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so your saying we can sell parts of our true name to demons.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Working on it.
That option only opens a Infernal-exclusive transport option for the Exalt and trusted friends and minions
If you take Accessible Terrain, everybody gets fast, safe transport options, whether magic or tech.
Mechanically, you're overestimating the difficulty.
It is a Wits + Occult roll against your WP, which for Molly is a 7 dice pool against Difficulty 9.
1 success to go through.
No Essence cost, no limit on how many times you can roll in a minute. Just roll each turn until you succeed.
If Im correct, thats at least 80% chance of success on the first roll.
If she has taken the charm that reduces difficulties when wet, it becomes a Diff 8 roll and probabibility of success goes up.
Regardless, should work within 3 turns or so, which should be less than 30 seconds.
The only bottleneck being that taking people in and out costs 2 Essence per party of up to 20 people.
Not really an issue for a longterm project, since Molly can move 200 people in a day just by devoting around 3 hours to it and recuperating to replenish Essence.
This is a Rule Zero issue, where you'll have to decide what works for the quest.
Fortunately, the charm is only available at E3, so you have time to decide.
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personally I'd like armies even if its limited in some ways if only enough to make us a competitor to factions like the fae, red court, white court, white council, etc etc. I at least hope they can be fielded in the nevernever where most things whose armies we'd want to kill are if we ever wanted to field an army.
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Buy the training charm and start setting up a cult. That is the way to get an army.
You need to get a person's True Name from their own lips; the pronounviation and intonation matters.
Thats why Dresden was able to use parts of his True Name as currency with a demon.
Really powerful entities can apply a partial Name with better facility than others, but thats just the nature of magic.
Additionally, the True Name of mortals changes with life experience, so what was valid a year ago might not be any longer.
And major life experiences are particularly impactful on this.
Like Exaltation.
And its not like its an instawin against others; the names of major powers are dangerous to people who try to use them.
I mean, you could have Mab's True Name. Its not going to help you unless you have the metaphysical weight and preparation to use it. Harry does a brag with putting his full True Name out there at the end of the books, and warns you to conjur with it at your peril.
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Also, I suspect Shaping defenses and UMI defenses will straight up stop any attempt to use Molly's Name cold.
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okay. Fairly sure no one can get our true name since even we don't know it and occult 5 is not enough too. Also not to say anyone can use a powerful beings true name to do much need enough power to do so the white council working together could kill mab if they had their true name thats uhhh well difficult to say the least so it requires a lot of stuff. Not sure anyone could even get our true name much less use it. Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter is at least part of it now though. Also true names changing from year to year might be a bit of an exaggeration its just can shift over time.
I mean, I'm pretty sure there ARE people that could get Molly's true name.
That mention about 'here be dragons' is kind of a hint that not everybody forgot about Exalts, and in 2e there were only 50 that went to the yozis as opposed to the Neverborn. But even then, I think given we know it is still fundamentally Molly in the driver seat, it is likely to be more important how the transformation affected her than it's origins... Though obviously, that will matter.
Even if somebody does grab her True Name against all odds though, Essence 2 and Willpower 9 probably has a lot to say about doing jack squat with it. And the higher her Essence gets, the more it gets like trying to bind Mab where you'd need the ENTIRE White Council, not just Senior Council and Wardens to stand a chance, and then if Mab involves her minions...
That mention about 'here be dragons' is kind of a hint that not everybody forgot about Exalts, and in 2e there were only 50 that went to the yozis as opposed to the Neverborn. But even then, I think given we know it is still fundamentally Molly in the driver seat, it is likely to be more important how the transformation affected her than it's origins... Though obviously, that will matter.
Even if somebody does grab her True Name against all odds though, Essence 2 and Willpower 9 probably has a lot to say about doing jack squat with it. And the higher her Essence gets, the more it gets like trying to bind Mab where you'd need the ENTIRE White Council, not just Senior Council and Wardens to stand a chance, and then if Mab involves her minions...
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Explicitly yes.
A payment of essence and will and a simple willpower roll negates any attempt to do the listed things, which should cover most of what a True Name is good for.
Since Shaping is not a keyword in WoD they were nice enough to fully define it here.
Edit: And since this is a very expensive 5 Dot Charm we can safely assume that the defence is as perfect as promised.
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We have 3 dots in Wits and 5 dots in Occult, so that's 8 dice, which is even better. And we can always buy another dot of Wits if it's still too annoying. By the time we get to buying Essence 3 and 5 dot charms, a fourth dot in an attribute won't be too big of an expense. And it's not like attribute dots aren't useful, we'll eventually want all of them to 5 when we have enough XP.
And about the True Name stuff… I have a feeling that if anyone ever got our full True Name through Intellectus shenanigans or whatever, they'd take one look at the list of titles that is now part of our True Name and immediately go "nope, not poking this." I can only imagine that it's a pretty scary list.
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That said, whoever is targeting Molly can probably just try repeatedly until she runs out of essence, no?
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I mean no it takes shit from them too like this isn't easy shit? also if we can't get the value of a true name with our crown why could others get ours without us telling them? Which we can't since we can't really even with our occult 5.
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Not if Summoning is a spell too and takes willpower, or incurs a chance to Botch.
Also we can allow ourselves to be summoned and then break any hold theymay have. That would allow us to find a permanent solution via swording.
