe he knows who Capricorpus is, that's a new name

Call/Talk to Bob.
Capriocorpus was one of the Kemmlerites behind the events of Dead Beat last year, but Molly doesnt know that yet IC.
And as far as Bob knows, she is supposed to be dead.

If she knows what sort of Kemmlerite the Capriocorpus is, and that it is still alive, she has IC justification to yell at everybody.
Everybody.
Gard, her father, the White Council.Even the White Court of vampires dont want Chicago to die while they live in it.

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Also, we dont know what a Black Feast is.
Bob might be able to tell us what it is, and tell us how to disrupt it.
Also, finding out what it is = Secret Knowledge = Essence regen
 
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uju32 said:
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[X] Get more information from Bob, maybe he knows who Capricorpus is, that's a new name

Call/Talk to Bob.
Capriocorpus was one of the Kemmlerites behind the events of Dead Beat last year, but Molly doesnt know that yet IC.
And as far as Bob knows, she is supposed to be dead.

If she knows what sort of Kemmlerite the Capriocorpus is, and that it is still alive, she has IC justification to yell at everybody.
Everybody.
Gard, her father, the White Council.Even the White Court of vampires dont want Chicago to die while they live in it.
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I don't really like how this plan doesn't have us doing things simultaneously we can get our dad gearing himself on the drive too bob.
 
uju32 said:
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[X] Get more information from Bob, maybe he knows who Capricorpus is, that's a new name

Call/Talk to Bob.
Capriocorpus was one of the Kemmlerites behind the events of Dead Beat last year, but Molly doesnt know that yet IC.
And as far as Bob knows, she is supposed to be dead.

If she knows what sort of Kemmlerite the Capriocorpus is, and that it is still alive, she has IC justification to yell at everybody.
Everybody.
Gard, her father, the White Council.Even the White Court of vampires dont want Chicago to die while they live in it.
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If we don't act now, Katrin's plan that she seemingly needed Matthews for will continue unchallenged.
She specifically does not want to involve the Corpsetaker into it, so that one is not the priority.

The way I understand the plan is the following:
1. Elder Ankou is in town to hunt the Capricorpus, because that's his job (She is the one the line with "stolen steeds" refers too.
2. Katrin uses the presence of the Corpsetaker as bait to get to the Elder Ankou and eat him
3. Mab involved Harry because Harry being around these kinds of plans tends to completly unravel them

But since Harry is out for the moment, our best option is to stop Katrin and in consequence there is a realistic chance that the Elder Ankou can deal with Capricorpus by himself, since that is what his mantle and nature is all about and this kind of type-advantage counts for a lot in Dresden Files.
 
Artemis1992 said:
If we don't act now, Katrin's plan that she seemingly needed Matthews for will continue unchallenged.
She specifically does not want to involve the Corpsetaker into it, so that one is not the priority.

The way I understand the plan is the following:
1. Elder Ankou is in town to hunt the Capricorpus, because that's his job (She is the one the line with "stolen steeds" refers too.
2. Katrin uses the presence of the Corpsetaker as bait to get to the Elder Ankou and eat him
3. Mab involved Harry because Harry being around these kinds of plans tends to completly unravel them

But since Harry is out for the moment, our best option is to stop Katrin and in consequence there is a realistic chance that the Elder Ankou can deal with Capricorpus by himself, since that is what his mantle and nature is all about and this kind of type-advantage counts for a lot in Dresden Files.
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I find these reasons compelling, but I doubt it is enough to overcome the threads extreme sense of caution.
 
DragonParadox said:
You can choose to do them sequentially sure though, the con is that other people are moving even as you are so it's worth thinking of what you want to do first. Also if you invite more people they will have their own ideas about how to proceed which can be a pro or a con depending on how you see it.
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QUESTION
Clippy should have had time to go through Black Rider's electronic records of the last month, especially itinerary.
Anything of note? Are there any significant Chicago addresses that pop up? Is Kattrin parking outside FBI buildings and safehouses? Or the homes and offices of local law enforcement? Did Greene ever enter this vehicle?
 
firefrog600 said:
logically can't we call someone and head somewhere at the same time or to get clippy to do it for us?
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Have clippy call someone*

Best secretary. Need to get them some upgrades.

