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Narratively you cannot throw a stick in a pile of warhammer quests without hitting a multi-racial something. It is just what SV does in Warhammer at the first opportunity. Institutions staffed by sapient spiders are a good bit more unique.
The multi racial part actually appeals to me more than the spiders.

I mean, can't we just tell Dragomas that we found a way to make more orbs and show just him. Why on earth would he say no to a way to make more of them? They seem very useful. He'd be an idiot to say no
Because suddenly being able to make incredibly powerful relics that only elves were thought to be able to make us very, very suspicious. Remember that time when we brought the Skaven dictionary? Algard's first reaction was to check if we weren't possessed, and we had to justify our source. Here it would be the same, but even worse.

(Also, really, the paranoia lasted like an update before the majority of the thread ran in the exact opposite direction in an effort to avoid metagaming, ironically resulting in Egrimm getting much less suspicion than, say, Johann did.)
Personally I wanted to keep him for other reasons. First, keep your enemy closer: if he's a cultist, I want him where we can watch him. In canon he did horrifying damages to the College's reputation. After all we're already looking for anything suspicious.

Secondly, if he's not yet a true cultist but hesitating, we can try making him stay on the Light Side.

Thirdly, if he's innocent I get to see a fun and interesting character on screen.
 
"And then they strip the Winds back out along the way."
No one seems to be talking about this, so I'm starting to think I'm misinterpreting it. Wouldn't filtering out the Winds from a stream of Dhar(-laced) magic be a huge deal?
I want you to know that this was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Cython option.

[X] Locals
[X] Orphans
I have voiced my interest in having a center of education form around the Library and I think these are the most likely seeds for that. I'm not expecting much to happen on that front soon, I'd be fine with it happening 'after the quest', but I still want to have this as a start.
[X] The We
On the other hand ... Spider Librarians
 
It seems pretty likely to me that Cython will recruit their staff from K8Ps locals, simply as it makes the most sense availability and convenience wise. Plus even if they don't whoever they do get I don't think is going to be commuting across the continent for their workday. So will end up living and making connections there anyway.

So while it might not be as fast a integration of the library as the Locals vote, I think between that, and the fact that as long as the library is useful (Which I'm confident it will be) people are going to make use of it and it will become a part of the ecosystem regardless. That it will end up pretty close integration wise in the end despite taking a while longer.
Cython's recruitment strategy is likely not going to have convenience and availability as major criteria, instead if will be loyalty (to Cython) and ability to defend Cythons hoard.
MAny of those may be found among local populace, but as long as Belegar is footing the bill, i can see Cython being very patient in making sure they get the absolute best (for them) staff possible.

I feel you're being pretty deliberately obtuse here.
"well we can just use force" is not a great success strategy against something older than humanity.
If Cython wants to leave, they can, and i would not doubt their ability to do so with any and all books they want.
I would not consider it likely, as long as people are willing to keep bringing them more wealth in the form of books, but if they so choose, they will be gone.
 
Maybe, but I find it odd that people think Cython is sufficiently scared of an army coming after them that it will keep to any oaths sworn rather than just doing whatever it feels like.

This is what I mean by deliberately obtuse. That wasn't the argument I made.

"well we can just use force" is not a great success strategy against something older than humanity.

Again that wasn't the argument I made, force however is not something they're immune too, and claiming it is is wrong. They got that old by picking their fights. The claim they singlehandedly took out Skyre, is as accurate as the claim that Mathilde singlehandedly took out Waaagh Birdmuncha.
 
Don't forget weaponizing it. Sure, it would be something of a waste to use it like that given what we've learned it can do, but we want to fully understand what it can do.
The thing about weaponising it is that I don't think we'll learn anything about AV in the process, we'll just figure out how to use what we know to create the World's Most Expensive Bomb. It doesn't seem worth even putting to paper, never mind a galleon on testing.

True! I'm more excited about Power Stoning it since Enchantment's a thread suggestion, but we should do that too.
 
This is what I mean by deliberately obtuse. That wasn't the argument I made.



Again that wasn't the argument I made, force however is not something they're immune too, and claiming it is is wrong. They got that old by picking their fights. The claim they singlehandedly took out Skyre, is as accurate as the claim that Mathilde singlehandedly took out Waaagh Birdmuncha.
Er, Cython did single-fangedly take out Clan Skryre's army. In the big free-for-all, no other force attacked Skryre's army but Cython.
 
May I ask why, in the long term, it would be impossible for anyone to work in the library alongside the We?

In the long term, the candidates for any position in the We-run library would be between an added iteration of an effectively immortal hive-mind that knows everything about the library and can be in constant communication with every other librarian, or some guy who has none of that.

Oh cool. In canon only two Colleges have these and (iirc) the Hysh ones were actually only invented later in history by someone who within the Quest is now dead. Does that mean that there are actually many different devices akin to the Luminark (or at least 8+) and that the Luminark was mostly special due to going above and beyond in quality (compared to the previous go to Hysh battle altar)?

Canon implies that there's more Battle Altars than the two ones that models and rules were made for, probably to leave the door open to adding others if they wanted to later. By extension the general category of 'Battle Altars' would be an enchantment meant to be able to cast a Battle Magic spell several times in quick succession, and the complexity of such an enchantment results in something the size of a cart and powered by power stones or an Orb of Sorcery.

