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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [HOUSE] Yes

[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
 
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[X][HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan Middle Ground
-[x] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[x] [REP] Heir (-1)
-[x] [FORM] Discreet (-1)
[x] Plan how many people can actually read elf anyways?
-[x] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[x] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[x] [FORM] Dedication (0)
[X] Plan Subtlety is for losers, but only at home
-[x] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
-[X] [REP] Head (-3)
-[X] [FORM] Shrines (+1)

I like these, but I'm not gonna be upset if Just The Heir wins either.

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Openly

I feel like there are a great deal of political obstacles in the way of anyone who wants to raise a fuss about the Hedgewise. I don't dislike the other two options either, though, so if I see strong arguments against this one, I might change it.

Honestly, there's no outcome to this vote that would really bother me, which makes me happy. Well, unless we somehow wind up rejecting the Hedgewise, but I doubt that'll happen.
 
K von Carstein said:
Wouldn't most people's opinion be « well, should have think more about the consequences, sucker »? Wouldn't it be bad for our reputation?
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Hianny said:
I would guess that the other Einor would then see us as untrustworthy and they wont trade or help us anymore. i had not even considered that the Einor is most likely are as fractured as humans and not banding together as tightly as dwarfs
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I'm not saying there's no downside to reneging, I'm saying that if there's a hidden catch that makes the deal so bad that it can be described as 'massively screwed us', then Mathilde can just not follow through and let everyone known that she considered the deal void because Tindomiel negotiated in bad faith. That's not even that unreasonable a thing to do.
 
Shane_357 said:
That's why we'd need to scour for information and any kind of evidence, but it could do a great deal of good for both the Hedgewise and the Colleges to be able to say 'actually Sigmar was okay with mages, that was you lying'. Like, incredible good, that would also synergise with WIZARD-EMPEROR MANFRED.
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It could also massively destabilise the Empire if not done carefully. If we do find proofs (if, which I doubt), I think it would be better to blackmail the Cult of Sigmar with them instead of immediately showing them.
 
[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
 
[x] Plan Subtlety is for losers, but only at home
- [x] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
- [x] [REP] Head (-3)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Secretly
 
Boney said:
I'm not saying there's no downside to reneging, I'm saying that if there's a hidden catch that makes the deal so bad that it can be described as 'massively screwed us', then Mathilde can just not follow through and let everyone known that she considered the deal void because Tindomiel negotiated in bad faith. That's not even that unreasonable a thing to do.
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Okay thank you for the explanation i still don't want to make a deal where i think they are getting much more out than they are willing to put in but knowing there still is an out makes striking a deal much more attractive
 
LadyLynn said:
I feel like there are a great deal of political obstacles in the way of anyone who wants to raise a fuss about the Hedgewise.
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What obstacles? Their shield right now is obscurity, them openly participating is going remove that obscurity and ring the dinner bell to other cults that they have some juicy secrets, and there doesn't seem to be much stopping them from whacking them until those secrets come out.
 
Heck, if adding the religious symbols would ruin the project, then House Tindomiel would probably drop that requirement themselves. They aren't unthinking idiots. Not much point to putting religious symbols on a paperweight, right?
 
[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
 
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Hianny said:
Okay thank you for the explanation i still don't want to make a deal where i think they are getting much more out than they are willing to put in but knowing there still is an out makes striking a deal much more attractive
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And if we find something bad, that was not maliciously hidden by Elves, we'll have to pay some hefty fines to renegotiate hiring, for example the Head of the House.
 
silvanknight said:
[X] [HOUSE] No

[x] [HOUSE] Yes
[x] Plan: Just the Heir
- [x] [SCOPE] Laurelorn (0)
- [x] [REP] Heir (-1)
- [x] [FORM] Shrines (+1)
[x] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
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You just added a vote to both "yes" and "no" for the House, which doesn't actually do anything.

If your intent was to be fine with either No or Just The Heir winning, but nothing else, I think removing the Yes vote would serve your interests best?

EDIT: Zlorp. Ninja'd.
 
Boney said:
The deal would mean that when a Waystone is ready to be built, then Tindomiel have the opportunity to supply the person that will do the magical side of things. If they can't or won't, then they've had their first refusal and now anyone else can do it instead. The point of first refusal is that they won't be able to bottleneck a hypothetical future Waystone rollout.
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Got it, I misunderstood. I blame the headaches. In that case:

[X] [HOUSE] Yes

Bring em in. The odds that we actually get to the point of building new Waystones, I will remind everyone, are quite low, so we stand a good chance of not actually having to pay up.

[X] Plan Discretion Is The Watchword
-[X] [SCOPE] Empire, Bretonnia, and Kislev (+3)
-[X] [REP] Magical Theorist (-2)
-[X] [FORM] Discreet (-1)

If they can't bottleneck us, and the dedication is to accepted local gods, I don't see the downsides here. Still not a fan of making promises for dwarf territory, though. Just the heir isn't bad, but I am unconvinced of the heir's usefulness: if we're gonna do this at all, we should shoot for more.

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly

This seems best to me. Avoids awkward political issues with the other wizards in the project, and the religious angle is one I like.

(Also, I didn't mention before because headaches, but I loved this update's characterization and the development of the Hedgewise. The fact that the Father paid out is also very nice, though it would have been really shocking if Halétha weren't a Daughter. Given this information, I am currently inclined to thinking that Haleth isn't just a guise of hers, but rather her sister.)
 
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Boney said:
[ ] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
Aksel will join the Waystone Project as a representative from the Cult of Halétha.
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Now that I think of it, it could potentially lead to the Hedgewise being legalised under the fiction they're priests of Halétha, just like the Damsels and Ice Witches. Obviously that wouldn't happen overnight, but it's a step in the good direction.
 
picklepikkl said:
Just the heir isn't bad, but I am unconvinced of the heir's usefulness: if we're gonna do this at all, we should shoot for more.
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Ah, but think about it this way, we'd be recruiting the plucky young* heir of the noble house with a thirst to prove themselves. Just watch the shenanigans ensue!


*They're probably still centuries old, but you know.
 
[X] [HOUSE] No
everything about the entire interaction is screaming run far away from them so a very hard pass

[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly

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[x] Plan: Just the Heir
one that limit the damage the most
 
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[X] Plan Subtlety is for losers, but only at home
- [X] [SCOPE] The Empire (+2)
- [X] [REP] Head (-3)
- [X] [FORM] Shrines (+1)

This will cause the fun kinds of problems.

[X] [HOUSE] Yes
[X] [HEDGEWISE] Discreetly
 
Something to keep in mind is that these Hedgewise are literally directly under the authority of the Nordland EC, who more than anyone has an interest in trying to break up Laurelorn cooperation. It would be pretty trivial for him to unleash his ire on their village if he finds out they're involved.
 
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