It would be pretty funny if we call that FBI guy to show up. Were supernaturally persuasive right? Tell him to bring harry and a SWAT team. :V
 
[X] Call Gard, ask her if she has a sister with a sideline in kidnapping children and trying to eat retired death gods. You could use some backup even if it is gangsters
 
uju32 said:
QUESTION
Clippy should have had time to go through Black Rider's electronic records of the last month, especially itinerary.
Anything of note? Are there any significant Chicago addresses that pop up? Is Kattrin parking outside FBI buildings and safehouses? Or the homes and offices of local law enforcement? Did Greene ever enter this vehicle?
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She has only been here for a few days and she has not been parking outside of FBI buildings, do have a list of where she parked but since the car was not alive then it's just a long list of GPS coordinates with nothing jumping out at a casual search.
 
Artemis1992 said:
If we don't act now, Katrin's plan that she seemingly needed Matthews for will continue unchallenged.
She specifically does not want to involve the Corpsetaker into it, so that one is not the priority.

The way I understand the plan is the following:
1. Elder Ankou is in town to hunt the Capricorpus, because that's his job (She is the one the line with "stolen steeds" refers too.
2. Katrin uses the presence of the Corpsetaker as bait to get to the Elder Ankou and eat him
3. Mab involved Harry because Harry being around these kinds of plans tends to completly unravel them

But since Harry is out for the moment, our best option is to stop Katrin and in consequence there is a realistic chance that the Elder Ankou can deal with Capricorpus by himself, since that is what his mantle and nature is all about and this kind of type-advantage counts for a lot in Dresden Files.
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Ritual magic takes time, and Mathews isnt inclined to rush.
If he's being called in at the last moment to replace someone who isnt available anymore because of a sad case of mortality, he has to do everything from scratch to be sure of no fuckups.

Remember, this is roughly 11.30 AM on a summer Saturday, because we left Merominee around 9AM.
Dark rituals are invariably after dark, because sunlight and dark magic dont mix, so the earliest is tonight, and frankly more likely to be tomorrow or next so that your expert gets to double and triple check his work.

This is urgent but not immediate.

Besides, do not blunder into a magic ritual with no idea what you're blundering into.
It isnt all that hard to make a bad situation worse.
Call the spirit of knowledge and ask what a Black Feast is. And what it has to do with the Capriocorpus, the Ankou and a spirit binder.
 
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uju32 said:
Ritual magic takes time, and Mathews isnt inclined to rush.
If he's being called in at the last moment to replace someone who isnt available anymore because of a sad case of mortality, he has to do everything from scratch to be sure of no fuckups.

Remember, this is roughly 11.30 AM on a summer Saturday, because we left Merominee around 9AM.
Dark rituals are invariably after dark, because sunlight and dark magic dont mix, so the earliest is tonight, and frankly more likely to be tomorrow or next so that your expert gets to double and triple check his work.

This is urgent but not immediate.

Besides, do not blunder into a magic ritual with no idea what you're blundering into.
It isnt all that hard to make a bad situation worse.
Call the spirit of knowledge and ask what a Black Feast is.
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I have found by long D&D experience that the best way to stop dark rituals is to blunder in and start swinging.
You can deal with the out-of-control energies once everyone trying to direct them to harmful ends is dead.

But jokes aside, the first step they'll have to take is not a ritual in itself, but to catch the Ankou, who is propably still free right now, from what we've heard.
If we prevent that step by hitting Katrin, then there will be no dark ritual in the first place and he can continue his work in tracking down the Capricorpus.
 
uju32 said:
Ritual magic takes time, and Mathews isnt inclined to rush.
If he's being called in at the last moment to replace someone who isnt available anymore because of a sad case of mortality, he has to do everything from scratch to be sure of no fuckups.