Yeah shaping defenses are the kind of thing that is normally tremendously overkill in this age of the world, they will work on Naming They were designed for a time when the raw Chaos of the Wyld could and did run into creation.
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I'll also note a lot of high tier beings at least those who can somewhat impose themselves in reality like mab, dragons, ethniu while stupidly powerful and definitely far hardier than humans their physical bodies mostly don't hold a candle to their actual powers. Like mab could probably at minimum take a nuke to the face she can be harmed though by comparatively bullshit physical attacks like ethnius. Like sure the minimum to even damage them is some form of hax like a sword of the cross, an artifact, or a missile to the face we can actually do said things though!
Edit: I'm saying durability doesn't scale like dragon ball strength and blasting essentially though its fair too assume there are magic hax involved in gods, godlike beings, etc etc bodies. Also might be immune to mundane death if its not halloween.
Edit: I'm saying durability doesn't scale like dragon ball strength and blasting essentially though its fair too assume there are magic hax involved in gods, godlike beings, etc etc bodies. Also might be immune to mundane death if its not halloween.
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[X] Agree, you can bend the 'no rushing into danger' clause if or realistically when you get there
-[X] I know your always going to worry about me, I know your always going to worry about all of us. Same with dad.
-[X] What could I do to help you with that? I have made armor and a shield to protect myself at least. And I am getting stronger.
-[X] You don't have to answer me now, but please. Think about it.
-[X] I know your always going to worry about me, I know your always going to worry about all of us. Same with dad.
-[X] What could I do to help you with that? I have made armor and a shield to protect myself at least. And I am getting stronger.
-[X] You don't have to answer me now, but please. Think about it.
I kind of doubt it. I mean, I expect getting Molly's true name to be hard but that isn't how they work for mortals.
Your true name is your full name from your own lips. Usually the one you were born to, but if you truly change how you think of yourself it can change. Even if you don't it still shifts as you do.
Molly's name has almost certainly changed with exaltation, but that isn't the same thing as injecting the unfiltered history of her new super weapon into it.
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Suggestion: Maybe change 'humans' to 'mortals' For uh... raisins.
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we might have immortals that want to move on though.
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There will come a point where putting Molly's true name out there for all to see will be less opening oneself to attacks, and more an advertisement to everyone that they may well consider hitching their wagon.
Ah, I do be drunk. Thank you for catching that.
Correction: @Yog "Maybe change to "people"?"
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[X] Agree, you can bend the 'no rushing into danger' clause if or realistically when you get there
[x] Make the point about how wrong it would be not to help someone just because you are not with dad again (Charisma+Empathy)
-[x] Molly sighs, and hugs her mother. "Mom, I'm as much your daughter as Dads. Can you honestly tell me that, if either of you didn't have to worry about any of us kids at that moment, and saw someone in danger, you wouldn't try and help them? That you could ever forgive yourself if you didn't at least try? I'm not saying I'll go out looking for trouble, but if I see something, and I'm the only one who can help at that moment, doesn't that mean I 'should'? Could I ever forgive 'myself' if I didn't try? Please, I'm not saying make a decision now, but just... think about it?"
I want to point out that most of the stunts fit 'this' more than they do the one they're voting for.
-[x] Molly sighs, and hugs her mother. "Mom, I'm as much your daughter as Dads. Can you honestly tell me that, if either of you didn't have to worry about any of us kids at that moment, and saw someone in danger, you wouldn't try and help them? That you could ever forgive yourself if you didn't at least try? I'm not saying I'll go out looking for trouble, but if I see something, and I'm the only one who can help at that moment, doesn't that mean I 'should'? Could I ever forgive 'myself' if I didn't try? Please, I'm not saying make a decision now, but just... think about it?"
I want to point out that most of the stunts fit 'this' more than they do the one they're voting for.
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[X] Agree, you can bend the 'no rushing into danger' clause if or realistically when you get there
-[X] I know your always going to worry about me, I know your always going to worry about all of us. Same with dad.
-[X] What could I do to help you with that? I have made armor and a shield to protect myself at least. And I am getting stronger.
-[X] You don't have to answer me now, but please. Think about it.
-[X] I know your always going to worry about me, I know your always going to worry about all of us. Same with dad.
-[X] What could I do to help you with that? I have made armor and a shield to protect myself at least. And I am getting stronger.
-[X] You don't have to answer me now, but please. Think about it.
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[X] Concordo, você pode dobrar a cláusula "não correr para o perigo" se ou realisticamente quando você chegar lá
-[X] Eu sei que você sempre vai se preocupar comigo, eu sei que você sempre vai se preocupar com todos nós. O mesmo com o pai.
O que eu poderia fazer para ajudá-lo com isso? Fiz uma armadura e um escudo para mim proteger, pelo menos. E estou ficando mais forte.
Você não tem que me responder agora, mas por favor. Pense sobre isso.
-[X] Eu sei que você sempre vai se preocupar comigo, eu sei que você sempre vai se preocupar com todos nós. O mesmo com o pai.
O que eu poderia fazer para ajudá-lo com isso? Fiz uma armadura e um escudo para mim proteger, pelo menos. E estou ficando mais forte.
Você não tem que me responder agora, mas por favor. Pense sobre isso.
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this makes me think there any language based charms or things we can or should get?