Jovi Sunscryer did not invent the Luminark, he just built one.

I don't ask you to invent it right now, but would Mathilde know the Ulgu one?

Yes.

Firstly powerstones: would it be possible to gather all the patriarchs at once when we reveal the orbs?

Probably not, since they're busy people. Alric is off searching for something impressive to do, and Paranoth is called the Wanderer for a reason.

Secondly the we: where would the we build their nest if they win? In the library itself or somewhere nearby?

Likely directly above or below it.

Would the we change to adapt to their... Job? As in would they for example, get smaller, more dexterous claws, less food intake?
Even if it is over a long timespan?

The Egglayers of the We have a fairly long life-cycle, especially now that they're on a Warpstone-free diet, so there's unlikely to be any kind of visible results of evolutionary pressures in any practical timespan.

Also how would Mathilde as head librarian integrate into the library we? Would they see her as part of it? Or as a outside influence? Would the we accept changes to initial rules of their library after some time?

It would see her the same as the current We does, because it will start off as pretty much an identical being to the current We - a particularly many-echo not-We-other-We that is part of the same Karak-We as them, who offers strange new forms of hunting and sustains the current many-food. It is very likely to become more flexible as its understanding grows.

I worry that this might functionally be "trying to have ogre + eat onion", but if Local/Orphan/We or other such group win, will we be able to get a small core of professionals to assist or at least act as trainers?

Mathilde will organize teachers if the option that wins requires them.

No one seems to be talking about this, so I'm starting to think I'm misinterpreting it. Wouldn't filtering out the Winds from a stream of Dhar(-laced) magic be a huge deal?

The stream is a core of Dhar being orbited by varying numbers of Winds. The Winds never actually touch the Dhar.
 
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Er, Cython did single-fangedly take out Clan Skryre's army. In the big free-for-all, no other force attacked Skryre's army but Cython.

Mathilde and Johann shattered Skyre's internal unity and the gas released hit the majority of them. Cython cleaned up after that, which was very impressive. But a far cry from winning a straight fight against the Skyre forces in their normal condition.
 
Well, as we are talking of librarians leaving with books, let me offer a supportive argument towards my favorite librarian.

You want to know who is not going to leave taking books with them?
The We.
If The We is picked as a librarian, they will be the most dependable librarian imaginable, they will defend the library to death (or very close to), and they will never leave taking precious books with them.
Because they can't.
Ok, they could, but doing so would be incredibly risky because of their nature, The We is going to remain in the library until forced to leave, and they are going to value those books like they were their very life.

No other librarian is going to be so dedicated (well, some Verenans might be, but even then only some), so dependable, or so loyal to the institution, as The We.
 
Dwarfs have long memories, to 'just leave' would be to make an enemy of all of them for all time as an oathbreaker
and why would he care? this is the problem with a dragon, they dont really care.
The concern is that it will steal the entire library before leaving, which is a pretty different scenario as opposed to just flying off.
the dragon can warp space. i am fairly confident that he could pick up the book horde and leave if he wanted to.
 
Again that wasn't the argument I made, force however is not something they're immune too, and claiming it is is wrong. They got that old by picking their fights. The claim they singlehandedly took out SKyre, is as accurate as the claim that Mathilde singlehandedly took out Waaagh Birdmuncha.

Cython picked fights with pretty much every dark elf raider that sailed too close to his island, usually just for the sport of hunting the sea monsters that pulled their ships, and he actually did destroy clan skyre, that happened in quest.

Dwarfs have long memories, to 'just leave' would be to make an enemy of all of them for all time as an oathbreaker

Zhufbar has an entire section of their mountain blocked off because a Fire Dragon lives there. I think you are drastically underestimating just how powerful these things are.
 
Changing to
[X] Locals
We voted for Mathilde o be a Head Librarian. If we went with Cython we would be effectively giving that away. I'm pretty sure we can form some kind of Book Agreement with our Dragon friend later.
 
[X] The We
[X] Cult of Verena

I think in the end, I prefer not to leave that much influence over the Library in the hands of Cython. Cython is super cool, but I don't think it's worth the risks.

And, well, its competing with the We anyway and I heavily prefer the We over everything else. They're my favorite choice both in terms of practicality and in what I want to see the quest spend time on.
 
If Cython gets it into its head that it really wants to Carmen Sandiego the library, it doesn't seem like it would make a difference one way or the other if it was made librarian or not beforehand.
 
In turns of Training (AP)before 'they can actually do the job' and 'how long until we can open up the library' (Turns) (I'm not sure if it will be AP or just Turns as the cost @Boney?)


1: Cult of Verena, Runescribes Guild, Collegiate
This is their job, they are the ones that will be teaching Mathy. the Libary could open up the day they get their contract.

2: Locals, Halflings, Cython
not Libaraens per say, but Mathy should be able to find people among these groups that have had simpler jobs in storekeepers, quartermasters, bookkeepers etc etc... and apparently Cython ran a magic school in the sorcerer's islands, so way better than you would think a dragon would be. (tho logic may need time to overcome instinct when it comes to lending.). Bit of work but the library should open fairly soon after they get the contract.

3: Orphans, The We
Literally, will have to train them from the ground up. literally years. (but probably not quinquennial and hopefully not a decade... but this isn't them learning their 'numberin' they will need a full education.)
 
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