Remember, this is roughly 11.30 AM on a summer Saturday, because we left Merominee around 9AM.
Dark rituals are invariably after dark, because sunlight and dark magic dont mix, so the earliest is tonight, and frankly more likely to be tomorrow or next so that your expert gets to double and triple check his work.

This is urgent but not immediate.

Besides, do not blunder into a magic ritual with no idea what you're blundering into.
It isnt all that hard to make a bad situation worse.
Call the spirit of knowledge and ask what a Black Feast is. And what it has to do with the Capriocorpus, the Ankou and a spirit binder.
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It calls on gard for one, and goes to look for the girl first. Which I quite like. Saving innocents and all that.
 
firefrog600 said:
logically can't we call someone and head somewhere at the same time or to get clippy to do it for us?
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Logically we can send text messages even.
But this is a game, not RL.
DragonParadox said:
She has only been here for a few days and she has not been parking outside of FBI buildings, do have a list of where she parked but since the car was not alive then it's just a long list of GPS coordinates with nothing jumping out at a casual search.
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Thank you.
So no apparent FBI links at a cursory glance.
Artemis1992 said:
I have found by long D&D experience that the best way to stop dark rituals is to blunder in and start swinging.
You can deal with the out-of-control energies once everyone trying to direct them to harmful ends is dead.

But jokes aside, the first step they'll have to take is not a ritual in itself, but to catch the Ankou, who is propably still free right now, from what we've heard. If we prevent that step by hitting Katrin, then there will be no dark ritual in the first place and he can continue his work in tracking down the Capricorpus.
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In the Dresdenverse it might foil it. Might.
Or you might just end up being eaten to fuel the ritual you're trying to foil.
Or unleash something terrible with no comstraints on its behavior.

First step they have to take is to set up a containment setup for catching the Ankou, double and triple check it, and make sure that it will hold. Because if it doesnt, they're all dead. That shit takes time to do well. And Old Man Mathews is not Dresden, who held the Erlking in a carefully designed containment circle by sheer force of will.

Only after they have a reliable, safe setup do they even begin to try to bait the Ankou.
You can fit in a thirty minute consultation with Bob just fine.
 
uju32 said:
Logically we can send text messages even.
But this is a game, not RL.

Thank you.
So no apparent FBI links at a cursory glance.
In the Dresdenverse it might foil it. Might.
Or you might just end up being eaten to fuel the ritual you're trying to foil.
Or unleash something terrible with no comstraints on its behavior.

First step they have to take is to set up a containment setup for catching the Ankou, double and triple check it, and make sure that it will hold. Because if it doesnt, they're all dead. That shit takes time to do well. And Old Man Mathews is not Dresden, who held the Erlking in a carefully designed containment circle by sheer force of will.

Only after they have a reliable, safe setup do they even begin to try to bait the Ankou.
You can fit in a thirty minute consultation with Bob just fine.
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I'd like for the plan to at least include clippy telling our dad to get his armor and stuff ready and to meet us somewhere that a kid has been kidnapped.
 
zxzx24 said:
It calls on gard for one, and goes to look for the girl first. Which I quite like. Saving innocents and all that.
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While Gard has met the Capriocorpus' agent(in canon), we have no reason to believe she knows who the Capriocorpus is.
And we dont have any reason to assume Gard knows what a Black Feast is.

Furthermore?
If Molly doesnt understand the seriousness of what she's dealing with, she'll be juggling whether to call her father or call Gard, instead of just calling everybody.

And the last fucking thing you want to do is take ignorant dupes into a fight where there is the ghost of a necromantic bodyjumper good enough to steal the body of the captain of the Wardens.
That could cost us. Badly.
 
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uju32 said:
While Gard has met the Capriocorpus' agent, we have no reason to believe she knows who the Capriocorpus is.
And we dont have any reason to assume Gard knows what a Black Feast is.

Furthermore. if Molly doesnt understand the seriousness of what she's dealing with, she'll be juggling whether to call her father or call Gard, instead of just calling everybody.
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I mean its a fair assumption that max possible back up is better than less at least usually. Its not that big a leap.
Edit: Note I'm not against going for bob.
 
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